Take a deep breath......exhale. Repeat. Everything is gonna be just fine.
X-Wing Direction
DOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM
J. J. Abrahms is going to create a disturbance in the force that implodes the entire galaxy rebooting the franchise into a single lenses flare.
I give you....
Age of...
Star Trek Warhammers
complete with lenses flare 
DOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM
J. J. Abrahms is going to create a disturbance in the force that implodes the entire galaxy rebooting the franchise into a single lenses flare.
I give you....
Age of...
Star Trek Warhammers
complete with lenses flare
He doesn't do lens flare any more. I think it was on Daily Show that he confided to Jon that, after JJ was told by his wife that there's too many **** lens flares he just had to stop adding them.
And yeah, this is a hurt thread taken to the extreme.
What's next?! Dogs and cats living together?
While you might see a Rogue One starter set, I suspect that only reason they released a 2nd damage deck was because they weren't happy with the first one.
One hopes that they got it right the 2nd time and we won't need to see another one for the foreseeable future.
Well, expect a new damage deck then around rogue ones release, because this new damage deck is terrible. People complained that it didn't do enough damage, now it does to much damage. I entirely blame the community for this mistake though, not FFG. RIP empire/FO. The new damage deck seems to be based around ships with multiple shields having more survivalbilty(AKA, Rebels/scum), and everything else (Majority of the empire's backbone, and the F/O ties as well ) exploding a whole lot sooner than maybe they should.
DOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM
J. J. Abrahms is going to create a disturbance in the force that implodes the entire galaxy rebooting the franchise into a single lenses flare.
I give you....
Age of...
Star Trek Warhammers
complete with lenses flare
But in the good news, there is no Jar Jar Binks! Sigmar the emperor of mankind imprisoned him with Slaneesh so that he could never again be released into canon. 
I wouldn't mind putting Jar Jar into a cannon...
DOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOM
J. J. Abrahms is going to create a disturbance in the force that implodes the entire galaxy rebooting the franchise into a single lenses flare.
I give you....
Age of...
Star Trek Warhammers
complete with lenses flare
But in the good news, there is no Jar Jar Binks! Sigmar the emperor of mankind imprisoned him with Slaneesh so that he could never again be released into canon.
Yeah but WH40K so it's instantly terrible.
I'd take ten Jar-Jar's running around naked in my room covered in K-Y slipping over each other and my floors instead of spending one minute hearing anything else about the Codex Astartes, Exterminatus, Orks, or any other WH40K [incredibly insulting word that is considered awful in every single culture across time and space]
whichmayverywelljustbejarjarbinks
I think the extra direction is because the intent is to eventually split the Resistance and First Order away from the Rebels and Empire respectively.
Did you...read the new rulebook that explicitly counters this?
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But in the good news, there is no Jar Jar Binks! Sigmar the emperor of mankind imprisoned him with Slaneesh so that he could never again be released into canon.
Yeah but WH40K so it's instantly terrible.
I'd take ten Jar-Jar's running around naked in my room covered in K-Y slipping over each other and my floors instead of spending one minute hearing anything else about the Codex Astartes, Exterminatus, Orks, or any other WH40K [incredibly insulting word that is considered awful in every single culture across time and space]
Kind of funny for you saying that because if the plot leaks for the new movie are to be true then JJ has been taking a narrative that has also been used by 40k especially with their Inquisitors!
Yeah sure, WH40K came up with inquisitors.
gr8 j0rb
Yeah sure, WH40K came up with inquisitors.
gr8 j0rb
I didn't say 40k came up with it, I just said that it was a narrative that they also used. we all know the Inquisition were invented by the Spanish and they hunt humans who supposedly had supernatural abilities.
Though you don't have to like 40K, I mean who like GW anymore? But you do have to admit there is a bit of convergence between the two narratives.
Did you...read the new rulebook that explicitly counters this?I think the extra direction is because the intent is to eventually split the Resistance and First Order away from the Rebels and Empire respectively.
Yes. And IMO once the roll call for the new sub-factions has improved, that will change.
Yeah sure, WH40K came up with inquisitors.
gr8 j0rb
I didn't say 40k came up with it, I just said that it was a narrative that they also used. we all know the Inquisition were invented by the Spanish and they hunt humans who supposedly had supernatural abilities.
Though you don't have to like 40K, I mean who like GW anymore? But you do have to admit there is a bit of convergence between the two narratives.
I... Do? The Inquisitors in Star Wars were created for the sole purpose of finding and eliminating or indoctrinating Force Sensitives- (A concept I hear is now defunct) in order to keep The Jedi Order from coming up again.
That's... Just sort of what Inquisitions do. Across all media. Find something that they do not like and perceive as a danger, and brutally, swiftly stamp it out wherever possible.
No, I really don't have to admit any similarity to WH40K, because that's the very definition of an Inquisitor.
Happy to dish it out.
It is about the Galactic Civil war.
And to think the GCW ended at Endor is and always has been hilariously wrong.See: Heir to The Empire
It is about the Galactic Civil war.
And to think the GCW ended at Endor is and always has been hilariously wrong.See: Heir to The Empire
Disagree, superfan.
New Republic versus Imperial Remnant
What's next? A "Rogue One" starter set with a different box and different damage deck? Maybe even different templates! Why not!
The templates are the functionally same, just with slightly altered appearances (segnors and tallon rolls). The damage deck update's something that's been requested for years, and exists to remove junk crits (or even advantageous ones in the form of Damaged Cockpit).
What's next? A "Rogue One" starter set with a different box and different damage deck? Maybe even different templates! Why not!
The templates are the functionally same, just with slightly altered appearances (segnors and tallon rolls). The damage deck update's something that's been requested for years, and exists to remove junk crits (or even advantageous ones in the form of Damaged Cockpit).
The templates are the same...so far.
Changing the damage deck is at least as fundamental a change, in my view.
Did you...read the new rulebook that explicitly counters this?I think the extra direction is because the intent is to eventually split the Resistance and First Order away from the Rebels and Empire respectively.
Yes. And IMO once the roll call for the new sub-factions has improved, that will change.
...Though you don't have to like 40K, I mean who like GW anymore?
I do. Honest.
They still make models that are an absolute pleasure to build and paint.
Even if their rulebooks kinda suck.
Cheers
Baaa
It's true, their models are fun. I enjoy the space marine Aesthetic.
Waiting on buying more of their stuff until they get their stuff together RE rules though.
I am trying to understand the new environment this game now presents for us.
It doesn't present a new environment. It added two new ships--something that's been done before with no difficulty. It changed the rules slightly, to clarify a number of murky points and work out some kinks in the original. And it introduced a new damage deck, because the developers were unhappy with the existing one: it had too many crits whose effects were drastically inconsistent depending on what kind of ship/build received them.
Enter Episode VII. A new starter set. New damage deck. New asteroids. New maneuver types. New packaging. New factions. Specific call out for the movie itself. What? The TIE Bomber did not have an "Empire Strikes Back" logo on it. Why didn't they just add Ep.7 to the well from which they draw their ideas? And the new factions...they needn't have stuck to 'Resistance' and 'First Order'. Just like ignoring 'New Republic' they could have kept 'Rebel' and 'Imperial'.
If the TIE Bomber had been released while one of the largest entertainment companies in the world was sinking tens of millions of dollars of marketing for The Empire Strikes Back, it probably would have had that branding.
What's next? A "Rogue One" starter set with a different box and different damage deck? Maybe even different templates! Why not!
You meant that as a rhetorical question, but it has an obvious answer: because releasing a new damage deck every year, or releasing new templates that invalidate old ones, is going to frustrate players and drive them away from the game. Rebooting the damage deck once is something most players will understand, I think; doing it every year is going to be seen as a cynical move designed to literally force people to pay for new expansions if they want to stay in the game.
The new asteroids and damage deck really bother me the most. Those are big differences. Aren't they? To complete the confusion, they still sell the first starter set. WHAT?
It's not confusing at all. The replacement damage deck is new, but it's something FFG has talked about doing a couple of times (IIRC... right?) and for me it was pretty necessary. The rest of it--new obstacles, new maneuvers, new ships, new pilot cards, etc.--all has obvious precedents in the rest of the game's releases.
Having two starter sets is confusing only if you look at them as Version 1 and Version 2. Change your point of view slightly, and you'll see the new starter set is just another expansion for the same game. It's a very important expansion, but it's not a harbinger of some kind of epochal change in the game.
I don't like it. I think whole thing is annoying. Now we have two independent game lines... Who knows what will be released going forward, or what it's packaging will look like and what game it will work with.
We really don't have two independent game lines. Whatever's released going forward, it will work with the X-wing Minis game, and there's only one of those.
On top of it all, some folks feel FFG wanted to steadfastly refuse to include prequel stuff, probably for similar reasons (new factions, etc). But the fact we haven't seen prequel ships is made even stranger since we now have stuff from 30 years after Return of the Jedi.
I won't deal with this in detail, but the time span isn't the problem. It's that the factions don't clearly map to the existing game, and that one side has a lot more diversity in ships than the other, and that Disney is clearly not terribly interested in continuing to market toward the prequels, and (it's rumored, at least) the company leadership at FFG doesn't really care for the prequels.
Edited by Vorpal Sword(Broke this into two posts, because why not? Also it hit the cap on quote blocks.)
For Fantasy Flight to ignore this chance to re-launch their very successful game under the new era about to be presented would simply be bad business.
Exactly. It's about leveraging Disney's marketing budget to find some new customers. Not finding some products that can take advantage of the Force Awakens brand would be leaving money on the table, from FFG's perspective.
They probably had no real choice Disney wants tfa stuff out there and ffg needs the license, it would of been preferable to divide the era's but it'll be a long time before there's enough new ships to make that viable.
The point has been made, but deserves to be made again: there's no evidence Disney coerced FFG into anything, and every reason to suspect that no coercion was necessary. I'm trying to imagine the conversation:
DISNEY EXEC: Hey, small tabletop game manufacturer! We're spending an unimaginably large pile of money to convince people to buy Star Wars stuff. Would you like to take advantage of that?
FFG EXEC: No! We're a proudly independent licensee, even if you are talking about spending more on marketing in the next year than the net worth of our entire business, and we'd rather spit on you than take your filthy mouse money!
It's just not working for me.
Well, expect a new damage deck then around rogue ones release, because this new damage deck is terrible. People complained that it didn't do enough damage, now it does to much damage. I entirely blame the community for this mistake though, not FFG. RIP empire/FO. The new damage deck seems to be based around ships with multiple shields having more survivalbilty(AKA, Rebels/scum), and everything else (Majority of the empire's backbone, and the F/O ties as well ) exploding a whole lot sooner than maybe they should.
I tried to write a serious response to this, but I just keep reading it and making this face: 
The new damage deck is fine.
More draconian business practices.
The new damage deck is REQUIRED on 1/1/16. So everyone that doesn't want to buy a new core set, stuff it up your piehole.
"Draconian." "FFG." *gigglesnort*