Tie Fighters are reduced to the max. Thers not even living support systems. A Tie cannot land without a proper hanger. Do they have landing gears? X-Wings do.

Ties rely to have a base nearby. Its just a ball with an engine and laser cannons.

You can't compare them with X-Wings or the other rebel and civilian craft, which of course can land everywhere.

Exactly where are you getting any of that info from? There's nothing in canon that claims any of that.

I'm pretty sure that tie fighters were landed in the same way as Rebels in Force Unleashed.

Tie Fighters are reduced to the max. Thers not even living support systems. A Tie cannot land without a proper hanger. Do they have landing gears? X-Wings do.

Ties rely to have a base nearby. Its just a ball with an engine and laser cannons.

You can't compare them with X-Wings or the other rebel and civilian craft, which of course can land everywhere.

Exactly where are you getting any of that info from? There's nothing in canon that claims any of that.

I'm pretty sure that tie fighters were landed in the same way as Rebels in Force Unleashed.

Do you SEE landing gears on a Tie fighter?

How did your figure came into the cockit? Magically with a keystroke? Is this canon?

Tie Fighters are reduced to the max. Thers not even living support systems. A Tie cannot land without a proper hanger. Do they have landing gears? X-Wings do.

Ties rely to have a base nearby. Its just a ball with an engine and laser cannons.

You can't compare them with X-Wings or the other rebel and civilian craft, which of course can land everywhere.

Exactly where are you getting any of that info from? There's nothing in canon that claims any of that.

I'm pretty sure that tie fighters were landed in the same way as Rebels in Force Unleashed.

Actually to be fair most of that is canon.

Basic TIE's are basic. They for the most part excluding the phantom do not have life support systems. (the canonicity of this is now disputed due to rebels but previously was canon).

TIE's with the exception of the phantom do not have landing gear. Which is also true, they can land on their wings, and the Lothal TIE's are stubbier to facilitate this more.

In TIE Fighter it was indicated tractor beams were needed to enter the hanger. This could be explained away easily by the flight deck using the tractor beams as a manner of traffic control.

However, Repulsor lifts on TIE's is a canonically proven source with Rebels and later on TFA. That would replace landing gear where appropriate facilities were available.

Internet.clerks. jeez.

Canon is important, especially to those game groups who play narrative/historical.

Nah, as long as that group is on the same page thats fine. Get into the deeper Middle-earth lore by Tolkien, nothing is ever set in stone. Storys and their settings are always in flux. One day Celeborn has never left Middle-earth befor meeting Galadriel, another day he has been born as a Teleri in Valinor. Sometimes they have a son who is dead, sometimes they don't.

Continuity is highly overrated.

Tie Fighters are reduced to the max. Thers not even living support systems. A Tie cannot land without a proper hanger. Do they have landing gears? X-Wings do.

Ties rely to have a base nearby. Its just a ball with an engine and laser cannons.

You can't compare them with X-Wings or the other rebel and civilian craft, which of course can land everywhere.

Exactly where are you getting any of that info from? There's nothing in canon that claims any of that.

I'm pretty sure that tie fighters were landed in the same way as Rebels in Force Unleashed.

Actually to be fair most of that is canon.

Basic TIE's are basic. They for the most part excluding the phantom do not have life support systems. (the canonicity of this is now disputed due to rebels but previously was canon).

TIE's with the exception of the phantom do not have landing gear. Which is also true, they can land on their wings, and the Lothal TIE's are stubbier to facilitate this more.

In TIE Fighter it was indicated tractor beams were needed to enter the hanger. This could be explained away easily by the flight deck using the tractor beams as a manner of traffic control.

However, Repulsor lifts on TIE's is a canonically proven source with Rebels and later on TFA. That would replace landing gear where appropriate facilities were available.

Thats all true.

Ties could land on its solar collectors, but once they did, they end up stranded. Especially if the pilot leaves the cockpit. Do you see a ladder? How should the pilot enter the cockpit without proper hangar equipment?

The repulsors are canon after disneyfication. And disneyfication is the topic. Isnt it?

I'm ok with the thought that the FO Ties have repulsors ... but the Empire Ties? NAH! They screwed it up!

However, Repulsor lifts on TIE's is a canonically proven source with Rebels and later on TFA.

This is why canon is important. Regardless of what TIE's had in the OT, or EU. They clearly now can both land and have Repulsor lift tech. The whole point canon after all is so we're all on the same page. If someone wants to reject the new canon, they quite simply can not get involved in reasonable discussion about things.

That said, TIE's always had to have Repulsor lift, or else there is no way they could function in an atmosphere. If you show that there was never a single case of a TIE being used that way, then and only then would there be any validity to the argument.

But seeing how we have examples of that, under the old canon, such as TFU, then clearly that argument falls apart. TIE's with that tech existed prior to Disney buying Star Wars.

Um, a small descent cable can be lowered from a recessed hatch. No need for a bulky ladder.

Comics have been landing TIEs on their wings for many decades. I don't like that approach, since TIEs in atmospheres are not pleasing to me (even TESB did it) but the overwhelming evidence is there.

You know, I started to respond to a bunch of this, but.....I just don't care that much. I don't really care if a Tie Fighter has to use repulsors to land or not. I feel like the discussion is breaking down like something at a Trekkie convention.

Thats all true.

Ties could land on its solar collectors, but once they did, they end up stranded

When did that happen in Episode VI V or VI ?

The repulsors are canon after disneyfication.

That's the whole point. That is not a true statement. Because they had them in TFU and Battlegrounds. They are also listed as having them in The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels which was published in 2003, which is as canon as any other tech book.

So you are wrong, period. TIE Fighters have had Repulsor Lift tech long before Disney was involved.

There's no point arguing with people that want to hate something. They will hate it regardless.

Hate leads to suffering though so it's on them.

I think the thing people that don't like the new Star Wars stuff need to remember is that Star Wars was never intended to be a fleshed out sci fi universe it was meant to be a Fable of a hero against oppression or something.

It was space wizards doing magic and specing out the details of how stuff works is not the spirit it was intended in.

What I don't get also is the Disney hate? Disney are Fraking great they make excellent films and have made the awesomeness film franchise ever in the MCU

I think Star Wars is in far better hands with Disney that it is with Lucas. What is the problem? Why does everyone want to hate?

However, Repulsor lifts on TIE's is a canonically proven source with Rebels and later on TFA.

This is why canon is important. Regardless of what TIE's had in the OT, or EU. They clearly now can both land and have Repulsor lift tech. The whole point canon after all is so we're all on the same page. If someone wants to reject the new canon, they quite simply can not get involved in reasonable discussion about things.

That said, TIE's always had to have Repulsor lift, or else there is no way they could function in an atmosphere. If you show that there was never a single case of a TIE being used that way, then and only then would there be any validity to the argument.

But seeing how we have examples of that, under the old canon, such as TFU, then clearly that argument falls apart. TIE's with that tech existed prior to Disney buying Star Wars.

You could also have TIEs that are only designated for space combat, that are stationed on Star Destroyers for example, where the repulsor lifts have not been installed. TIE Fighters used by planetary defense forces (like the one in Rebels) that would have to operate in atmosphere would still have them.

In that case both of you are right. The TIEs we see in the OT don't need repulsors and don't have them, while it is still clear that TIEs with repulsor lifts have to exist to keep the Empire running.

Tie Fighters are reduced to the max. Thers not even living support systems. A Tie cannot land without a proper hanger. Do they have landing gears? X-Wings do.

Ties rely to have a base nearby. Its just a ball with an engine and laser cannons.

You can't compare them with X-Wings or the other rebel and civilian craft, which of course can land everywhere.

Exactly where are you getting any of that info from? There's nothing in canon that claims any of that.

I'm pretty sure that tie fighters were landed in the same way as Rebels in Force Unleashed.

Actually to be fair most of that is canon.

Basic TIE's are basic. They for the most part excluding the phantom do not have life support systems. (the canonicity of this is now disputed due to rebels but previously was canon).

TIE's with the exception of the phantom do not have landing gear. Which is also true, they can land on their wings, and the Lothal TIE's are stubbier to facilitate this more.

In TIE Fighter it was indicated tractor beams were needed to enter the hanger. This could be explained away easily by the flight deck using the tractor beams as a manner of traffic control.

However, Repulsor lifts on TIE's is a canonically proven source with Rebels and later on TFA. That would replace landing gear where appropriate facilities were available.

Thats all true.

Ties could land on its solar collectors, but once they did, they end up stranded. Especially if the pilot leaves the cockpit. Do you see a ladder? How should the pilot enter the cockpit without proper hangar equipment?

The repulsors are canon after disneyfication. And disneyfication is the topic. Isnt it?

I'm ok with the thought that the FO Ties have repulsors ... but the Empire Ties? NAH! They screwed it up!

There is a wonderful new invention called a ladder.

You could also have TIEs that are only designated for space combat, that are stationed on Star Destroyers for example, where the repulsor lifts have not been installed.

Tactically that's a bad idea. Because unless you have some portion of them equipped with it you have no ability to exert air superiority to support your troops. There are cases in the EU where Tie Fighters were used in atmosphere, and the only way they could do that is if they have repulsor lifts.

In that case both of you are right.

No we can't both be right, because he's claiming they didn't have it prior to Disney, and I've proved that his statement is untrue.

Tactically that's a bad idea. Because unless you have some portion of them equipped with it you have no ability to exert air superiority to support your troops. There are cases in the EU where Tie Fighters were used in atmosphere, and the only way they could do that is if they have repulsor lifts.

Pretty sure "Repulsor Lifts" aren't canon either really.

To me having never read any non-canon star wars the only thing i know about how tie fighters fly is that they go "mieeeeeeooowwww"

Thats all true.

Ties could land on its solar collectors, but once they did, they end up stranded

When did that happen in Episode VI V or VI ?

REBELS IS CANON DUDE.

Caps for exasperation. It happened in Rebels It's canon.

Thats all true.

Ties could land on its solar collectors, but once they did, they end up stranded

When did that happen in Episode VI V or VI ?

REBELS IS CANON DUDE.

Caps for exasperation. It happened in Rebels It's canon.

But they never ended up stranded =)

If the only thing you count as canon is the OT... Then you might as well bow out of this conversation, because you can't be involved in a rational discussion when you're not on the same page as everyone else.

Thats all true.

Ties could land on its solar collectors, but once they did, they end up stranded

When did that happen in Episode VI V or VI ?

REBELS IS CANON DUDE.

Caps for exasperation. It happened in Rebels It's canon.

But they never ended up stranded =)

Yeah exactly.

I know they can land I saw it in rebels. I thought I also saw it in A New Hope when i watched it the other day.

Ahh I mistook you.

While you never saw landing exactly, I am 99% certain you saw an imperial hanger deck with a TIE on it's struts.

If anyone wants to confirm/deny this I admit I may be wrong.

Edit: having reviewed shots of the DS2 hangar. I am wrong. Disregard.

For fun, the little stun energy slingshot could use tech similar to a bowcaster or those blue orb thingies Gungans like to use, since those are all canon too!

Ahh I mistook you.

While you never saw landing exactly, I am 99% certain you saw an imperial hanger deck with a TIE on it's struts.

If anyone wants to confirm/deny this I admit I may be wrong.

Edit: having reviewed shots of the DS2 hangar. I am wrong. Disregard.

I watched it the other day and I'm sure I saw it, becasue I remember thinking "ah now i don't think it's so silly in Rebels"

If Luke's crappy speeder back at the farm and those speeder bikes on Endor can 'park' while floating in the air then surely a huge TIE Fighter, being many times as big as those vehicles can have enough space for the equipment necessary for whatever canon anti-gravity tech that seems to be universal in all vehicles and droids that don't have obvious treads, wheels or other conventional locomotive means. So even if the 'wings' on the TIEs aren't structurally sound enough to supports the crafts weight you can postulate that the antigravity is at least supporting the weight (even when the TIE is 'turned off') enough for he ship to rest on the ground without harm.

And please don't tell me they didn't have cup holders, because where would the pilots keep their coffee cups?! It's not they have a built in coffee maker like those Rebels and their luxury X-wings.

I think I'm going to be done with this thread.

There is nothing that Disney has done or could do to Star Wars that is any more outlandish than what the EU already has done. I mean we do have Sith Zombies after all...

Death troopers! (I totes used sith zombies in a D20 game)

I really can't find an OT example of a strut landed TIE. Been looking last 10 minutes or so, Rebels definitely, there are a few examples.