Even I'll admit that was f***ing stupid.

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To answer your question yes.

I have invested over $3000 in x wing to this point. Its starting to loose its luster a bit to me. Is it disney and the non stop money train? 70% yes I think.

I might get one ship of each in future and just keep the bulk of the ships in plano boxes in the closet. The main core and a few minis can join my hundreds of board games on the shelf.

It has jumped the shark to an extent. I think thats fair.

It... Hasn't jumped the shark at all.

No, when it jumps the shark, there will be a unanimous agreement.

JJ's Star Trek movies involve fun (but frequently stupid) action sequences stitched together by some of the worst plotting outside of Michael Bay flick. But that terrible plotting is entirely down to JJ's friends and collaborators being incompetent hacks who have failed upward throughout their careers. Good news: JJ's friends and collaborators aren't working on Star Wars, so that's not going to be a problem this time. It might still have issues, but nothing like the sort of issues that come along when Orci and Kurtzman work on your film.

(only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick).

Someone hasn't seen Punisher: War Zone

Uh, which is good. Don't see it. Don't ever see it.

FYI, Orci and Kurtzman were involved with Revenge of the Fallen. So, yeah...

Yeah the major problems with JJ's Trek films were in the writing. I don't see how horrible writing translates as making the franchise more accessible either.

They turned Kirk into a stereotypical high school jock who thinks he can get away with anything, tricks people he's pretending to care about into helping him do things which can get them into major trouble if their role in his scheme is discovered, and expects others to lie in their reports to cover up his decisions then throws a temper tantrum if they don't do as get expected.

And they turned Khan into a bad comic villain. And what were they smoking when they thought

Khan's blood being able to revive the dead

was a good idea?

Even I'll admit that was f***ing stupid.

In a way the latest star trek movies tried to copy video games. The last TNG movie reminded me a lot of HALO. And with the last movie with the whole nothing is permanent and the story is re-writable and people come back from the dead sounds a lot like the story of Wow only dealing with Space and Aliens and not with Magic and Demons.

I mean Kirk respawns, just like a player in an MMORPG.

There's reasons why making a movie exactly like a game, even one based off of a game is rarely a good idea. Making a storyline which has nothing to do with a game just like a game is crazy.

At this point I think time will tell. To me wave 7 was about addressing the most common complaint - ordnance was not not used.

Wave 8 is clearly the rebels wave, but also tacked on TFA - which does seem like it would be disney mandated and I could understand cynicism there.

The real question is what will wave 9 give us?

Will it be a marketing push for TFA? Will it be another loveletter to the EU? To the X-wing quadrilogy? Will it be Aces Re-hashes?

None of us know, and that's really exciting.

I really think it's going to be more of the yet unknown ships seen in the new movies released. After that we might get a scum huge ship. Everything that goes beyond that... I really don't know. If they really only dig in the new teilogy we would probably need to wait very long between waves since they can't release movies in such a quick succession than FFG releases waves!

Just remembered, new movie trailer, TIE is hovering across the hanger and shooting at everyone like a helicopter. I will assume that Finn did not get help from the tractor beams during his escape.

Maybe a mysterious brown-robed figure somehow managed to locate the tractor beams and shut them off, before sacrificing himself so Finn could escape...

Oh my freakin' god guys.

Are you SERIOUSLY arguing about whether or not TIE Fighters have Repulsorlifts?

Are you freaking serious?

I'm still out of likes, but I REALLY HAVE TO COMMENT ON THIS!

I AGREE WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENT 100%

Also, does anyone else think "you may have some of a point" sounds a bit insulting?

Wouldn't have said it if I didn't... Bleh, will read through this thread more thoroughly later.

While the tractor beam statement I suspect is also true, that's used more for emergency landing/correcting hot landings., TIEs have been shown to have repulsor lifts in the first two battlefront games, TFU1+2, Jedi knight (I will wait while you play through it, it's like on the 2nd cutscene or something). soo, yeah. Can we just completely end the TIE's repulsor lift argument right now please? Too many sources to continue an argument against it, k?

Very enjoyable read. I just really wish people would stop with the "It was never canon!" junk.

It doesn't matter if it was or wasn't canon, what matters is that it is no longer canon.

Can we just completely end the TIE's repulsor lift argument right now please?

It's only one person who is trying to make that claim and his arguments are so transparently BS that I can't take it seriously. It's clearly just trying to justify his dislike of the new canon, even if it means ignoring the old canon to do so.

In a way, it was inevitable, I suppose, that we run out of ships - nostalgia isn't an infinite store. Now, I'm not a curmudgeon or a luddite by any stretch. I fully embrace all new releases and constant change in the meta, which keeps the game fresh and new. I like the new/old T-70 and the F/O TIE, and I love my BB8 Sphero droid. But I can't help feeling a little bit cynical on how Disney is so mechanically and ruthlessly pushing their new range of Star Wars toys on us and how naive we must be (self included) if we're just gobbling it up- all before the film has even been released.

But... if Disney is making new movies, that means new ships, and thus more X-Wing Miniatures, right? I like the new ships so far. The only problem I have is that I would like to see some crazy new ships instead of only updates of the OT ships.

Unless they suck, and then I don't want to see them.

Shouldn't a device of such an importance like a repulsor lift be mentioned in at least one of the many blueprints or technical data slates and ship databases around?

I havn't found a single one.

Mark it on this blueprints, please and make it canon.

We still on this?

*hums you lift me up where we belong, where the x-wings fly, over a hov'ring TIE.

Is that source and more canon from any of the many technical manuals or appearances which show a TIE to have repulsorlifts, including a recent trailer which is disney canon, and including star wars rebels which is disney canon (3rd episode season 1 if i recall)

If no, this debate truly does not need to continue. Sorry dude but... Rebels is moar canon, and even that has it.

Even ignorring canon, including repulsors just makes sense.

I forget, did the whole Frenzy is red, Rumble is blue argument start about Rebels or about the new movies?

Internet.clerks. jeez.

Internet.clerks. jeez.

Canon is important, especially to those game groups who play narrative/historical.

We still on this?

*hums you lift me up where we belong, where the x-wings fly, over a hov'ring TIE.

The 80's pop band the Thompson Twins were Star Wars fans.

That song was about TIE Fighter repulsorlifts.

True story.

Internet.clerks. jeez.

Canon is important, especially to those game groups who play narrative/historical.

Right! We don't just mindlessly toss dice.

I don't obsess over Star Wars as a full universe with a set in stone everything.

So ... putting the disney Ties aside,

what is this about this laser sling which is attached to the arm of that small rebel scum boy?

what is this about this laser sling which is attached to the arm of that small rebel scum boy?

It's no more far fetched then a lightsaber is. It would take the same amount of techobable to explain it that we've used to explain how lightsabers work.

it's more of this little stun launcher thing. I can kinda see it as a cheap civvie weapon for knocking back wamp rats. Don't have a problem with it.

Do we need detailed schematics to know that an F-22 has wheels? No. Why? Because you can see them in use in photos and videos.

We have now seen repulsors in use on a TIE Fighter (just as we saw them in use on the Falcon and Rebel starfighters back in Ep. 4). How is this a debate? Are people literally arguing that making logical inferences based on available information is wrong and/or stupid?

Tie Fighters are reduced to the max. Thers not even living support systems. A Tie cannot land without a proper hanger. Do they have landing gears? X-Wings do.

Ties rely to have a base nearby. Its just a ball with an engine and laser cannons.

You can't compare them with X-Wings or the other rebel and civilian craft, which of course can land everywhere.