This touches on my one complaint so far. No one has seen Episode VII yet. No one knows if it is any good or not, but already everyone is lapping it up and saying how excited they are to spend money on the new products. Personally, whether I am excited or not by the T-70 and the TIE/FO will be entirely down to whether the film is actually any good or if it's just another Jar Jar Binks atrocity. My sincere hope is that it will be brilliant, but for now I'm not going to get excited, nor am I going to buy any products from the film until I've seen it. The majority of Waves 1-6 are ships and pilots I knew and grew up knowing, so I wanted them as soon as they were announced. Any Episode VII products just don't have that appeal... yet. Similarly, Rebels TV show ships will probably never appeal to me as I think the show is dire.

I guess some people are here purely for the game, with the playing pieces and pilots just being points and abilities. For me though, the whole reason I play this game, is because it's Star Wars and it's the Star Wars I grew up with.

My willingness to buy these products mostly stems from the fact that I like the look of the ships. And its not like there are tons of named characters in the new stuff that I do or don't like. At this point they are selling us the look, not the story. All we have is Poe so far. And aside from the two expansions I doubt we'll see more ships before the film releases. I also don't like Rebels much at all, but TFA will have to be pretty bad to be less acceptable than any of the prequels.

I know a lot ppl that loved Star Trek until that point.

I love Star Trek, I continue to love Star Trek. I am also able to separate the JJ movies from DS9 or TNG or TOS, and appreciate them for what they are, and not compare them to the other movies or TV shows.

Saying that JJ ruined Trek, is like saying the EU ruined Star Wars... The old trek is still there and hasn't gone anywhere.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

This pretty much invalidates every argument you can make about Star Trek... To try and actually claim that it's not Star Trek because of over acting? Have you ever watched Star Trek?

This.

And every problem can be solved with the main deflector dish...

The JJ Star Trek actually makes it watchable to people that don't have a huge interest in Star Trek, and that's a lot healthier for a franchise than catering to a few fanboys.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

I have to disagree, overacting is most definitely Star Trek, don't forget, the king of overacting and dramatic pauses William Shatner set the tone on the original series

I know a lot ppl that loved Star Trek until that point.

I love Star Trek, I continue to love Star Trek. I am also able to separate the JJ movies from DS9 or TNG or TOS, and appreciate them for what they are, and not compare them to the other movies or TV shows.

Saying that JJ ruined Trek, is like saying the EU ruined Star Wars... The old trek is still there and hasn't gone anywhere.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

This pretty much invalidates every argument you can make about Star Trek... To try and actually claim that it's not Star Trek because of over acting? Have you ever watched Star Trek?

This.

And every problem can be solved with the main deflector dish...

The JJ Star Trek actually makes it watchable to people that don't have a huge interest in Star Trek, and that's a lot healthier for a franchise than catering to a few fanboys.

Don't forget reversing the polarity of things, or is that only next generation

Ah 3rd ed WFB and rogue trader were really intended to be played with a GM and not competitively. If you play it as 2000 point head to head it can fall over if either player is a d**k.

Dungeonquest was a GW licence of a swedish game called 'drak borgen' (dragons tower i think) and its ace, your chances of surviving a game are about 16 per cent, the board is random every time... i think FFG make a licensed edition now.

edit: yes they do.. if you buy one game in your life, buy this. Very good fun, takes about an hour tops for a game and very easy to get 'non gamers' into. In my final year at uni i shared a house with six girls, none of them gamers or geek types and they would happily play this several times a week.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/dungeonquest-revised-edition/

No wonder you stayed on to do a PhD.

Cheers

Baaa

Two Words + an acronym, Force Friday & FLGS.

Notice how those two don't come together. I am with you on the cynicisim not only for the movies but for X-wing as a whole.

Now X-wing came out a long time after the prequels were complete to the regret and relief of the rest of the fans. Now prior to X-wing many Star Wars games tried to encompass the entirety of Star Wars cannon into their games where you had Mandalorians from KOTOR to the Yuzzahn Vong from the EU books. X-wing decided to ignore the rest of the cannon and focus on the most popular aspect of Star Wars, the movies.

Now people say that if the new movies sucked it won't affect the game. However remember the resistance (no pun intended) put up for anyone that suggested ships from the prequel movies? That resistance is still there, so the assumption that bad movies won't have an effect on the marketability of the table top game is a little, preposterous.

At this point I think time will tell. To me wave 7 was about addressing the most common complaint - ordnance was not not used.

Wave 8 is clearly the rebels wave, but also tacked on TFA - which does seem like it would be disney mandated and I could understand cynicism there.

The real question is what will wave 9 give us?

Will it be a marketing push for TFA? Will it be another loveletter to the EU? To the X-wing quadrilogy? Will it be Aces Re-hashes?

None of us know, and that's really exciting.

Wave 7 didn't really addressed the missile/torpedo secondary weapons and bomber issue that much. It was more like the wave of the turret.

I know a lot ppl that loved Star Trek until that point.

I love Star Trek, I continue to love Star Trek. I am also able to separate the JJ movies from DS9 or TNG or TOS, and appreciate them for what they are, and not compare them to the other movies or TV shows.

Saying that JJ ruined Trek, is like saying the EU ruined Star Wars... The old trek is still there and hasn't gone anywhere.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

This pretty much invalidates every argument you can make about Star Trek... To try and actually claim that it's not Star Trek because of over acting? Have you ever watched Star Trek?

This.

And every problem can be solved with the main deflector dish...

The JJ Star Trek actually makes it watchable to people that don't have a huge interest in Star Trek, and that's a lot healthier for a franchise than catering to a few fanboys.

JJ Star Trek actually got me to like and love star trek (and gave me the impetus to watch old Trek and actually appreciate it) before that I just couldnt get into it or the characters, the movie made my star wars fanboy mind notice and it drew into giving the old stuff a try, and a new appreciation of hating wesley crusher. Since JJ has even said he was not a huge Trek fan and instead a huge Star Wars fan, I expect nothing but awesome from this film

JJ did not make the scripts for either trek films or for TFA.

That's like saying Michael Bay did not make the script for any of the Transformer films or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

So here is my question, if it sucked, who is to blame? Lucas?

JJ did not make the scripts for either trek films or for TFA.

That's like saying Michael Bay did not make the script for any of the Transformer films or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

So here is my question, if it sucked, who is to blame? Lucas?

It's always worth blaming Lucas if a film sucks. Unless, of course, you can blame Uwe Boll.

No, OP. No I'm not. Partially because I have enough things to complain and worry about, and XWMG does not need to be one of those things.

A short history of X-Wing:

First FFG released the 2 most recognizable fighters from A New Hope. Then they released the other fighters from Ep4.

The next 2 Waves saw them introduce every fighter and Falcon sized ship from Episodes 4, 5, and 6. They ran out of those, so they threw in an EU ship that people were fond of.

Waves 4, 5, and 6 featured 1 canon ship (the Z-95), and basically every EU ship in roughly decending order of popularity.

Wave 7 had the K-Wing for the love of all that's holy. They basically ran out of ships.

Fortunately for FFG and us, Disney had stepped up and brought Star Wars back. Yes, they killed Clone Wars, but they left it in the canon. They also gave us Rebels.

Rebels is amazing. It's basically everything Star Wars should be. I'm incredibly excited for Wave 8, because I'll get to play with the Ghost.

I actually have very low expectations for Episode 7. But who cares if it's good or not? I've got Rebels. I've got a light saber that is also a blaster. A freighter that is also a carrier! Evil Sith lords who are terrible monsters from the deepest ID of humanity's darkest dreams. And silly stormtrooper shenanigans.

X-Wing, before anything else, is a love letter to Star Wars. They have done a fantastic job at grabbing whatever source material is around and making wonderful thematic game pieces. They'll keep doing that.

And Disney? Disney is smart enough to let them.

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JJ's Star Trek movies involve fun (but frequently stupid) action sequences stitched together by some of the worst plotting outside of Michael Bay flick. But that terrible plotting is entirely down to JJ's friends and collaborators being incompetent hacks who have failed upward throughout their careers. Good news: JJ's friends and collaborators aren't working on Star Wars, so that's not going to be a problem this time. It might still have issues, but nothing like the sort of issues that come along when Orci and Kurtzman work on your film.

(only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick).

Someone hasn't seen Punisher: War Zone

Uh, which is good. Don't see it. Don't ever see it.

JJ's Star Trek movies involve fun (but frequently stupid) action sequences stitched together by some of the worst plotting outside of Michael Bay flick. But that terrible plotting is entirely down to JJ's friends and collaborators being incompetent hacks who have failed upward throughout their careers. Good news: JJ's friends and collaborators aren't working on Star Wars, so that's not going to be a problem this time. It might still have issues, but nothing like the sort of issues that come along when Orci and Kurtzman work on your film.

(only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick).

Someone hasn't seen Punisher: War Zone

Uh, which is good. Don't see it. Don't ever see it.

Off topic here, I would like to point out that while Punisher War Zone is terrible as a film, it is an almost literal translation of a comic book to a film, if you are familiar with the old Pre-MAX punisher line its pretty much everything that was in the comics down to the weird lighting and the bizarre dialogue. And keep in mind this was still a pre-disney take over film, so on a technical basis Disney has actually IMPROVED marvels film lines. Plus it has the side benefit of having marvel stuff at disneyland, which is groovy in my book (and a supposed construction of an Avengers HQ in the old innovations building!)

(only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick).

Someone hasn't seen Punisher: War Zone

Uh, which is good. Don't see it. Don't ever see it.

That wasn't from Marvel Studios either. It was so bad that Marvel got the rights to Punisher back afterwards

(only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick).

Someone hasn't seen Punisher: War Zone

Uh, which is good. Don't see it. Don't ever see it.

That wasn't from Marvel Studios either. It was so bad that Marvel got the rights to Punisher back afterwards

I suppose it's too much to hope that Fox will finally give up their deathgrip on the Fantastic Four and X-men after this, the way Sony and Universal have allowed the Hulk and Spiderman to join the MCU?

JJ's Star Trek movies involve fun (but frequently stupid) action sequences stitched together by some of the worst plotting outside of Michael Bay flick. But that terrible plotting is entirely down to JJ's friends and collaborators being incompetent hacks who have failed upward throughout their careers. Good news: JJ's friends and collaborators aren't working on Star Wars, so that's not going to be a problem this time. It might still have issues, but nothing like the sort of issues that come along when Orci and Kurtzman work on your film.

(only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick).

Someone hasn't seen Punisher: War Zone

Uh, which is good. Don't see it. Don't ever see it.

FYI, Orci and Kurtzman were involved with Revenge of the Fallen. So, yeah...

No.

I am older than most on this thread and remember well the marketing of all the Star Wars Merchandise everywhere. Right up until Disney bought the franchise Lucus Films made everything from toys and lunch boxes to bottle openers and toilet paper. Lucus was a merchandising ***** with no dignity but the man got filthy filthy rich in doing so and many of you bought those products without thought before.

Now as for the New movie they have many many people involved and working together on the making of this film, it's not a one man project like the way Lucus directed Episodes I-III. So I have faith and after all is said and done its success relies more on weather my son loves the film, not us older bitter geeks that will argue over the most random facts from the Star Wars universe.

As for FFG adding Rebels ships to X-Wing those are the ships I will use to get my son to learn the game with since he loves the show and is 8. He is FFG's future, not us old jaded guys who will hate anything that came after our golden childhood years when everything was better.

(We look at the OT's as if no other movies made could be that good but if you take your nostalgia away those movies were decent movies and great for their time but they were not the best produced films ever. It's our imagination and love for that universe and its magical feel that we love.)

Yeah ... maybe they figured out that there are more non-Trekkies.

Funny, I like his movies better than some (most) of the original timeline movies, some of which were utter drek.

Many people like movies whose story exist to connect special-fx scenes and is not of further importance.

Quite likely, yes. Not me though, my favourite movies rely on actual acting. That doesn't mean though that I can't thoroughly enjoy a big effects blockbuster.

But please, if it makes you feel better about yourself, by all means remain on your high horse.

Me sitting on a high horse? LOL!

I'm not the only one. I know a lot ppl that loved Star Trek until that point.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

But that is what actual blockbusters are made of.

I know.

Every scene has to be mind-blowing and fast and full of 3d effects. Its almost just a swirl ... and once the film is over and you try to think about the story - there is not much to think - in fact you forget the film very quickly - its not much in there that drains to your long-term memory - its just a blur.

Maybe I'm getting old

JJ did not make the scripts for either trek films or for TFA.

That's like saying Michael Bay did not make the script for any of the Transformer films or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

So here is my question, if it sucked, who is to blame? Lucas?

Bad cinematography and character direction can still be blamed on the director. Especially the cinematography.

I am older than most on this thread and remember well the marketing of all the Star Wars Merchandise everywhere. Right up until Disney bought the franchise Lucus Films made everything from toys and lunch boxes to bottle openers and toilet paper. Lucus was a merchandising ***** with no dignity but the man got filthy filthy rich in doing so and many of you bought those products without thought before.

Now as for the New movie they have many many people involved and working together on the making of this film, it's not a one man project like the way Lucus directed Episodes I-III. So I have faith and after all is said and done its success relies more on weather my son loves the film, not us older bitter geeks that will argue over the most random facts from the Star Wars universe.

As for FFG adding Rebels ships to X-Wing those are the ships I will use to get my son to learn the game with since he loves the show and is 8. He is FFG's future, not us old jaded guys who will hate anything that came after our golden childhood years when everything was better.

(We look at the OT's as if no other movies made could be that good but if you take your nostalgia away those movies were decent movies and great for their time but they were not the best produced films ever. It's our imagination and love for that universe and its magical feel that we love.)

Bolding what I am commenting on.

My son is only 5, in fact I often forget he is 4, and 5 end of october. He has a lightsaber, a painted black stormtrooper blaster, TIE Bombers and inquisitors TIE in 3/34 action fig scale. as well as many TIE pilots and Stormtroopers of various types.

As well as halo and SW lego.

I like to think i've brainwashed him well.

Up till now, i've not considered teaching him x-wing. Too young, but maybe you are onto something. Not with actual x-wing miniatures, but titanium series or something...

We all come from different backgrounds and play for different reasons. Because we're all... different. Why do so many posters assume we all share some kind of Killik hive mind? So, no. No, I don't agree.

Star Trek films are like windows releases. If the movie or release is good, the next will be terrible, if the previous was terrible, the next will be good.

Star Trek TNG and DS9 were good, Voyager was quite weak except for a few wham episodes (anything with the borg makes ST better). Enterprise I just couldn't watch through.

Hey, Enterprise is very good!

To be honest everything we have has been something I have wanted since I first learned of X-wing, save for the Rebels stuff which still looks very interesting. I have been hoping for the world of ships in the PC X-wing and Tie Fighter games to come to life. I still hold out hope for the Assault Gunboat, Tie Avenger and Missile Boat. I have wanted the punishing one from a long ago obsession begun with EU novels and SW CCG from decipher. Nothing seems forced to me and if they didn't make products for us to buy then the game would be dead.

What I also love is when people talk about being a kid and remembering how they were a good movie critic at 10. Their ability to see a good storyline and wanting the story to have a more deeper ending than it did and wanting the future movies to carry on the good story telling the the days past.

These are also the same kids that thought Saturday morning cartoons were also well developed and awesome at 10 too. (Insert cartoons from your own time periods here.) Is someone going to tell me that someone who thought Thundarr The Barbarian was a well written and animated show is a great critic? So no you were not a good judge of films when you were a kid, no one was.