Really, did no one notice the TIEs flying in Bespin's atmosphere and accelerating to orbital speeds in TESB? Kind of hard to leave the planet without those repulsors that are kinda sorta quasi canon. Oh and they work up to 6 planetar radii per the ANH novelization, which really should be canon no matter what anyone says.
Luke had a dog!
Death troopers! (I totes used sith zombies in a D20 game)
I really can't find an OT example of a strut landed TIE. Been looking last 10 minutes or so, Rebels definitely, there are a few examples.
In the OT I don't think you see any landed TIEs at all, nor do you see them actually launch from anything.
I really can't find an OT example of a strut landed TIE.
Do we ever really see a landed TIE in the OT at all? There seems to be one when the Emperor lands on the DS2 in the background but I can't find a good high rez version of that image.
Rebels definitely, there are a few examples.
This is honestly all that needs to be said. Rebels is canon and that the end of the story. That's the whole point behind canon, it's not up to each of us to decide what is or isn't canon, we can either accept what is canon or you can reject it. But if you do then you really lose out on the ability to get involved in discussions about it.
Out of likes again, But Vanor is correct in both points. Only landed TIE I found is on a scaffold on the DS2, on a ceiling rack.
And yes, Rebels is mos def canon.
I really can't find an OT example of a strut landed TIE.
Do we ever really see a landed TIE in the OT at all? There seems to be one when the Emperor lands on the DS2 in the background but I can't find a good high rez version of that image.
Rebels definitely, there are a few examples.
This is honestly all that needs to be said. Rebels is canon and that the end of the story. That's the whole point behind canon, it's not up to each of us to decide what is or isn't canon, we can either accept what is canon or you can reject it. But if you do then you really lose out on the ability to get involved in discussions about it.
You can actually, its the reworked New Hope, but its there, when Han does his mad dash on the Death Star and then is confronted by a room full of stormies there is a TIE fighter sitting on its struts.
End of Conversation *Drops Mic*
I really can't find an OT example of a strut landed TIE.
Do we ever really see a landed TIE in the OT at all? There seems to be one when the Emperor lands on the DS2 in the background but I can't find a good high rez version of that image.
Rebels definitely, there are a few examples.
This is honestly all that needs to be said. Rebels is canon and that the end of the story. That's the whole point behind canon, it's not up to each of us to decide what is or isn't canon, we can either accept what is canon or you can reject it. But if you do then you really lose out on the ability to get involved in discussions about it.
You can actually, its the reworked New Hope, but its there, when Han does his mad dash on the Death Star and then is confronted by a room full of stormies there is a TIE fighter sitting on its struts.
End of Conversation *Drops Mic*
I just looked on youtube. Hard to tell but think that's racked too, looks to be off the ground but can't see for sure.
Hard to tell but think that's racked too, looks to be off the ground but can't see for sure.
Per the image at http://www.sideshowtoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/hs10.jpgIt looks to be off the ground but I don't see any sort of racking.
Hard to tell but think that's racked too, looks to be off the ground but can't see for sure.
Per the image at http://www.sideshowtoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/hs10.jpgIt looks to be off the ground but I don't see any sort of racking.
Yeah, I got that - mid launch?
Yeah, I got that - mid launch?
Hard to say. It's such a quick scene in the movie that even frame by frame you might have trouble telling for sure what it's doing.
TIE fighters had repulsar lifts in all 3 original movies. I mean if we're going to get this stupidly pedantic about it they have to. Both Death Stars are the size of a moon and Bespin is a gas giant, objects that size exert noticeable gravity on their surroundings. Even if the Death Stars had an atmosphere like Bespin, TIE fighters have zero atmospheric aerodynamics. The fact that they don't just plummet into any of those large planet and planetoid objects can only be explained by repulsars keeping them aloft. Especially the trench run, they're far too close to be considered 'in orbit' or angled up to have their ion engines keeping them from falling. If you don't think they have gravity you're going to have to work pretty hard to explain why the Executor falls into DS2 after its bridge is destroyed, presumably disabling its repulsars
I really can't find an OT example of a strut landed TIE.
Do we ever really see a landed TIE in the OT at all? There seems to be one when the Emperor lands on the DS2 in the background but I can't find a good high rez version of that image.
The arrival of Vader in ROTJ shows a parked bomber, but wether it's racked or on repulsors isn't clear.
1:12 through to 1:30
Shouldn't a device of such an importance like a repulsor lift be mentioned in at least one of the many blueprints or technical data slates and ship databases around?
I havn't found a single one.
Mark it on this blueprints, please and make it canon.
So just to be sure I'm following you here, you want us to point out on this blueprint where the repulsorlifts are? This blueprint that clearly shows an ion reactor where the rear window on a Tie Fighter is. You make comments about needing a ladder to get out of and into the ship if landed on the wings. Quick question for you, where did the ladder for the X-wing come from on Dagobah? Did Yoda keep it just in case anybody showed up at a later date in a ship that didn't exist when he went into hiding? I don't recall seeing X-wings flying with ladders on them. Jesus Christ man it's called a movie, I loved and lived Star Wars since 1977 but it's just a movie. What they need for the scene is there when they need it. Reading through these pages all I can picture I my head is Ben Affleck trying to explain to Jay and Silent Bob that people are talking about fictional characters....
You know what. Imma step in here.
It's not just a movie.
Hasn't been just a movie for ages.
It's a background for games, and some of us like our games INSANELY DETAILED.
You know what. Imma step in here.
It's not just a movie.
Hasn't been just a movie for ages.
It's a background for games, and some of us like our games INSANELY DETAILED.
Actually no, it is just a movie, although an insanely popular movie. Anyone here who is old enough to know that the first one was Star Wars.....that's it, nothing else. Everything else was created after the fact. It was a stand alone movie and was so insanely popular that everything else was added to this universe. The first movie had it's name added to and the marketing blitz went from there. Back in '77 the only thing you had to go with it was your imagination. Everything else was created after the fact. Fictional characters my friends, you can call it whatever you want to but it is just a movie.
Sorry but we'll have to agree to disagree.
If it WERE just a movie, we wouldn't have had the last 8 page argument over canon and EU.
Also, if it were just a movie, we probably wouldn't have this really cool game with tiny space ships.
It's evolved man. it's a culture more than just a movie.
It encompasses different fandoms and styles from wargamers to DM's to videogamers to cosplayers.
I consider "just a movie" to be extremely narrow minded.
edit: expanding
I'm not going to sell that Star Wars is a philosophical or religious masterpiece, but it's influence has grown to the point that the rest of Star Wars that exists as a franchise is way more than just a movie.
Examples: The 501st, the EU books, the games - both old and new school.
Edited by DariusAPBWhy are people claiming that just because there are no repulsors on a blueprint means there can't be any? Blueprints showing literally every component of a ship would either be so big they wouldn't fit on a table or so cluttered they would be virtually unreadable.
Why are people claiming that just because there are no repulsors on a blueprint means there can't be any? Blueprints showing literally every component of a ship would either be so big they wouldn't fit on a table or so cluttered they would be virtually unreadable.
I think we should quietly back out of the room and run, don't look back, NEVER look back
The standard TIE Fighter (don't ask me which one that should be, the ANH ones? The ESB/ROTJ ones?) should have had a technical manual with fold out exploded diagrams and extensive cross referencing. I mean, every fan wants those blueprints on their walls right? Don't believe those folks who say they would rather see this kind of resource written for the Falcon or X-wing first, it must be Empire all the way! Come on Disney, get it done.
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That's what the last several pages of this thread has brought me to.
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That's what the last several pages of this thread has brought me to.
Would have put a like on, am in like a like drought.
But: AND PROUD!!!
Some of us are very detail orientated with our sci-fantasy universes.
Edited by DariusAPBBut people are arguing over details that are
a) irrelevant
b) answered in current canon and not definitively contradictory of anything shown in official previous canon sources
c) insanely myopic in terms of the intention and expectations set by the story universe (meaning - Star Wars isn't science fiction. It's space opera)
nerds is right - and I love it 
Lucas was involved but that doesn't make it (technically) canon. And certainly isn't now *ducks*
I mean... Darth Icky. He was serious.
It was time for him to hand over the reins.
That's just because it's Tuesday.
In the spirit of this thread:
IT'S WEDNESDAY NOW HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY BE SO WRONG?!
Alternatively: IT WAS WEDNESDAY IN AUSTRALIA WHICH SOMEHOW INVALIDATES YOUR WHOLE POINT!
Ok seriously, this thread needed to get locked down Monday. Possibly Saturday.
It has developed a life of it's own so far away from it's original (albeit sky is falling) point that it's hilarious.
I think we should all just be happy that it is going anywhere at all. I was getting worried that Star Wars was going to be a dust collector.
For real! I kept thinking:
Ok, for the Rebellion there's, um, the T-Wing? Cool. That's Wave 8. What the heck do they have for Wave 9, Clone Wars stuff?!
Without Rebels and Episode 7, the Rebellion was basically out of ships. I'm actually not sure what might exist for Wave 9, and they kinda have to be working on it right now...
