Stinkers with their theatrical releases? Such as?

Mistakes in targeting the right audience perhaps, but stinkers?

A lot of their live action movies in the 60s and 70s.

For one....I refuse to believe that Disney will kill the sacred cow with Star Wars. They just spent a lot of money on it and will not make a bad film. Next, they just have to make an OK movie for it to be a hit.

I don't believe they'll do it deliberately. They just might love it so much they pet it to death, like Lennie's puppy in Of Mice And Men.

Er... spoilers for a nigh-80-year-old novel, I guess?

It's been immortalized in the Looney Tunes cartoons, so you're OK.

Herbie was awesome! I was a little kid and I loved it, it was directed at little kids.

As was Condorman. Absolutely crackin' film!

JJ did not make the scripts for either trek films or for TFA.

I'm not convinced that recent developments in X-Wing were forced on FFG by Disney. The new starter set could have been completely FFG's idea. Deciding to do new cannon stuff in favor of old EU stuff also doesn't seem like a decision they would make only because Disney forced them to do so.

A short history of X-Wing:

First FFG released the 2 most recognizable fighters from A New Hope. Then they released the other fighters from Ep4.

The next 2 Waves saw them introduce every fighter and Falcon sized ship from Episodes 4, 5, and 6. They ran out of those, so they threw in an EU ship that people were fond of.

Waves 4, 5, and 6 featured 1 canon ship (the Z-95), and basically every EU ship in roughly decending order of popularity.

Wave 7 had the K-Wing for the love of all that's holy. They basically ran out of ships.

Fortunately for FFG and us, Disney had stepped up and brought Star Wars back. Yes, they killed Clone Wars, but they left it in the canon. They also gave us Rebels.

Rebels is amazing. It's basically everything Star Wars should be. I'm incredibly excited for Wave 8, because I'll get to play with the Ghost.

I actually have very low expectations for Episode 7. But who cares if it's good or not? I've got Rebels. I've got a light saber that is also a blaster. A freighter that is also a carrier! Evil Sith lords who are terrible monsters from the deepest ID of humanity's darkest dreams. And silly stormtrooper shenanigans.

X-Wing, before anything else, is a love letter to Star Wars. They have done a fantastic job at grabbing whatever source material is around and making wonderful thematic game pieces. They'll keep doing that.

And Disney? Disney is smart enough to let them.

2000-2008 wasn't a particular great time for Disney Animation Though they still had some good stuff, most of it was mediocre to bad.

To weigh in on the canon debate:

From what i understand, according to Lucasfilm's statement, the old EU is no longer canon. However, it's not forbidden for creators to draw from it in creating new stories, or updating old ones. Legends material is not "canon until stated otherwise", it's "non-canon until it's potentially brought into canon." Every new book, comic, TV series, film etc released after that point is canon. And is at the same level of canon as all other material, it can't be written out of existence.

The old canon material had the state of "Canon until it's contradicted," and new sources overwrote older ones.

JJ did not make the scripts for either trek films or for TFA.

But he was the one that made the original Cumberbatch character turn out to be Khan - so.....he can have disastrous influences on the script

Fantasia is interesting as a historical artifact and some sequences are good but overall it was a dud. The new PBS "American Experience" on Walt Disney even had their commentators (who all love Disney it seems) say as much.

Also - the people that were responsible for Fantasia are either long dead or out of the business overall. I'm not saying I have a problem with their current non-Pixar work but holding up Fantasia as reasoning why the studio can't fail now is a bit of a reach on a few levels

To weigh in on the canon debate:

From what i understand, according to Lucasfilm's statement, the old EU is no longer canon. However, it's not forbidden for creators to draw from it in creating new stories, or updating old ones. Legends material is not "canon until stated otherwise", it's "non-canon until it's potentially brought into canon." Every new book, comic, TV series, film etc released after that point is canon. And is at the same level of canon as all other material, it can't be written out of existence.

...which makes the timeline of Legends stories interesting. It seems to me that stories, characters and events set further in the future - post Return of the Jedi, specifically - are in much greater jeopardy of being completely written out of existence than stories set during the events of the original trilogy.

Take the original X-Wing game, for example. The events depicted in the game - leading up to the attack on the first Death Star - are probably less likely to be altered or overwritten than, say, the Thrawn series as they tie into existing timelines and canon.

That's not to say Disney might not set films during the events of the original trilogy - Rogue One - itself show's they're happy to revisit earlier time periods, but they're definitely some stories more at risk than others (looking at you, Vong).

Why is canon important?

For this game? It's not really. For general discussions about the Star Wars universe it's important because it established the generally accepted facts of the universe.

Without canon, discussing Star Wars would be like trying to discuss WWII with someone who believes Aliens were actually the ones behind the Axis powers.

It wasn't aliens. It was Cthulluvian Elder Gods. Haven't you seen Hellboy?

A short history of X-Wing:

First FFG released the 2 most recognizable fighters from A New Hope. Then they released the other fighters from Ep4.

...

Fortunately for FFG and us, Disney had stepped up and brought Star Wars back. Yes, they killed Clone Wars, but they left it in the canon. They also gave us Rebels.

The Tie Bomber was in Empire Strikes Back and not in Wave 2.

Disney didn't kill the Clone Wars.

I don't understand your complaint, Star Wars has always been a huge marketing tie in for kids toys, George Lucas basically invented the idea of the mega movie-toy tie in blitz and has been getting rich on it ever since. Heck, when the first movie came out they did not anticipate how popular it would be so they had IOUs for the action figures. Mind you this was in the 1970s before George Lucas even thought of partnering with Disney. I would dare say that Disney has copied some of LFL ideas of product tie ins instead of the other way around. FFG is merely another licensed property that has mostly free rein on their product as long as it is "appropriate." The only that has ever held them back isnt canon or the EU, its merely the NDA shenanigans of Disney for their new super movie (and rightfully so, nothing gets out before the movie so theres no spoilerage). I have a feeling disney didnt force them to go for the rebels ship, I think they saw the opportunity to tie in what is new an relevant to their game, and make for some interesting game mechanics.

Blocking has been a part of X-wing since wave 1. Even before I discovered this forum my friend and I started using blocking when we only had a couple ships and 1 core set.

The tournament aspect of X-wing wasn't expected to be so big when the game was developed, but it's probably one of the main reasons the game has expanded to 8 wave and 30+ ships. That shouldn't stop you from casual games. If you're coming to a forum like this that's somewhat dominated by tournament players you shouldn't let that detract from you're OT casual experience. Maybe you should setup a blog or a forum for that kind of player community.

I've never played the X-wing/Tie Fighter, Shadows of the Empire, or Empire at War video games, but I still like playing ships from them. My interest in Star Wars doesn't begin and end with nostalgia. I view every new ship that I've never heard of from the EU with the same interest I did when I was a little kid seeing new ships like B-wings, A-wing, Tie Bombers, and Tie Interceptors.

Disney didn't do anything to the EU, that was the Lucasfilms Story Group, which was setup by Kathleen Kennedy the president of Lucaslims. It may have been Disney that ordered the Story Group to be created, but it's the story group that chose to do what they did with the EU. Disney is known for letting their companies do what they do best, with minimal interference. If you want to look at the result just compare the Marvel Cinematic Universe to what Fox has done with the Marvel IPs they own. I'm no fan of Disney but I'll take the MCU films over all those other marvel hero films.

A short history of X-Wing:

First FFG released the 2 most recognizable fighters from A New Hope. Then they released the other fighters from Ep4.

...

Fortunately for FFG and us, Disney had stepped up and brought Star Wars back. Yes, they killed Clone Wars, but they left it in the canon. They also gave us Rebels.

The Tie Bomber was in Empire Strikes Back and not in Wave 2.

Disney didn't kill the Clone Wars.

The absolute worst I've heard against Marvel+Disney has been them looking for the occasional quick cash grab. Hasn't done much, if anything, to change the quality of the comics/movies getting pumped out by Marvel (only true crap has been the stuff Marvel no longer has control over, like the recent Fantastic Four flick). Hell, a lot of those great films probably wouldn't exist without Disney.

I really don't see Star Wars being any different, or what the huge fear is. They're not going to turn it into Mickey Mouse, and Star Wars being merchandised to hell and beyond is nothing new.

Star Wars has always been about merchandising. Just because it's not the same merchandising OP grew up with its automatically bad? Nah.

A short history of X-Wing:

First FFG released the 2 most recognizable fighters from A New Hope. Then they released the other fighters from Ep4.

...

Fortunately for FFG and us, Disney had stepped up and brought Star Wars back. Yes, they killed Clone Wars, but they left it in the canon. They also gave us Rebels.

The Tie Bomber was in Empire Strikes Back and not in Wave 2.

Disney didn't kill the Clone Wars.

I should not engage in this level of pedantry, but I had said that "the next 2 Waves" after the first Wave. The TIE Bomber is from Wave 3.

Disney did, in fact, cancel the Clone Wars. It was an ongoing series. They canceled it while there were still seasons of it in various stages of production.

Even had I been factually incorrect on those 2 points, my broader point would still stand.

It got killed because they finally had someone with business sense in control. The Clone Wars was losing money. Cartoon Network was getting ready to get rid of it. So, much like with Lucasarts, the right business decision was made, finally.

Stinkers with their theatrical releases? Such as?

Mistakes in targeting the right audience perhaps, but stinkers?

A lot of their live action movies in the 60s and 70s.

If you have to go back 40-50 years for your examples, your argument might not be that strong.

What does have to do with anything?

Clone Wars's financial issues likely had more to do with Cartoon Network trying to kill off anything that wasn't slapstick or absurdist than the series itself.

Yeah ... maybe they figured out that there are more non-Trekkies.

Funny, I like his movies better than some (most) of the original timeline movies, some of which were utter drek.

Many people like movies whose story exist to connect special-fx scenes and is not of further importance.

Quite likely, yes. Not me though, my favourite movies rely on actual acting. That doesn't mean though that I can't thoroughly enjoy a big effects blockbuster.

But please, if it makes you feel better about yourself, by all means remain on your high horse.

Me sitting on a high horse? LOL!

I'm not the only one. I know a lot ppl that loved Star Trek until that point.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

But that is what actual blockbusters are made of.

I know.

Every scene has to be mind-blowing and fast and full of 3d effects. Its almost just a swirl ... and once the film is over and you try to think about the story - there is not much to think - in fact you forget the film very quickly - its not much in there that drains to your long-term memory - its just a blur.

Maybe I'm getting old

I know a lot ppl that loved Star Trek until that point.

I love Star Trek, I continue to love Star Trek. I am also able to separate the JJ movies from DS9 or TNG or TOS, and appreciate them for what they are, and not compare them to the other movies or TV shows.

Saying that JJ ruined Trek, is like saying the EU ruined Star Wars... The old trek is still there and hasn't gone anywhere.

The actual acting is over-acting most of the time and absolutely not Star Trek.

This pretty much invalidates every argument you can make about Star Trek... To try and actually claim that it's not Star Trek because of over acting? Have you ever watched Star Trek?

Right, Shattner is a lot, but certainly not underacting.

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