Thanks to having a new core set which acts as a great jumping on point for new players, I've been considering playing what I'm calling (named after Magic) Modern Format. Basic rule is you have the new core set and whatever comes after it as your legal ships. Or potentially just The Force Awakens ship's, new TIE/FO and T-70, until more are released later.

I think it would be a good way to get new players into a more competitive play format without having to buy a bunch of stuff from older releases. And still give long time players a great experience.

What say you?

**** no

Old set is still around and people aren't going to tailor themselves outside of anything but their own volition

Not to mention that the t70 and fo are basically the same as most other ships out there in that they move, take an action etc

Contrast to the phantom and kwing

This has been another addition of "it's still xwing miniatures so stop dreaming of arbitrary for restrictions just because of new shinies"

I believe that in a couple of years, a new "modern" format is exactly what could happen to the game.

It's either this or whole new edition because otherwise xwing will become too scary for new players who would have to purchase a hell lot of ships and upgrades to get into the competitive scene

Maybe in two years when TFA ships have more than 2 options.

I believe that in a couple of years, a new "modern" format is exactly what could happen to the game.

It's either this or whole new edition because otherwise xwing will become too scary for new players who would have to purchase a hell lot of ships and upgrades to get into the competitive scene

I believe that in a couple of years, a new "modern" format is exactly what could happen to the game.

It's either this or whole new edition because otherwise xwing will become too scary for new players who would have to purchase a hell lot of ships and upgrades to get into the competitive scene

I think the best we can do is to explain what is what and what probably should not be a beginners concern. How much they will end up spending is something we have we little power over.

For myself I just started last year and I am planning to buy way too much to catch up, but that is mainly because I am not restricting myself in terms of factions and I simply want everything. But I have read a lot of people suggestions and I think we are in a pretty good way answering new players concerns about where to start.

Archie

In addition, we all know why MTG has modern, right?

Does xwing miniatures, for All its cards and releases, even come close to a single block of MTG?

The concept of a modern format is completely and hilariously unnecessary; we're far more likely to see a 2nd edition first

Are you offering this up as an official suggestion? Or just an idea for casual play at your FLGS as an addition to the full game? The latter I support.

As a general idea for casual games, getting new players involved or even artificial impositions on tournaments then yeah go for it.

But officially - I don't think it will happen.

Having said that, as others have said, it raises the debate of rotation. FFG will soon start rotating their LCGs. But I think their main justification/reason for it, was to reduce the number of SKUs that retailers and consumers have to worry about, not necessarily to reduce the number of playing pieces in any given game.

Currently X-Wing has (including announced but unreleased products), by my count 40 products.

For reference: LCGs rotation means they have upto 7 cycles + deluxes + core set = around 45 products. If that number is any sort of steer for FFG's thinking; if they think a similar number of products for X-Wing is the best to center on, then maybe we're close to rotation in X-Wing?

So the question is how many SKUs until they start thinking about rotation?

Drink from the pot have you, OP?

That's an interesting idea. I've been wondering about shelf space at my LFGS. Each time they release another wave, it takes up more and more space. At some point, I would expect that stores would stop carrying all models at all times. Especially the smaller stores. This would be the logical way to reduce shelf space - carry only the "modern" stuff, and having to order the legacy stuff. *Shrug... I don't think this is going to happen though. But I'm still concerned with the shelf space.

We've toyed around with the idea of something similar. Waves drop in and out, instead of having a cutoff point.
For example, this week, we'll use ships from waves 1,2, & 3. Next week, wave 1 drops out, and in comes 4. Next week, lose 2 and add 5.

Upgrades from all sets are always allowed, mainly because some ships are garbage without their fixes. There would also need to be some way to keep it all nice and balanced, sure. It's an idea.

You know, back in the 90s I used to love EF2000. Great flight sim, flew the titular plane against SU35s, MIG29s .... also cold war era MIG21s.

Just saying, old **** still gets used.

Anything the shakes up the stale and boring tournament scene is OK with me.

Anything the shakes up the stale and boring tournament scene is OK with me.

And W7 didn't do that for you? Given I haven't played in any top level competitions since then (who has since we're between Nats and Worlds?), but all of the games I've played both in person and on Vassal (including looking through the GC lists) are vastly different from the Gencon and Regionals lists.

As commented upon by a few, this was absolutely a casual format. Which as I remember was how it went with Magic's Modern format at first before official adoption, as it would again go with commander much later. I foresee many getting into the game after the movies release that might not have seen the original trilogy yet (difficult to imagine but an increasingly common story) and might not have the interest to jump in to our full and official standard play format. Which if it really needs to be said, I have no intent of leaving behind.

Also, even at our FLGS which is fairly large by any standard I've seen we are running out of space on our shelves as well. The whole line has migrated along the shop quite a bit and now takes up about an eighteenth of the aisle shelf space and even that display is literally spilling on to the floor where we set the Epic product. For some reference it takes up an equivalent amount of space now to Warhammer Fantasy. It has become a legitimate concern with our store owner who says he could almost switch it with the Warhammer 40k wall display and still be cramped for space after just a few more waves all over again. Glad to know we aren't an isolated incident. Thanks for sharing this concern as well.

Anything the shakes up the stale and boring tournament scene is OK with me.

And W7 didn't do that for you? Given I haven't played in any top level competitions since then (who has since we're between Nats and Worlds?), but all of the games I've played both in person and on Vassal (including looking through the GC lists) are vastly different from the Gencon and Regionals lists.

It's not so much the lists per se, though our local scene seems to have a few people that stick to established power-lists (and play them well and often) whereas a bunch of us always try something new. A 'Modern' tournament would (right now anyway) be less about the rock/paper/scissors list-building has become and more about the flying.

Thanks to having a new core set which acts as a great jumping on point for new players, I've been considering playing what I'm calling (named after Magic) Modern Format. Basic rule is you have the new core set and whatever comes after it as your legal ships. Or potentially just The Force Awakens ship's, new TIE/FO and T-70, until more are released later.

I think it would be a good way to get new players into a more competitive play format without having to buy a bunch of stuff from older releases. And still give long time players a great experience.

What say you?

Purely in regards to my own self interest, no.

It would be a fun one off thing. But as for putting the emphasis back on flying, that's what the TLT meta is doing. I flew Biggs walks the HWK's and got pounded by quad Green Squadrons with Predator and PtL and autothrusters. A meta where quad A-Wing is viable, talk about putting the emphasis on flying!

The meta is in a good place right now. 2 ship list fans have dual IG's that are as viable as ever, the swarm is back, TIE Advanced is a nice imperial b-wing sort of, HWK's are competitive, and fat Turretwing is dead.

No infinity!

Thanks to having a new core set which acts as a great jumping on point for new players, I've been considering playing what I'm calling (named after Magic) Modern Format. Basic rule is you have the new core set and whatever comes after it as your legal ships. Or potentially just The Force Awakens ship's, new TIE/FO and T-70, until more are released later.

I think it would be a good way to get new players into a more competitive play format without having to buy a bunch of stuff from older releases. And still give long time players a great experience.

What say you?

Based on packaging decisions, I think FFG is kind of expecting an unofficial TFA following to arise. All the TFA stuff has a blue logo while the OT stuff has red logos. I think they did that for identity so you can just focus on one era or the other if you choose to. Would I want to see this as an official variant? No. But I would play in a local tournament with these rules ... if I ever get any TFA ships. But in reality, this just like hosting a Battle of Yavin tournament where only wave 1 ships are legal. That would be just as friendly to new and old players as this new one.

However, I don't like naming it Modern. For one thing, a lot of people aren't into Magic and don't want to see that game associated with this one. Second, it makes it sound official when I believe such a format should never be anything but casual.

And what would you do about upgrades? Would you only let the most recent upgrades be used in this format? That sounds like a bad idea to me. Again, if you're playing someone new and all they have are the TFA ships, sure, you should take it easy on your upgrades and probably avoid using C-3PO or TIE Advanced x1 title.

Sounds like a terrible idea.

It's part of MTG to "rotate" in competitive play. Xwing has no such issue and should avoid this unneeded complication at all cost. And can. An Xwing list is far cheaper than any competitive MTG deck.

I can't really see it for thematic reasons. What's Star Wars without TIE fighters and the Millennium Falcon? How are you supposed to feel like you're dogfighting over Endor if there are no Interceptors or A-wings?

And there are also some logistical hurdles. TIE Advanced is Wave 1, but right now is the first time it's ever really been powerful enough to get attention. Does it count as a Wave 1 product, when the ship was released, or a Wave 6.5 product, when the Fix was released? Do A-wings count as a Wave 2 ship or as a Rebel Aces ship? What about the TIE Fighter--when the Gozanti is released, can you fly any pilot, or just the ones from the Gozanti box?

I don't think it shouldn't be done, but I'm not sure I'd be terribly interested in it if my FLGS offered it as a casual format.

Obviously whatever you want to do with friends and family is awesome and I'd like battle reports.

But as far as an official idea: I think it's not really great. It would make only 2 ships legal as of this moment, and neither of them would have the options that would make them shine. The next Wave will only add ships from Ep7 and Rebels (plus some Scum ships). It would be a weird X-Wing game where the T-70 is legal, the Ghost is legal, but the A-Wing and T-65 are not.

Having said all that: I do think it's just about time to for FFG to consolidate SKUs: maybe put all the T-65 ships and upgrades and pilots into one pack. And do the same with the Y-Wing, Z-95, B-Wing, A-Wing, and Squints. I'm not saying they _need_ to, but it might be a good idea for them to revisit how people get needed upgrade cards.

On the other wrist: the way it's done right now encourages people to buy cross factionally. In my mind, that's a good thing.

Thanks to having a new core set which acts as a great jumping on point for new players, I've been considering playing what I'm calling (named after Magic) Modern Format. Basic rule is you have the new core set and whatever comes after it as your legal ships. Or potentially just The Force Awakens ship's, new TIE/FO and T-70, until more are released later.

I think it would be a good way to get new players into a more competitive play format without having to buy a bunch of stuff from older releases. And still give long time players a great experience.

What say you?

I say go ahead....but you are going to be very very lonely...

Thanks to having a new core set which acts as a great jumping on point for new players, I've been considering playing what I'm calling (named after Magic) Modern Format. Basic rule is you have the new core set and whatever comes after it as your legal ships. Or potentially just The Force Awakens ship's, new TIE/FO and T-70, until more are released later.

I think it would be a good way to get new players into a more competitive play format without having to buy a bunch of stuff from older releases. And still give long time players a great experience.

What say you?

X wing has two and is what, four years old? No. It's not time for T1 and T2.