I'm totally fine with it.

I came into the game with a fluff mentality as well but I quickly discarded it as I find that it hampered my enjoyment of the game more than it helped. Also, I don't have the habit of creating house rules so I just accepted way FFG intended for us to play the game.

You know,

In terms of actual gameplay, the kwing is VASTLY more different than the ep 7 ships compared to the OT ships

Who cares if they're slightly different looking Xs and ties when they're still Xs and ties (just fancier and less efficient)

As always, the needs of gameplay curbstomps the needs of fluff

I count rebel blue-on-blue matches as training exercises.

This is how I view it. Imp vs Imp or Reb vs Reb are training exercises/war games in my mind.

I'm fine with it. As I mentioned in the other thread about this stuff y wings and z95 s are already over 20 years old by the ot and the falcon is 60 years old by the ot. Militarized don't update their tech as often as people think. In the us we still use a tank that is 35 years old (m1 Abrams). If it still works and still shoots it's still useful irl and in Star Wars.

Mature technologies rarely see radical change over time. The reason we 21st century hu-mons think 10 or even 5 years is an eternity that outmodes older products is because we are used to seeing computer and integrated chip tech changing constantly (moore's law still stands today I think) not realizing that computers are not yet fully matured. I suppose we will find out if and when the singularity hits.

I SUPER don't care.

This. Stupid First Order paint scheme don't match all my other TIEs.

most of you probably know this, but the T-70 is an earlier xwing prototype design drawn by ralph mcquarrie which was eventually adapted to be the T-65. so, the "real original" in a way, has always been the T-70, at least, art wise for the movies. You can see it in books like "the art of star wars" that were published 25 years ago. It's an old friend to me

We don't know the whole story yet, but I can forsee a transitional state for both the rebellion and the empire where both sides are scrambling to control everything they can, and they need whatever ships and men they can get their hands on.

So, I could certainly see a band of time between ROTJ and TFA where old Y-wings, T-65s and even the first T-70s are fighting side by side, even with an odd z-95 thrown in.

We've had the discussion before, but I see this in the real army (American) all the time. Up until about 2003, my national guard unit was flying hueys from the Vietnam war, while most active duty units had transitioned to the Blackhawk.

Now, the H model hueys I worked on were still modified a lot from their Vietnam days in many important ways, but the airframes were straight outta the late 60's and 70s. the newest bird we had was from 1971, and when we went to desert storm in 1990 we flew the rotors off of it, right alongside active duty units with blackhawks.

Until the USSR collapsed, they were still running diesel subs from WW2 alongside of nuke boats built in the 80s.

that's a pretty big span of time. the Russian infantry weapon, the AK-101, is a modernized version of the AK-47, which, as the name suggests, was first designed in 1947. It has been rechambered and slightly upgraded since that time.

So, these scenarios happen in real life, and in real wars, so I have no trouble with T-65s and T-70s in the same fight. you have more trouble making the pilots work, but I personally don't have a beef with that.

I just hope the t-65 remains competitive. time will tell if the slight nudge it received keeps it from gathering dust. hopefully more love is coming for it and the tie bomber. I want a redline like pilot for the bomber myself.

Interestingly, I am fine with mixing the new ships in with the old. It might just be because the new ships look very similar to the older ones, especially compared to the prequel era designs. I would have more concern mixing the Star Wars Rebels ships in with the OT ships if anything, but even that is no big deal.

Overall, I think I have drifted away somewhat from only thinking of X-wing as specifically a Star Wars game and all the potential baggage that entails. If there came a day where they had enough ships to make Rebels, Imperials, Scum, Resistance, and First Order into their own separate playable factions, I think it could be a very fun game. It might rub some people the wrong way in terms of lore, but that is something you can easily control for casual games at home. To date, I have never played a casual game that was rebels vs rebels or imperials vs imperials, but at a tournament I have no problem playing a mirror match.

For now, the T-70 and TIE/fo feel pretty well at home mingling with rebels and imperials, and I especially enjoy playing the TIE/fo, so it is perfectly fine with me.

Meh It doesn't really bother me much.

Mirror matches, mixing timelines/eras, if these things bother you then come up with some narrative for it.

It's not that hard, go watch some Sci-Fi for inspiration.

Time travel is an easy and fun (and often brain breaking) example.

Or cloning...

Ultimately just suck it up. It means we get more spaceship for this great game

I'm not opposed to mixing but I'd have to repaint he ugly tfa paint scheme.

But so far nothing released has impressed me for empire.

I agree with you on the white panels but I really like the black cockpit 'ball' with the grey trim around the red cockpit glass.

I will be repainting the white but leave most of the rest.

Now what colour to paint it....now that is the question...

As always, the needs of gameplay curbstomps the needs of fluff

Hahaha that's gold!

Good call though

Not concerned whatsoever.

OMG....this really had to be a topic. TFA is just the next movie....after ROTJ. Just because it is set 20+ years after ROTJ doesn't mean that tech has advanced to the point you won't still see the older ships being used. The Falcon is a perfect example. Oh but it has a rectangular dish now....because Lando was an idiot and knocked the original one off and had to replace it. The new TFA ships are not futuristic superior ships they are just the newer versions of tried and true designs.

Look at like this. The Air Force still has planes in service that are over 30 years old in design....why because they WORK. Have they had upgrades and improvements sure, but they are the same plane.

I understand there are people that think because we haven't, and probably won't due to rights, seen prequel ships that there must be some superiority issue with ships. No FFG started with the "Galactic Civil War" era which didn't just end when the Emperor and Vader died. I mean if you think that the Empire just layed down their guns and let the "New Republic", which was in the EU that doesn't exist anymore, just take over you're wrong. The new novel "Aftermath" that is the first of a trilogy shows the heads of the Empire coming together to prevent splinter factions of the Empire from forming and restoring what order they can.

This OP is like poking a hornets nest with a stick. You know you are starting something that shouldn't be.

As I've noted before, X-Wing is a game where Raymus Antilles (who is choked to death by Vader in the first 10 minutes of ANH) can be teamed with a Falcon piloted by Lando Calrissian and crewed by Luke & Leia, which doesn't happen until the end of ESB.

Wave 8 takes this even further. Without spoiling the specifics, one of the characters from Rebels dies within the first season of that show, yet debuts in the same wave with Force Awakens pilots.

The timeline has been shattered for a long, long time. Just love the game, and experience the knife-fighting joy that can only come from putting PTL and BB-8 on Wedge Antilles. Appreciate that you can have the heroes of two wars fighting side by side.

EDIT: Here's an alternate way of looking at it. All X-Wing ships and pilots are now in the Force Awakens future. In this alternate future, Biggs, Vader, Xizor and everyone else never died. They're all still around to pilot these ships into combat against their opponents. As long as you're not using the alternate art cards, it's not like you can even see how old the pilots are in on the pilot cards, anyway.

Well, I for one will fly whatever I **** feel like...hehe. Just put your ships on the board and have some fun...its that easy for me.

Are you someone that really wants to mix and match "Original Trilogy" ships with "The Force Awakens" ships in their games?

I am undecided if this is something I want to do myself... it kind of feels weird, like they are two different eras with different themes, although one feels suspiciously like a carbon copy of the other. Even for casual games I would rather not have Rebels fighting Rebels or Imps vs Imps as this doesn't make much sense. I think I will have to wait until I actually see the movie before I actually feel like I want to use the new ships (which are not even available where I live).

Nothing wrong with added variety but keeping thematic match ups is also part of the fun for some.

Of course the real answer is "Do whatever you like, it is just a game".

Sure I dont see a problem mixing subgroups. As for Imp on Imp or Reb on Reb action it makes sense to me because there Rouge Imps in the Lore, like Grand Admiral Zaarin, when the Emperor first died the Empire became many Empires, some were run by good natured Imps, some werent. Lots of Imps faught other Imps. I bet you the First Order isnt the only Imp faction left. Sim things happend with Rebs too. After alot of the major Civil War fighting was over people had icdea how their part of the galaxy should run. Not all of their ideas meshed well. You got elite forces like Renegade Squadron after Endo the go back to doing their illegal opperations, this in turn makes them outlaws by New Republic standards and they are being hunted. You also got Reb groups that were to violent or had bad reasons for joining the Alliance, that were turned down by the Alliance, and a a threat to Imps and probably New Rep forces.

On the one hand, I like to keep my lists themed and narrative driven. So I don't like to include non-canon ships unless I personally think they are really cool. For me that means no K Wings and no E Wings for rebels, no Starviper for Scum, and no Punisher for Imperials. Oh, and no YT-2400 or IG88s. Ugly ships be ugly.

I quite like the new ships from TFA, but I think my preference will be to run them in their own squads, and I fully expect them to be split into their own factions at some point in the future when their line ups have improved. Of course, I've been wrong about that sort of thing before...

You probably already know this, but the YT-2400 is canon, specifically the Outrider. I personally consider other ships introduced in SotE to be canon as well, because of the size of the project and effort put into it by Lucasfilms... but I digress.

Like others have stated, I don't think 30 years is that big of a deal for matured technology. The Ys and Zs were already old by the OT, but they were still being used because they were workhorses. I would wonder, though, if it would be common to see scum factions using the Rebel and Imperial staple ships from the OT, 30 years later, since the newer models were introduced. Perhaps we'll see some more scum conversions come out of this.

I'm fine with it. As I mentioned in the other thread about this stuff y wings and z95 s are already over 20 years old by the ot.

Yeah, when the A4 Pilots got enough good flight time they became real deadly fighters and even Interceptors. Despite the S3 version being more user friendly it didnt do as well in dogfights. It didnt help that is only got blaster cannons while the A4 has longrange heavyduty Laser cannons.

We've had the discussion before, but I see this in the real army (American) all the time. Up until about 2003, my national guard unit was flying hueys from the Vietnam war, while most active duty units had transitioned to the Blackhawk.

Yeah its scary that those machines, and others, made it that long. Lots of others didnt make it that long because stress to the skelleton and internal componets.

OMG....this really had to be a topic. TFA is just the next movie....after ROTJ. Just because it is set 20+ years after ROTJ doesn't mean that tech has advanced to the point you won't still see the older ships being used. The Falcon is a perfect example. Oh but it has a rectangular dish now....because Lando was an idiot and knocked the original one off and had to replace it. The new TFA ships are not futuristic superior ships they are just the newer versions of tried and true designs.

Look at like this. The Air Force still has planes in service that are over 30 years old in design....why because they WORK. Have they had upgrades and improvements sure, but they are the same plane.

I understand there are people that think because we haven't, and probably won't due to rights, seen prequel ships that there must be some superiority issue with ships. No FFG started with the "Galactic Civil War" era which didn't just end when the Emperor and Vader died. I mean if you think that the Empire just layed down their guns and let the "New Republic", which was in the EU that doesn't exist anymore, just take over you're wrong. The new novel "Aftermath" that is the first of a trilogy shows the heads of the Empire coming together to prevent splinter factions of the Empire from forming and restoring what order they can.

This OP is like poking a hornets nest with a stick. You know you are starting something that shouldn't be.

The design of an aircraft doesnt have to change persay, an aircraft that is 30 years old needs componets changed out as well as the internal structure and the outer-body.

I get what your saying but I wouldnt use the Falcon as an example of a factions practice of using and upgrading older craft. Its a privatly owned vehicle.

The Legends / EU still exists and still happend in-universe. Its only the fine details that can change. Ill pm you the refrences.

As I've noted before, X-Wing is a game where Raymus Antilles (who is choked to death by Vader in the first 10 minutes of ANH)

He got better. Although he survived there times he wishes he hadnt. His new callsign "pencil neck" is one reason why.

You probably already know this, but the YT-2400 is canon, specifically the Outrider. I personally consider other ships introduced in SotE to be canon as well, because of the size of the project and effort put into it by Lucasfilms... but I digress.

Like others have stated, I don't think 30 years is that big of a deal for matured technology. The Ys and Zs were already old by the OT, but they were still being used because they were workhorses. I would wonder, though, if it would be common to see scum factions using the Rebel and Imperial staple ships from the OT, 30 years later, since the newer models were introduced. Perhaps we'll see some more scum conversions come out of this.

Well it doesnt hurt that BTLs and Headhunters are given upgrades. Some of the A4s were as manuverable as T-65s and they generally were as fast. I dont think aany of them is rolling with a factory default package.

So many white bars. Not much hope for this conversation to continue, I suppose.

persay

* per se

So many white bars. Not much hope for this conversation to continue, I suppose.

Thanks for the valuable contribution

OMG....this really had to be a topic. TFA is just the next movie....after ROTJ. Just because it is set 20+ years after ROTJ doesn't mean that tech has advanced to the point you won't still see the older ships being used. The Falcon is a perfect example. Oh but it has a rectangular dish now....because Lando was an idiot and knocked the original one off and had to replace it. The new TFA ships are not futuristic superior ships they are just the newer versions of tried and true designs.

Look at like this. The Air Force still has planes in service that are over 30 years old in design....why because they WORK. Have they had upgrades and improvements sure, but they are the same plane.

I understand there are people that think because we haven't, and probably won't due to rights, seen prequel ships that there must be some superiority issue with ships. No FFG started with the "Galactic Civil War" era which didn't just end when the Emperor and Vader died. I mean if you think that the Empire just layed down their guns and let the "New Republic", which was in the EU that doesn't exist anymore, just take over you're wrong. The new novel "Aftermath" that is the first of a trilogy shows the heads of the Empire coming together to prevent splinter factions of the Empire from forming and restoring what order they can.

This OP is like poking a hornets nest with a stick. You know you are starting something that shouldn't be.

All Dat. Yeah plus dudes... these new films happened after FFG got going with all of our goodies. Do you think they are going to not make new stuff to go with the new films.

Dat is just dumb.

Fussing is only a fun thing to do here, it changes absolutely nothing. You do not work for FFG or Dat Mouse. Why hate it? Buy what you want to own, and get on with having fun in your life.

most of you probably know this, but the T-70 is an earlier xwing prototype design drawn by ralph mcquarrie

What? No it's not. The new movie X-wing is based off Ralph Mcquarrie's concept art. And by that we are talking the engine intake things.

The concept X-wing has normal X-wing wings not these silly looking split wing setup.

They look like they would get ripped off if it were to enter an atmosphere

most of you probably know this, but the T-70 is an earlier xwing prototype design drawn by ralph mcquarrie

What? No it's not. The new movie X-wing is based off Ralph Mcquarrie's concept art. And by that we are talking the engine intake things.

The concept X-wing has normal X-wing wings not these silly looking split wing setup.

They look like they would get ripped off if it were to enter an atmosphere

The McQuarrie art I have seen has the split wing design.