OT vs TFA

By DB Draft, in X-Wing

Are you someone that really wants to mix and match "Original Trilogy" ships with "The Force Awakens" ships in their games?

I am undecided if this is something I want to do myself... it kind of feels weird, like they are two different eras with different themes, although one feels suspiciously like a carbon copy of the other. Even for casual games I would rather not have Rebels fighting Rebels or Imps vs Imps as this doesn't make much sense. I think I will have to wait until I actually see the movie before I actually feel like I want to use the new ships (which are not even available where I live).

Nothing wrong with added variety but keeping thematic match ups is also part of the fun for some.

Of course the real answer is "Do whatever you like, it is just a game".

I'm fine with it.

The Falcon is by-canon in both anyway, the TIEs haven't changed much, and I'd bet a nickel* that Luke is still flying a bonafide T-65 in the new movies anyway, so what the odds are of other stuff showing up... will be interesting.

And at that point, I pretty much shrug and go "Sure, why not? We already had the E-wing flying with Z-95s."

* I am not american and have never in fact seen a nickel in my life so if you take me up on this bet life could get awful complicated

Edited by Reiver

And just this wave we have characters from the Clone Wars Clone CGI flying against some of the protagonists of the Black Fleet Crisis (and specifically in the 16 ABY K-wings).

I'm reserved for the moment, I'll have to wait until I potentially get the new starter set to see about TFA. I'm more interested in the Rebels ships for the time being.

* I am not american and have never in fact seen a nickel in my life so if you take me up on this bet life could get awful complicated

5p, 5 cents, what have you. It's not nearly enough to complicate things.

I have no issues at all with it ... cause we are already using ships that cover about sixty some odd years.

I despise mirror matches. There is no excuse for them except in tournaments, which I am also not in love with.

With SCUM you should not see that much anymore, Verity and such is wonderful... oddly enough; the ONLY Faction that would fight among'st it's self is SCUM...

:lol:

I don't plan on mix and matching at all...because I think the ships would look and feel weird on the table together. The First Order isn't going to be using old tie fighters n stuff...clearly those weren't very efficient at getting the job done...as evidenced by their constant flimsiness and failures protecting numerous star destroyers and both death stars.

the game is already weird enough with dead pilots and 30 years difference...

but yeah, something is off. It seems like it should be a new game with different moves and mechanics.

also its not even timeline now... its ALTERNATE HISTORIES colliding.

On the one hand, I like to keep my lists themed and narrative driven. So I don't like to include non-canon ships unless I personally think they are really cool. For me that means no K Wings and no E Wings for rebels, no Starviper for Scum, and no Punisher for Imperials. Oh, and no YT-2400 or IG88s. Ugly ships be ugly.

I quite like the new ships from TFA, but I think my preference will be to run them in their own squads, and I fully expect them to be split into their own factions at some point in the future when their line ups have improved. Of course, I've been wrong about that sort of thing before...

I don't think it is the 30 years in-universe difference that is causing the disconnect in a lot of people, I think it is the 30 years in the real world difference that is the problem. However old you are, we have all grown up with the classic Star Wars ships. Even the EU ships that we personally may not be familiar with, we know that there is a lot of history, background and development behind them. The new ships don't have that. They are brand new, with no emotional connection or baggage behind them, and so they feel out if place, like intruders forcing themselves into a familiar place.

If the new movies are good they will get incorporated into the general fan consciousness and we'll get over it and come to like the new ships. If the new movies suck, they will cause a lot of division among the fan base until enough time has passed and they can be quietly shoved under the rug and ignored.

The T-70 was going to be THE X-WING in STAR WARS. It is not new or unfamiliar or disconnected to me at all... in fact it feels like it has finally come home.

WELCOME HOME OLD FRIEND.

^_^

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I have zero issues. I love the idea actually. When I want to focus on timeline semantics, I'll play the RPG.

I'm quite in love with the T-70 X-Wing Starfighter.

I like to see weird canonical situations like the way JJ set up the modern Star Trek movies by making a loophole-blackhole-time-distortion-thingy that still connects the new ST universe to the old one, but has complete freedom for story and character development.

Yeah, Biggs is dead when Corran or Poe is around, but maybe this Biggs accidentally went through some weird timewarping phenomenon that landed him in a different dimension. Or the universe where he was mercilessly explodified was just a bad dream Biggs was having before he took off to fly alongside Han and some dude in a Z-95.

Idk. Makes sense to me.

I think.

I'm reserved for the moment, I'll have to wait until I potentially get the new starter set to see about TFA. I'm more interested in the Rebels ships for the time being.

* I am not american and have never in fact seen a nickel in my life so if you take me up on this bet life could get awful complicated

5p, 5 cents, what have you. It's not nearly enough to complicate things

Sure, but I bet a nickel. Do you know how much of a pain the butt it would be to actually get hold of one? Banks don't do exchange on coinage. ;)

I have no issues at all with it ... cause we are already using ships that cover about sixty some odd years.

I despise mirror matches. There is no excuse for them except in tournaments, which I am also not in love with.

With SCUM you should not see that much anymore, Verity and such is wonderful... oddly enough; the ONLY Faction that would fight among'st it's self is SCUM...

:lol:

After the Emperor's death, the regional governors fought over the remains of the empire. In the EU stuff.

I have no issues at all with it ... cause we are already using ships that cover about sixty some odd years.

I despise mirror matches. There is no excuse for them except in tournaments, which I am also not in love with.

With SCUM you should not see that much anymore, Verity and such is wonderful... oddly enough; the ONLY Faction that would fight among'st it's self is SCUM...

:lol:

After the Emperor's death, the regional governors fought over the remains of the empire. In the EU stuff.

Sure but The Rebellion never did.

EDIT: At least, not that we've seen.

Edited by Captain Lackwit

I count rebel blue-on-blue matches as training exercises.

I could not care less about lore. I am as concerned about mixing OT and TFA ships as I am about whether my queen's dress matches the king's hair in chess.

I think I will be keeping all eras separate. With every wave that has/is coming out it gives the casual player more options to keep it all separate. Now all we need is prequel ships and I'm one happy gamer

I could not care less about lore. I am as concerned about mixing OT and TFA ships as I am about whether my queen's dress matches the king's hair in chess.

You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

I'm not opposed to mixing but I'd have to repaint he ugly tfa paint scheme.

But so far nothing released has impressed me for empire.

In the X-Wing PC games, it was common that newbies would practice in the simulators by flying historical missions that were recorded by legendary pilots of the Alliance. It was not unusual that some of those pilots were dead by then, but still represented in the simulation.

Also, the same mission could be presented with alternative "What if..." scenarios, replacing Y-Wings with B-Wings, for example, putting some live pilots to control some of the imperial ships, or replacing entire squadrons altogether with something else.

It's not a stretch of imagination that the instructor could reconfigure a mission to face rebel ships versus rebel ships, with some AI wingmates representing "historical" pilots that were dead by then.

I could not care less about lore. I am as concerned about mixing OT and TFA ships as I am about whether my queen's dress matches the king's hair in chess.

You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

:)

I have no issues at all with it ... cause we are already using ships that cover about sixty some odd years.

I despise mirror matches. There is no excuse for them except in tournaments, which I am also not in love with.

With SCUM you should not see that much anymore, Verity and such is wonderful... oddly enough; the ONLY Faction that would fight among'st it's self is SCUM...

:lol:

Even if there hasn't been any Mouse-canon to this effect yet, it is reasonable assume there is some sort of flight training simulation for pilots.

Edit: ninja'd by Azrapse

Edited by Duck of Doom

Rebel mirror matches can be seen as one side being actual loyalists to the empire and sleeper agents infiltrating a rebel cell, and the other the actual rebels. Which side is which is up to the players.

Of course Luke vs Luke or Fel vs Fel or whatever can only be seen as a sim, or perhaps the Force creating Lightside/Darkside dopplegangers to fight and see who is stronger. Or whatever. It's a game, and these are just chess pieces.

I would gladly fly Aurek fighters and the as on Hawk next to T-65s AND T-70s.