So I was in a tournament recently and ended up playing a friend who flew his Decimator barely off the board from my perspective. While settling the ship, he wiggled the movement template and got the ship on the board. I called him on it and he threw a fit, insisting it was on and asking if I wanted to beat him that badly. I'm all for games should be fun, not leaving a sour taste afterwards, so I let it slide. He ended up beating me and knocking me out of the prize support.

My question is, how casual should you be? Do you stand firm on your opinion and tantrum be damned, call a TO and have them decide? The general consensus in from those that saw was that my friend plays casual and loose, so wiggles happen, and they couldn't tell if it was off. Also, he's a long time buddy of mine and I don't want to sour that relationship.

That is not being casual that is letting your opponent cheat. Stop letting your opponent cheat.

Its a tourney so every should be playing to be exact. Stuff will happen, ships bumped and opportunities missed and you do the best you can when able to reset as correctly as possible. The ships themselves do have just a bit of wiggle, but not a ton, especially if you are placing it correctly flush with the template. If he got his advantage by not placing it flush, especially in such a tight space where he knows he might go off, then he's doing himself and you a disservice. Ive seen players play very loose with their templates which I mostly let go unless it concerning an asteroid or ship overlap OR near the board edge, but that is all in friendly play. In a tourney I would expect every player to at least follow the rules. In this case, which was it, the slight wiggle that exist or a non-flush base to template?

Flipping out because you flew your ship off the board is hardly flying casual.

Flipping out because you flew your ship off the board is hardly flying casual.

While I agree, at the point he's getting upset the model and template have both been wiggled and adjusted too many times to determine his original start point. Basically, while he settled the figure onto the end of the template, he pushed it hard enough laterally so that it rotated the model and template around his "stabilizing" finger on the template.

How do you resolve an issue when you can't reasonably determine who is correct? I don't want to let him cheat, but I can't prove he is after the fact.

It was one game and the prize support you lost out on was for how much?

Is this bad template laying friend worth more to you than that lost prize support?

What will you do next time it comes up?

Hence my questions Sergovan. We've been friends for ages, which is part of the reason I let him have it. Afterwards I was thinking and I'm not sure it wasn't setting a bad prescident and might inspire more issues in the future.

Basically, I'm cureious what the masses think. Do you let it go? Talk about before next game? Have it out in the store? I don't care about the lost 50$ or whatever it came to, but I'm trying to decide how best to handle it in the future if/when it happens again.

Don't let anyone do that. A true friend would not flip out. Call the judge over.

Had something like that happen last game. Learned that if I feel my opponent might fly off the board have a witness from the beginning. After they wiggled and placed it's his word vs mine. But if the TO witnesses the move I'm good.

No he cheated and you did right to call him on it.

doesnt sound like a friend?? i mean having a ship OFF the board is OFF!! its pretty easy to determine..

I've a friend who does that. Insists on being given leeway all the time, sulks if he isn't, never does same for anyone else. You have to watch them like a hawk(and make sure they know you are), don't give them the opportunity to cheat.

Hence my questions Sergovan. We've been friends for ages, which is part of the reason I let him have it. Afterwards I was thinking and I'm not sure it wasn't setting a bad prescident and might inspire more issues in the future.

Basically, I'm cureious what the masses think. Do you let it go? Talk about before next game? Have it out in the store? I don't care about the lost 50$ or whatever it came to, but I'm trying to decide how best to handle it in the future if/when it happens again.

To answer your question, I would say it comes down to one of two things, depending upon what a conversation about this would end like:

1) You feel your friendship is strong enough that saying something will actually do some good and you can continue playing together.

2) Your friend wouldn't take it well, things could end poorly and cause a rift between you,then dont say anything AND stop playing XWing with him altogether to preserve the friendship!

That's the options I see for you, imho!

Two things...

First the rules are fairly clear on this.

If you can't agree you have the option of rolling dice and let them decide. Or call the TO over and let him decide.

Either way that leads into issue two.

A friend should never behave the way yours did, but either method above means it's not you against him it's someone or thing else that's making the decision.

Usually when I see a close call maneuver coming from my opponent I usually help out by holding the templates, other ship bases, or asteroids down so there is no "slippage." Not offering to help can lead to mistakes being made.

Once the damage is done and things have slipped then it enters the grey area of having to let a TO decide on something that he or she did not witness.

Just follow the main rule of casualness: If it's not clear, it didn't happended.

So I was in a tournament recently and ended up playing a friend who flew his Decimator barely off the board from my perspective. While settling the ship, he wiggled the movement template and got the ship on the board. I called him on it and he threw a fit, insisting it was on and asking if I wanted to beat him that badly. I'm all for games should be fun, not leaving a sour taste afterwards, so I let it slide. He ended up beating me and knocking me out of the prize support.

My question is, how casual should you be? Do you stand firm on your opinion and tantrum be damned, call a TO and have them decide? The general consensus in from those that saw was that my friend plays casual and loose, so wiggles happen, and they couldn't tell if it was off. Also, he's a long time buddy of mine and I don't want to sour that relationship.

I'm kind of a doormat of a person but I've been trying to be more assertive and not allow forgotten triggers and such. If your opponent flies his 60+(!) point deci off the map and cheats with his templates, you tell him, "Yes, I must crush my opponent." and smile and insist that he flew it off the map.

I thing playing in your underwear is way to casual . But that just me.

I have seen a few ships flown from the table at comps before. Every one had a good laugh at it and the game went on

As for adjusting you movement so your Deci stays on the table, that be true pilot skillz .... NOT. Call them on it and call the TO. Every one around you will see what's going on it will be a point of embarrassment for your opponent.

We had a recent mini tournament with a group of friends and one of the guys who was winning K-turned a ship so that just one of the guides on the base was out of play.

They had to look it up, but both agreed that "any part" of the base that is out of play makes it a lost ship.

The guy could have wiggled his ship or template to make sure it was in, but instead, played honest, even though it cost him the game.

I play with my son, who sometimes wiggles a template - not on purpose - but just due to moving too quickly. I remind him when this happens that people will not let him do this in a tournament . I make him suffer the worst case consequences if it is an overlap of a ship or obstacle or even running off the board.

I think if you still want to talk to him as a friend - you should let him know you felt bad about the conflict at the tournament first. Tell him your side and explain that the issue came up due to the fact that he played loose - as witnessed by other players. Your role as a friend is to help him play better and pointing this out is for his benefit and not because you want to win badly. If you play casual games together - tell him you are going to hold him to that standard from now on, so he will be best prepared to play future tournaments against strangers.

If he can't take that as honest feedback, then that is his issue, but I think you should address it if you are concerned enough to ask here.

Thank you for all the feedback.

Definitely think next time we play I'll start with a "This is a game of millimeters and we need to try and be as precise as we can." Then point it out when we play to try and retrain him without being combative.

Generally speaking, maneuvering near the edge of the board is interesting because there's the chance that an error can lead to instant death. If you start giving people leeway, it makes the edge the same as any other part of the board, except it's free of obstacles. Keep the edge interesting!

In regards to your specific case, anything other than executing a maneuver with scrupulous care at the edge is poor form. If a player is sloppy in such a way that it's impossible to determine the status of the ship, the sporting thing for the sloppy player to do is give the benefit of the doubt to their opponent and treat the ship as destroyed.

In regards to your specific case, anything other than executing a maneuver with scrupulous care at the edge is poor form. If a player is sloppy in such a way that it's impossible to determine the status of the ship, the sporting thing for the sloppy player to do is give the benefit of the doubt to their opponent and treat the ship as destroyed.

The same thing goes with landed on obstacles or crashing into other ships.

In our FLGS tournament last month, I played against a guy who was moving his Fel in close to an asteroid near my Vader (who had a stress token). When he placed Fel at the end of the maneuver, the front of his base (facing my side of the table) was both on top of my stress token and the asteroid token. I told him I thought he was on the asteroid and he flat out denied it. Before I could call over the TO or even have him come look from my side of the table, he slid my stress token out from under Fel's base without moving the ship first, causing the ship to fall off of the asteroid token and bump it over so that his ship was no longer on top of it. I said something again, noting that he moved the asteroid with the edge of his base to avoid being on it, which he again flat out denied. I'm as laid back as there is when it comes to winning games but I started to get really annoyed that he just flat out denied anything that I saw, essentially calling me a liar right to my face. Before I could get mad, I realized it's just a game and I told him it's not worth being angry over, let's just move on.

I ended up winning the game anyway, but I was still bothered by the incident. I'm the type of player that always gives my opponent the benefit of the doubt when it comes to my ships and gameplay.