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We have Z-95's zooming around with T-65's so yes we may as well have T-70's too.

Plus it's STAR WARS... all great, all the time. Even the Prequel ships are cool... and may be in the game in a few more years... Chris just stated that they are working to figure that out with The Mouse!

Who's Chris? And where is this possible confirmation? A few years is a long wait though...

Chris is the CEO of FFG. He talked about it in his GEN CON Report... check it out.

Do you know about where in the video he mentions it? It's a long video...

He talks about it in the last 15 minutes or so.

If we want era restrictions, the best way to do it would be to have "In Service" dates for each type of ship. You can then specify for a given event whether squadron lists be All Eras, or give a year that the event is set in. If the event is set in a given year, then you can only select ships that were in service during that year.

For the above idea, it's too late to cook it into the core rules, but that doesn't stop you from researching the various ship types on wookiepedia or similar and coming up with your own chart of ships.

So Prequel ships would go with Rebel,

Rebel with Resistance,

Resistance with New Republic?

Personally i think it would add to the depth of the game a little more as one would be forced to choose what combos to fly.

Cheers Varred

The New Republic and the Resistance seem to be contemporary with one another.

I believe that Star Wars Episode 7 ships should not be in the X-Wing game. (Though I believe the FFG had no choice in the matter!) These ships are separated in time from the OT as the OT is from the prequels. There are many more ships from the same era that could be explored.

To me, it’s like playing a WWI air combat game using WWII air craft.

What is everyone opinion?

P.S. Should be it's own game.

This won't be a contentious thread at all!

I'd rather it was it's own game. Or at least, it's own subgame. I recognize there was no practical way to do this though. Probably not nearly enough ships to float a Force Awakens X-Wing subgame on it's own. But now we're getting these ships flying around alongside OT ships, and it doesn't make sense unless the game is set in the new trilogy, and the old ships are just hanging out.

Might as well bring in the Prequel ships too now.

I believe that Star Wars Episode 7 ships should not be in the X-Wing game. (Though I believe the FFG had no choice in the matter!) These ships are separated in time from the OT as the OT is from the prequels. There are many more ships from the same era that could be explored.

To me, it’s like playing a WWI air combat game using WWII air craft.

What is everyone opinion?

P.S. Should be it's own game.

And before you say "no" remember that the U2 predates Vietnam.

Yes. Next question please.

next let's debate why I think the sky shouldn't be blue

Because the red sky at night is a shepherd's delight?

Hell yes. The game is called X-Wing. There's a new X-Wing on the block. FFG would be insane not to bring it into the game.

While I absolute abhor the way episode 7 was added into X-wing, it is now a part of X-wing and it is here to stay for the benefit or determent of X-wing (T-65 ).

No more so than Clone Wars ships.

No more so than Clone Wars ships.

I'd actually will go out on a dare and say I think the Clone Wars ships have more rights to agency in X-wing than ships from Rebels have.

I believe that Star Wars Episode 7 ships should not be in the X-Wing game. (Though I believe the FFG had no choice in the matter!) These ships are separated in time from the OT as the OT is from the prequels. There are many more ships from the same era that could be explored.

To me, it’s like playing a WWI air combat game using WWII air craft.

What is everyone opinion?

P.S. Should be it's own game.

I think you are looking at it backwards.

If after 30 years they Galactic Civil War is still going on.

The battle of Jakku happened one year after the battle of Endor,

But look at the difference in technology between the two

TIE fighters, after 30 years they look basically the same,

so much so that FFG can use the same sculpt.

It's not at all like comparing WWI fighters and WW2 fighters.

Even if the two world wars were about 30 years apart also,

the technology advanced much much more in those 30 years.

The Red Barons plane and a Spitfire is not at all the same

comparison as a Battle of Endor TIE and a First Order TIE.

Yes they are older TIEs but if you are hard pressed for resources,

your fighters designs are going to show much less improvement,

and your old fighters are going to be in the mix with the new.

If you said it was a scenario like the Battle of Endor or Battle of Yavin,

then you are correct, in such a scenario you reference the faction

symbols that are on the pilot cards and restrict ships in that way.

But not if the battle is a current one, where there are left over old TIEs.

Would Howlrunner be alive after 30 years? IDK, but I think the best answers

would come from Harrison Ford or Carrie Fisher.

E-Wing is 30 years post-Endor. So is the K-Wing. Those are both New Republic era ships. The TIE Defender, depending on which source material you cite, can be up to 20 years post Endor.

The Z-95 is a clone wars era ship.

So unless you want to section off every ship made in different eras like in Flames of War or something into it's own seperate game(logistically and functionally over complicated, near impossible, and would reduce the game to a shadow of it's former diversity), then no.

Absolutely nothing about X-Wing has ever stressed canon as being something important. Why do people care now? I mean, really. If we were to section off the new Ep. VII ships into it's own game, then literally nobody would ever buy the new ships. It would be endless T-70 versus TIE/FO battles because no other Ep. VII ships are being released. I'm not going to sugarcoat my opinion, this is literally the worst idea i've heard regarding the new core set.

E-Wing is 30 years post-Endor. So is the K-Wing. Those are both New Republic era ships.

True - but they entered service a lot earlier - and coexisted with much older designs. Y-Wings were still being used some time after the K-Wing entered service.

E-Wing is 30 years post-Endor. So is the K-Wing. Those are both New Republic era ships.

True - but they entered service a lot earlier - and coexisted with much older designs. Y-Wings were still being used some time after the K-Wing entered service.

The thing is we don't know how long the T-70s have existed. For all we know, they were made 15 years post Endor and have spent the time between their creation and the start of Episode VII phasing out all the older ships like the T-65.

Or T-70s are flying with older ships as well. But ultimately that's not really the point. The canon doesn't mean anything in X-Wing. I'm not sure if this is some kind of misguided attempt at "protecting" the canon of Star Wars(Legends isn't even canon anymore anyways, so really the same argument can be said against Legends now), or some kind of salty scheme to try and convince people not to allow Episode VII ships into local games because they think they're OP or something. Purely speculation on my part of course, but those are the only two things that make sense.

I remember some of the adverts for the Star Wars Miniatures game (little comic strips) actually making a point of how you can use characters from eras hundreds or even thousands of years apart - in the same battles.

Maybe we should think of X-wing matchups the same way.

I remember some of the adverts for the Star Wars Miniatures game (little comic strips) actually making a point of how you can use characters from eras hundreds or even thousands of years apart - in the same battles.

Maybe we should think of X-wing matchups the same way.

This is one of the best parts of the game, IMO. You can bring whatever and it works just fine. No one yells at you about 'thematic'. I don't think Ep7 needs to be separated from the rest- the ships are pointed reasonably given their improvements over the originals.

Its fine to have the old ships flying around with the new ones for a few reasons.

Pretty sure there was one interview where someone from ffg said x-wing wasnt a narative game therefor they could get away with using non-canon characters unlike imperial assault wich is a narative game where their telling stories and where they have much bigger restrictions on the characters they can put into it. So its fine to have Biggs team up with Poe against the Emporer on the Raider.

I dont realy think you can take WW1&2 and use the red barron vs spitfire argument for starwars and x-wing. Technology in starwars seems to progress abit more slowly then WW1 to WW2 and we still have the Falcon (An old ship by OT starndards) flying about with all these new ties. There are plenty of periods of time where war hardly changed at all for hundreds of years. Wernt old WW1 style biplanes used for training and some recon missions in WW2? Even the Polish used calvery against German tanks.

All the arguments against the new ships its just old man talk not wanting these new fangled kids toy on their lawn.

If you want narative in your games of X-wing your kinda gotta put that in yourself and plenty of people are happy just to do that just as plenty of people are happy just to say sod it and mix up their ships. All just personal taste really.

I believe that Star Wars Episode 7 ships should not be in the X-Wing game. (Though I believe the FFG had no choice in the matter!) These ships are separated in time from the OT as the OT is from the prequels. There are many more ships from the same era that could be explored.

To me, it’s like playing a WWI air combat game using WWII air craft.

What is everyone opinion?

P.S. Should be it's own game.

Except that technology does not advance quickly in the Galaxy. 3 decades between Naboo and Yavin showed no obvious advances in any tech, just the scale at which it was employed or the role the technology is used for. Individual models of ships will come and go due to the tastes of this or that generation or their military needs at the time.

And in the case of all the 'super TIEs' like Defenders and Phantoms, those ships never saw wide spread use or sustained manufacturing due to their factories being destroyed during war and resources being diverted for other projects. If things had been different we might be seeing second or third generation Defender models with modest differences in design related to correcting any flaws in the original or adapting to changing needs in combat (removing shields for more manueverability and power to engines or adding new systems for scouting and raids)

B-52 first flight 1952!! versions of it are STILL in service with the USAF. many Of the USAF F-15s are 30 years old! 16s are mid 20s.. Once the big tech advancements are made the jumps in performance are smaller and smaller. kind of like the old 1/2 the distance to the goal line analogy. when you are on the 20 yard line its a 10 yard leap. but when you are all ready on the 1 its 1/2 a yard... Same way with Star wars upgrades except the tech has been around for thousands of years.. just my 3 cents...

Should the episode 7 ships be in X-Wing?

Yes.

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It's Star Wars -- the old & new mix nicely. We have the Firespray in the prequels and OT in X-wing; we have the E-wing from the late EU with OT ships in X-wing. So why not EVII? Look, I'm not a fan of the prequels, but I even think there should be prequel ships in X-wing (I'd like to see them as separate factions, though).

Should the episode 7 ships be in X-Wing?

Yes./threadIt's Star Wars -- the old & new mix nicely. We have the Firespray in the prequels and OT in X-wing; we have the E-wing from the late EU with OT ships in X-wing. So why not EVII? Look, I'm not a fan of the prequels, but I even think there should be prequel ships in X-wing (I'd like to see them as separate factions, though).

Sub factions are a thing now, mostly out of necessity since we have only one or two ships know in those new factions. With the PT the two main factions are very well fleshed out with three movies and the CW cartoons as well as other media. Republic and Seperatists could be launched during two or three waves just by themselves, and even include new versions of he Z-95 and BTL-B like the TIE/fo and T-70. Tipperary has laid out a VERY thought out and extensive plan to release the PT ships in his Good, Bad and Ugly thread.

But look at the difference in technology between the two

TIE fighters, after 30 years they look basically the same,

so much so that FFG can use the same sculpt.

They didn't though. The TIE/FO is a different model than the TIE Fighter.