Now I want to quote the giant graphic too.

Too late. I beat ya to it!! hehe

Just some visual evidence that Netrunner is LCG king.

I wonder if they will release some piecharts for Netrunner in same way like they did for AGoT. I don't think so, becasue nobody loves yellow.

I need more than just a world championships where LotR wasn't even a part of and a setting that rewards the more competitive lcgs/miniature games. I need to see general consumption of each lcg by a general gaming population rather than a very small collection of competitive players.

What's reasonable? Pumping tournament stuff twice?

I'm exemplary competetive player. For now i paid 30$ for 165 cards in any A:NR Deluxe Expansion. With latest box i had to pay 60$ for 163 cards because i really don't care about stickers and this campaign crap. Is it ok?

What's next? 90$ for 160 cards expansion with poster and pink XXXL t-shirt?

Once again, kempy is aghast that a company doesn't merchandise explicitly for kempy.

If you don't want the "campaign crap," don't buy the cards.

And voila they decided to lower price from to 60$ to 40$. So production costs magically decreased by 30% or first version was just shameless jump on the money? Maybe sometimes is worth to be loud about these idiotic and greedy ideas.

And voila they decided to lower price from to 60$ to 40$. So production costs magically decreased by 30% or first version was just shameless jump on the money? Maybe sometimes is worth to be loud about these idiotic and greedy ideas.

Or their partnership with Asmodee (or profit from their stupidly profitable Star Wars lines, or both, or others) is allowing them to finally reduce price-point offerings to the public. Or they recently renegotiated their contract with their Chinese publisher (or found a new one), perhaps due to Asmodee's additional business flow, which allows them to lower their prices on products. There's a couple of perfectly valid business reasons which might be applying here beyond "shameless jump on the money". Do you have any evidence to back your claim up beyond wanting to believe that FFG's business line should cater to kempy's demands, as ever?

And voila they decided to lower price from to 60$ to 40$. So production costs magically decreased by 30% or first version was just shameless jump on the money? Maybe sometimes is worth to be loud about these idiotic and greedy ideas.

Or their partnership with Asmodee (or profit from their stupidly profitable Star Wars lines, or both, or others) is allowing them to finally reduce price-point offerings to the public. Or they recently renegotiated their contract with their Chinese publisher (or found a new one), perhaps due to Asmodee's additional business flow, which allows them to lower their prices on products. There's a couple of perfectly valid business reasons which might be applying here beyond "shameless jump on the money". Do you have any evidence to back your claim up beyond wanting to believe that FFG's business line should cater to kempy's demands, as ever?

Show me other card game product they announced in last 3 months that price meanwhile have been changed -30%.

Do you mean announced as in development, coming soon, being released soon, already released, or what? Why just 3 months? Did you only mean lcgs/ccgs? Or other games that use cards?

Or, it could've just have been a typo or mistake, which is not uncommon on their website.

Yeah, $60 for the box of 163 cards just seems like a mistake, and $40 a correction much more consistent with similar products.

Or, it could've just have been a typo or mistake, which is not uncommon on their website.

It was there too long as for just common mistake. Especially after some buzz considering this prize.

Or they haven't decided on what's actually going to be in the game? Do we even know how along they are in development? I'll wait till we get some news on the core set and I hope others will too.

Or they haven't decided on what's actually going to be in the game? Do we even know how along they are in development? I'll wait till we get some news on the core set and I hope others will too.

I was not talking about L5R Core Set but about Netrunner Deluxe expansion that was priced initially as 60$ with less competetive cards like in standard 30$ DE.

So, non-competitive cards make everything worth less? Certainly to competitive players but how much of a percentage are "competitive" players compared to non-competitive players? Why are non-competitive players worth less than competitive ones?

Just seems like catering to a small minority of players isn't the best answer. Maybe I just prefer a balance of "competitive" cards, fun cards, and cool, story/flavor cards.

Gaffa is pretty much right, kempy and sparks duh are still sour for the purchase of the game they think they have exclusive right to in every way. you two are also plain wrong in most of your arguments, mainly lcg costs, logical fallacies and above all, the fact that l5r was going down the hill in every way fast and needed a change asap.

its not coming back. its changing. it really is for the better. no matter how sad you guys are, the world is changing. lets see how ffg deals with it.

I hope they will keep the lore important and the feel of l5r with streamlined rules and keywords which were really out of control.

Double

I hope...

And you're even not sure.

I was largely unaware of L5R's demise. While I wasn't exactly looking for it. As I'm more the RPG player at heart and I just buy books online. Other places I frequented often had L5r threads and a large IRC community so it never really vanished in my circle. Though now I'm in the middle of a minor clan game with homebrew clans.

When I did find out it was a big shock, I kind of wanted more information regarding some of the canon minor clans and well, I found out it was gone. I was told FFG bought the rights and hope the RPG as well as the card games get some kind of attention.

Gaffa is pretty much right, kempy and sparks duh are still sour for the purchase of the game they think they have exclusive right to in every way.

Wait what??? Don't think you know how I feel about the sale of the game. I had no illusions that L5R was going downhill. Just based on tournament attendance alone, people knew the game was dying. I'm not a fan of the LCG model. Everyone knows this. I am, however, a fan of FFG games and their mechanics. I've played a few of them and found them quite enjoyable. I am just not a fan of the distribution model of LCGs. Hell, the game only came out 2 months ago and I'm loving the Star Wars: Destiny game! But it IS a CCG and not an LCG. I think FFG buying L5R was one of the best moves for the game in the long run and I believe that FFG has every intention on making the game great because you don't just buy an IP and not try and do something with it. And just because I don't like the LCG model doesn't mean I won't try the game out to see if I like the mechanics, the fun, and balance to get over the whole not liking LCG thing. I love L5R. It's been a part of my life for a long time and I am willing to give it a try under FFG design.

And yes. The CCG model is also cheaper. That argument is not false. Sorry to bust your bubble. Pick any LCG and tell me what it costs you to get a full play set of the core set. I have a full play set of the Star Wars: Destiny core set and I have made money from it. You are out what?? $60-$80 buying a LCG core set? Whatever... I'm done trying to argue this with people.

From what I see, I usually see people talking about the price of a full playset of an lcg with the price of a deck in another game.

So I will take you up on that. I don't believe that that the full playset of the most recent MTG block is cheaper than the lcg counterpart.

I usually see people comparing apples and oranges. And on one level I don't blame them. Because with the lcg you get potentially useless cards and it is annoying to have bought something you know you won't use. So it's easier and cheaper to buy cards piecemeal which is where the notion of ccg being cheaper comes from. At least from what I see.

However in my opinion I still think it could be cheaper to get into an lcg and get full playsets than buying a top tier magic deck. And then you also get variation and other cards.

It just seems like people, in general, are talking about buying a complete and customizable board game (lcg) or one or two complete, specific decks. (ccg)

Obviously the popularity of the ccg skews prices.

It just seems like people, in general, are talking about buying a complete and customizable board game (lcg) or one or two complete, specific decks. (ccg)

[...]

Obviously the popularity of the ccg skews prices.

And LCG people tend always make same logical error - they ALWAYS put MtG as an example of costs which is... unfair. I will never ever go into MtG becasue of prices, but i found L5R CCG was at excellent price level for me.

It just seems like people, in general, are talking about buying a complete and customizable board game (lcg) or one or two complete, specific decks. (ccg)

[...]

Obviously the popularity of the ccg skews prices.

And LCG people tend always make same logical error - they ALWAYS put MtG as an example of costs which is... unfair. I will never ever go into MtG becasue of prices, but i found L5R CCG was at excellent price level for me.

What? It's unfair to compare a something against its most successful competitor?...

It just seems like people, in general, are talking about buying a complete and customizable board game (lcg) or one or two complete, specific decks. (ccg)

[...]

Obviously the popularity of the ccg skews prices.

And LCG people tend always make same logical error - they ALWAYS put MtG as an example of costs which is... unfair. I will never ever go into MtG becasue of prices, but i found L5R CCG was at excellent price level for me.

What? It's unfair to compare a something against its most successful competitor?...

Only that I didn't compare LCGs to MtG. I compared it to another game made by FFG but happens to be a CCG instead of an LCG. I got a full play set of the core CCG and got money back for my purchase. A FULL PLAYSET!!! Not just a deck or two. You will never EVER get that kind of return with an LCG. Sorry.

Gaffa is pretty much right, kempy and sparks duh are still sour for the purchase of the game they think they have exclusive right to in every way.

... And yes. The CCG model is also cheaper.

You can't exclude mtg. It's a competitor to the new lcg and all other card games. You can't say "cheaper than ccgs" and the turn around and say "I didn't say (the ccg) magic"

You can't have it both ways.

Gaffa is pretty much right, kempy and sparks duh are still sour for the purchase of the game they think they have exclusive right to in every way.

... And yes. The CCG model is also cheaper.

What? You literally said ccg is cheaper than lcg.

You can't exclude mtg. It's a competitor to the new lcg and all other card games. You can't say "cheaper than ccgs" and the turn around and say "I didn't say (the ccg) magic"

You can't have it both ways.

Sure I can. I don't play Magic. the two CCGs I have played (L5R and Destiny) were cheaper than any LCG I have ever played. So in my own personal experience, CCGs are cheaper than LCGs. What's hard to understand here?

What's hard to understand is that you are equivocating your personal experience with the reality of the market and then say that ccg s are cheaper and that's a "fact".

If you are not going to include or compare the market as a whole, when talking about the market as a whole, then let the reader know you're ACTUALLY talking about your own experience, which is not the market as a whole.

You do see how those are 2 different things and that it is disingenuous to claim either as the other, right?