after an intense brainstorming session with the atlanta x-wing group, i came up with these titles to potentially fix the X-wing

By nikk whyte, in X-Wing

Rogue Leader (unique) x-wing only - you may only equip this upgrade if your shield value is less than 3. when attacking or defending, you may reroll 1 die for every x wing at range 1-2. 1 point.

Rogue Squadron x wing only - you may only equip this upgrade if your shield value is less than 3. at the start of the combat phase, if you are at range 1-2 of a ship with the "rogue leader" title, you may perform one free action from your action bar. 0 points.

they work best in numbers, and their strength goes down as they die. super thematic and rogue leader can even benefit from the T-70's being around.

I like it, sounds good!

If there's going to be an X-Wing title it's going to be for both X-Wings. I find the "shield value less than 3" requirement to be a bit silly.

It'll be hard to come up with something that works on both ships and doesn't automatically make you want to choose the T-70 over the T-65, but if you have an X-Wing only title it needs to be on both.

Why would the Rogue Leader only get to be the rogue Leader if he only had two shields? Doesn't make any sense.

"Sorry sir, you can't be the leader of Rogue Group today."

"Why not?"

*Points at ship* "Too many shields..."

"By golly you're right."

Free actions are as good as your action bar.

Biggs would always be rogue leader.

If there's going to be an X-Wing title it's going to be for both X-Wings. I find the "shield value less than 3" requirement to be a bit silly.

It'll be hard to come up with something that works on both ships and doesn't automatically make you want to choose the T-70 over the T-65, but if you have an X-Wing only title it needs to be on both.

The whole point of the debate the OP is referring to was to find a reason to still use the T-65. The T-70 doesn't need help. So the "shield value less than 3" requirement was his method of preventing the "X-Wing" title from applying to a "T-70 X-Wing", since partial matches are kosher for upgrade limitations.

It does make sense to differentiate the two, because either you're pulling directly from two different eras that have different environments, or you're saying "This pilot right here has the experience and the skills to fly a 30 year old version of the X-Wing as well or better than we fly our brand new ones".

But if you insist that anything that applies to the T-65 has to apply to the T-70, then obviously we have to apply it retroactively to the Z-95 that the T-65 was based on too, right? New "Gotta have this" Missile upgrade? Better give the X-Wings a missile slot, because it wouldn't be right that they can't have them while the Z-95 can just because the X-Wings replaced their missile launchers with torpedoes.

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I don't think the titles suggested are the right buff for the T-65, but perhaps now more than ever it's painfully obvious that the ship needs one to remain relevant.

Edited by jjayers99

I had not considered Biggs being rogue leader. While powerful, he should still fall to focused fire, like every other shi with solid reroll capabilities.

More importantly, these titles fix a number of issues with the x wing - ordnance becomes wildly usable, you can take target locks at the start of combat and Dave those focus for defense. You can slap R7's on everything and become a wildly defensive swarm.

The only thing it doesn't fix is post maneuver movements, which the x-wing doesn't need.