FFG may want to change the requirement from x-wing only to X-wing or T-70 X-wing only. That way we won't have so many TIE Advanced V1s with X1 Title and ATC...

Not again! The new rulebook says that in order to use a restricted title the entirety of the restriction has to appear on the ships name. Even the TAP dial says "Adv." so RAW is covered. It should also be clear that this is the intention, because if the TAP would be able to use the x1 title that would mean it was unplayable out of the box, which is idiotic.

FFG may want to change the requirement from x-wing only to X-wing or T-70 X-wing only. That way we won't have so many TIE Advanced V1s with X1 Title and ATC...

Say what..?

Seriously i don't get what Your problem here:D

Not again! The new rulebook says that in order to use a restricted title the entirety of the restriction has to appear on the ships name. Even the TAP dial says "Adv." so RAW is covered. It should also be clear that this is the intention, because if the TAP would be able to use the x1 title that would mean it was unplayable out of the box, which is idiotic.

That's a bit shady but I see the logic, Adv.Advanced arguments abound though.

Honestly I would have made the requirement X-wing /T-70 xwing to remove all doubt, because TIE Advanced and TIE Adv. Prototype are equally similar.

It would have been easier, but I don't think it is needed. This is more similar to the TIE only upgrade than the Advanced fix.

Except it isn't. The only difference is that one is a title, the other a modification. Both have a blanket statement of "X-wing" or "TIE Advanced" only. Now, I will agree with your original post regarding the wording, though I admit I've not had time to read the new rulebook yet. The entirety wording does makes sense. My problem is that among my friends I play with some real pain in the ass RAW rules lawyers.

FAQ WHERE ARE YOU!!!

Not again! The new rulebook says that in order to use a restricted title the entirety of the restriction has to appear on the ships name. Even the TAP dial says "Adv." so RAW is covered. It should also be clear that this is the intention, because if the TAP would be able to use the x1 title that would mean it was unplayable out of the box, which is idiotic.

Then explain how these titles, which say "Raider-class corvette aft section" ...

...can be played on this pilot card, which says "Raider-class Corv. (aft)":

Either those titles can't be played on any ship that currently exists in the game, or the TIE/x1 title can be played on the forthcoming "TIE Adv. Prototype." It can't be both and still be logical.

Because the abbreviation happens at the end of the name instead of the middle?

Yeah I know I've been avoiding this can of worms as a topic, but it's something FFG can and should FAQ the absolute death out of.

no FAQ needed. seriously..?

the 65 is an xwing, the 70 is, too.

so I can use it on both.

now, the tie/adv and the TAP .. I can see it go both ways; RAW is pretty clear, but I'm not sure if it is intended that way and wait for a FAQ just to be on the safe side of things.

the intention of the astromech-mod is pretty clear, though.

Not again! The new rulebook says that in order to use a restricted title the entirety of the restriction has to appear on the ships name. Even the TAP dial says "Adv." so RAW is covered. It should also be clear that this is the intention, because if the TAP would be able to use the x1 title that would mean it was unplayable out of the box, which is idiotic.

Then explain how these titles, which say "Raider-class corvette aft section" ...

...can be played on this pilot card, which says "Raider-class Corv. (aft)":

Either those titles can't be played on any ship that currently exists in the game, or the TIE/x1 title can be played on the forthcoming "TIE Adv. Prototype." It can't be both and still be logical.

Yep, RAW it is illegal to equip the Raider titles. You could argue with the dial here, though, and since epic tournaments aren't really a thing you can just go and house rule it until the FAQ hits. This is an issue of the Raider being designed way earlier than the TAP and FFG not anticipating the trouble.

Now for an actually interesting rules question regarding Intergrated Astro: If you discard R2-D6, do you lose your Elite upgrade with the slot or does it just stay? Gut feeling is you would lose the upgrade, but we don't have any example of your squad becoming illegal during play yet.

No way am I being lured into punching that particular scarecrow again.

Because the abbreviation happens at the end of the name instead of the middle?

But also look at how the aft is identified. The titles say "aft section" while the pilot card says "(aft)." So that's different, too. It's not just about the Corv./corvette thing.

No way am I being lured into punching that particular scarecrow again.

Well I mean, you're already here, so...

There is no doubt. Both the X-Wing and the T70 X-Wing contain the entirety of the condition "X-Wing", without any question of argument. The ADV vs Advanced debate actually has some merit, and actually warrants a ruling from FFG regarding weather or not abbreviations technically count as being the same as the full word. The X-Wing however has no such abbreviation and there is absolutely no confusion.

I accept that answer.

In the end there is no bad blood here, just an important discussion about an issue that requires FAQ one way or another. I not mad at people thinking the V1 will be able to be an x1, in the end they may be right. I just think that it is not likely. But yeah, that discussion has been had to death even befor I joined the forums and I think we pretty much have all the arguments. Keeping it up would just doom us to repeat ourselves until an FAQ hits.

Not again! The new rulebook says that in order to use a restricted title the entirety of the restriction has to appear on the ships name. Even the TAP dial says "Adv." so RAW is covered. It should also be clear that this is the intention, because if the TAP would be able to use the x1 title that would mean it was unplayable out of the box, which is idiotic.

Then explain how these titles, which say "Raider-class corvette aft section" ...

Is the section requirement not met by the rulebook talking about multiple card ships? \

Also argument for X1 working on the Prototype seems pretty moot when the Proto comes with it's own title card calling it a tie advanced prototype only. Prototype is part of the name of the ship unlike a model number like the T-70

Why the *bleep* couldn't they have just called the TAP the TIE Prototype?

Also argument for X1 working on the Prototype seems pretty moot when the Proto comes with it's own title card calling it a tie advanced prototype only. Prototype is part of the name of the ship unlike a model number like the T-70

Because no other ship has multiple titles....

But the TAP is not what is being addressed here, it's the two X-wings. Yes, there are TWO X-wings now. Just as there are 8 (soon to be 9) TIEs.

Is the section requirement not met by the rulebook talking about multiple card ships? \

Also argument for X1 working on the Prototype seems pretty moot when the Proto comes with it's own title card calling it a tie advanced prototype only. Prototype is part of the name of the ship unlike a model number like the T-70

So you're saying that one card that calls out part of a ship's name (assuming we ignore that ship's abbreviation) shouldn't be applicable to that ship because there exists a more specific card that calls out all of that ship's name?

Then explain this:

There exists TIE Advanced and TIE Adv. Prototype title cards, which are more specific than "TIE" on the Twin Ion Engine Mk. II upgrade. Does that mean the TIE Advanced and the TIE Adv. Prototype can't take Twin Ion Engine Mk. II because there exists more specific upgrade cards?

Why the *bleep* couldn't they have just called the TAP the TIE Prototype?

Because it's not the prototype of TIE fighters.

It's the prototype of the TIE Advanced.

Just adding the new rules mentioned in passing above, but perhaps not so explicit as some would like - just to save people having to go elsewhere to source them...

On Page 20 of the new rules, under the heading, "UPGRADE CARDS", there is a list of upgrade card types. In the itemized list that follows, describing various kinds of upgrade cards, one item in particular (which is referred to above, though not explicitly), is for Ship-type only upgrades:

Ship-type only: This upgrade can only be equipped to a ship of the specified type. If the ship’s type includes the entirety of the restricted type, it can equip that upgrade. For example, a TIE/fo fighter can equip an Upgrade card restricted to “TIE Fighter only.”

EDIT: I am not adding anything new to this discussion at this point context wise; rather I am just adding this content, as a public service, so people don't have to go look it up.

Is the section requirement not met by the rulebook talking about multiple card ships? \

Also argument for X1 working on the Prototype seems pretty moot when the Proto comes with it's own title card calling it a tie advanced prototype only. Prototype is part of the name of the ship unlike a model number like the T-70

So you're saying that one card that calls out part of a ship's name (assuming we ignore that ship's abbreviation) shouldn't be applicable to that ship because there exists a more specific card that calls out all of that ship's name?

Then explain this:

There exists TIE Advanced and TIE Adv. Prototype title cards, which are more specific than "TIE" on the Twin Ion Engine Mk. II upgrade. Does that mean the TIE Advanced and the TIE Adv. Prototype can't take Twin Ion Engine Mk. II because there exists more specific upgrade cards?

I think the idea is that the text comprising the restriction, (in this case the word "TIE") must be found (in its entirety) in the ship type.

That would mean that any ship whose ship type includes the word "TIE", could use the Twin Ion Engine Mk II.

Likewise, as the quote from the rules in my previous comment indicates, the TIE/FO FIGHTER, since it includes the full text, "TIE FIGHTER" in its ship type, can use any upgrade that is restricted to the "TIE FIGHTER" ship types.