Lightning Reflexes clarification

By zerotc, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Couldn't find a topic that answered this, but sorry if it's already been covered.

1. Can you still use Lightning Reflexes if you bump into another ship or overlap an asteroid?

2. Can you use Lightning Reflexes after being ioned and moving 1-straight?

swx32_lightning_reflexes_card.png

1. Since it is not an action, I don't see why not.

2. Since it doesn't say "reveal a dial/maneuver" then again, why not?

So, from what I read, yes to both.

I'd say yes on 1 and mabye on 2.

If you don't have a white 1 on your dial, then defenetly no. If you do have it, the question is, did you execute the maneuver on your dial or just a maneuver that happen to be identical to one on your dial. I'm not sure on this.

I'm actually leaning towards 'no' on 2- the Ion Tokens reference says to '[move] the ship as if it were assigned a white forward one'; you didn't execute a white maneuver from your dial at all. Does that make sense to anyone else?

[[Edit: And, in fact, you don't have a dial assigned to that ship that turn, thus cannot have executed from your dial.]]

Edited by Farwalker

I'd think yes for question 1, due to it not being an action.

Also, I'd agree with a No for 2, exactly for what Farwalker states - you're not using a dial for an Ion move, just moving as though you had one.

I see no restriction against 1.

I see no way that I can reconcile "does not place a maneuver dial" with "execute a ... maneuver on your dial."

Yeah LR defo says executed on your dial, and so I'd say even if you have a 1-forward on your dial, if you were ion'ed you didn't do THAT 1-forward.

You just did an assigned 1-forward. Your dial wasn't involved at all.

People are following the perceived intent more than the actual rules for questions 2.

Lightning Reflexes (LR) requires your ship to "execute a white or green maneuver on [the ship's dial]." If you do a white 1 forward and you have a white one forward on your ship's dial, then, as per the language on the card, LR can be used. The rules for LR do not reference choosing a maneuver or any thing else to do with a dial other than having the maneuver executed on the dial, which is a constant and has nothing to do with being ioned.

The test for whether or not LR can be used is simple:

1) Did you execute a white or green maneuver?

2) Is that maneuver on your dial?

If you respond affirmatively to both, then you can use LR.

The test for whether or not LR can be used is simple:

1) Did you execute a white or green maneuver?

2) Is that maneuver on your dial?

If you respond affirmatively to both, then you can use LR.

Bearing in mind that the colour must match as well as the speed and heading. If your ship has a green straight-1, then the Ion effect's white straight-1 will not satisfy the requirements for LR (unless you have an R2 Astromech or some other way to change the Ion maneuver's colour).

1. Yes

2. No. You need a dial and you get no dial with the ion movement.

2. No. You need a dial and you get no dial with the ion movement.

Care to justify your imposition of that requirement with something other than opinion or a conclusion?

Rules Reference, Page 4, last bullet in the first column.

Rules Reference, Page 4, last bullet in the first column.

I checked the rules and the FAQ, but it doesn't look like the right place. Can you provide a link or quote?

He's referencing the rules reference guide that comes with the Force Awakens core set.

Rules Reference, Page 4, last bullet in the first column.

I checked the rules and the FAQ, but it doesn't look like the right place. Can you provide a link or quote?

"If a ship does not reveal a maneuver dial when it becomes the active ship during this phase, such as due to the effect of being ionized, it does not trigger any abilities related to maneuver dials."

That seems pretty clear - no triggering Lightning Reflexes off of the ion maneuver.

He's referencing the rules reference guide that comes with the Force Awakens core set.

And FYI these are availabe online, which is where I checked this as I don't own a physical copy yet.

He's referencing the rules reference guide that comes with the Force Awakens core set.

And FYI these are availabe online, which is where I checked this as I don't own a physical copy yet.

Case closed! Thanks for your answers, everyone.