34 minutes ago, Benjan Meruna said:

While that's still stupid in my opinion, I'm glad it was a one-time deal.

Oh, thank.. whatever. Just so glad this was a one time thing, but I agree with you Benjan, utterly stupid and so cringe-worthy...

6 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

I can give Rey a little more of a handwave since she'd not only seen but felt what it was like to have a Force user shove his way inside her head.

But did they haze the Inquisitors by saying, "Hey...just for giggles, every once in a while, try using your spinning sabers to fly," and it just happened to work on Malachor?

Heh heh. I like the fact this was potentially a wind-up: "Yeah, you can totally use your spinning lightsaber to fly on Malachor" says one of the inquisitors to another... later: "Holy crap, that actually worked?!"

1 hour ago, MDR101 said:

Oh, thank.. whatever. Just so glad this was a one time thing, but I agree with you Benjan, utterly stupid and so cringe-worthy...

I kind of have to disagree, while did not care for it, it seems like the kids loved it, which is fine imho. The show is for the kids first and for the adult fans second.

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

I kind of have to disagree, while did not care for it, it seems like the kids loved it, which is fine imho. The show is for the kids first and for the adult fans second.

Yeah, it served its purpose: allow a way for the Inquisitors to fall back, while providing a strong visual, and allowing a means of later taking out one of the Inquisitors.

I actually think the heli-sabers worked visually with the agile 8th Brother, but I didn't care for it with the 5th Brother and 7th Sister. It just weird seeing a hulking alien flying around on a tiny, handheld helicopter.

17 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

I kind of have to disagree, while did not care for it, it seems like the kids loved it, which is fine imho. The show is for the kids first and for the adult fans second.

Fair comment, I just found it a bit annoying personally. Especially as all the rest of Twilight of The Apprentice was just sooo awesome! But you're right, it's meant for regular kids first, and big kids like me second...

On ‎07‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 3:14 AM, GroggyGolem said:

If the First Order actually wants to be effective, they should really learn from their and the Empire's mistakes. Stop building superweapons. Build really good ships but like a million of them instead for the same amount of time & money. The reason why the Empire used TIE Fighters is because they were strength in numbers and it usually was a pretty effective tactic. Building one giant weapon and sitting the majority of your forces on it is not just impractical, after 30 years of them being blown up, it's the definition of insanity . It's so stupid. It was also Palpatine's vision to make that superweapon happen. He's dead. Stop using bad strategies. Strength in numbers. The Rebels/Resistance only ever have 2 or 3 really good pilots, the rest are meat shields. There's no way their forces can split up and take on a massive fleet of star destroyers.

With that said...

Inb4 Episode IX has Starkiller System, a solar system capable of destroying entire galaxies...

To be fair Starkiller base did what it set out to do. It shattered the entire republic in a single shot; unlike the deathstar it did the bane to batman and broke it's back harder then the entirety of broke back mountain. Apparently most of the republics stripped down fleet was destroyed in that shot, so having it's base destroyed before it could fire on the resistance was a minor setback relatively speaking.

My main problem with it is that it was lazily thrown into the plot as a lazy afterthought, it's stats are poorly explained and it's capablity to move was not once utilised in the movie, thus in principle it was almost out of ammo anyway, yet desptie being a celestral body with no engine, it has a hyperdrive? given how hard the movie was gushing over Luke for like the first hour it was lazy writing that really could have done with being better developed.

4 hours ago, LordBritish said:

To be fair Starkiller base did what it set out to do. It shattered the entire republic in a single shot; unlike the deathstar it did the bane to batman and broke it's back harder then the entirety of broke back mountain. Apparently most of the republics stripped down fleet was destroyed in that shot, so having it's base destroyed before it could fire on the resistance was a minor setback relatively speaking.

My main problem with it is that it was lazily thrown into the plot as a lazy afterthought, it's stats are poorly explained and it's capablity to move was not once utilised in the movie, thus in principle it was almost out of ammo anyway, yet desptie being a celestral body with no engine, it has a hyperdrive? given how hard the movie was gushing over Luke for like the first hour it was lazy writing that really could have done with being better developed.

Also there was no need for another trench.

At least RotJ had a tunnel instead...

8 hours ago, GroggyGolem said:

Also there was no need for another trench.

I am not sure if I would call a hundreds of kilometer wide and thousands of kilometer long chasm still a trench. ;-)

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

I am not sure if I would call a hundreds of kilometer wide and thousands of kilometer long chasm still a trench. ;-)

It was a trench. They did a trench run just before Poe flew into the Oscillator.

It was half tunnel, half trench.

28 minutes ago, rogue_09 said:

It was half tunnel, half trench.

A trunch?

A trennel?

A trenchel

On 3/7/2017 at 6:11 PM, SEApocalypse said:

I kind of have to disagree, while did not care for it, it seems like the kids loved it, which is fine imho. The show is for the kids first and for the adult fans second.

See, this is where my annoyance with the show comes into play.

I agree, this is what the show is. It's for the kids first and the adult fans second.
BUT, and this is a huuuuuge but, everything that happens there becomes canon.
So... if you're a force user and you happen to be on Malachor... you can fly using a rotating lightsaber...

And there are "space whales" that "swim" through space.
And you can build a slingshot that uses an "energy rubber band" to fire... things... whatever.

You get the point.

EVERYTHING that happens in Rebels is canon.

Even the stupid stuff that's only put in there for the kids to go "wow, that's awesome, I'm deffo never gonna think that's stupid when I grow up!"

30 minutes ago, OddballE8 said:

And you can build a slingshot that uses an "energy rubber band" to fire... things... whatever.

Yea, the laser slingshot was one of the reasons why I quit watching part-way through the first episode. I hear it got better, but I haven't had the time to find out.

35 minutes ago, OddballE8 said:

See, this is where my annoyance with the show comes into play.

I agree, this is what the show is. It's for the kids first and the adult fans second.
BUT, and this is a huuuuuge but, everything that happens there becomes canon.
So... if you're a force user and you happen to be on Malachor... you can fly using a rotating lightsaber...

And there are "space whales" that "swim" through space.
And you can build a slingshot that uses an "energy rubber band" to fire... things... whatever.

You get the point.

EVERYTHING that happens in Rebels is canon.

Even the stupid stuff that's only put in there for the kids to go "wow, that's awesome, I'm deffo never gonna think that's stupid when I grow up!"

Spacewhales were in canon since about 1983 (Lando trilogy) or so. Space slugs since 1980, as they are in empire.

Energy strings for weapons are canon since ages before rebels, force move levitation was rather normal during the prequel era, even when some might argue that Vader used it in Empire too with his Flying Jump, similar to chinese Wuxia movies or novels.
So you need to be a little more specific what is not right about this stuff in rebels, which worked out 15 to 35 years ago so much better ;-)

1 hour ago, SEApocalypse said:

So you need to be a little more specific what is not right about this stuff in rebels, which worked out 15 to 35 years ago so much better ;-)

And more importantly, all that goofy stuff? That's pretty in-line with what you might see in Flash Gordon, Buck Rodgers, John Carter of Mars or any number of 30's pulp science fiction.

Ah yes! The original John Carter series. Does anyone else have fond memories of reading A Princess of Mars as a child?

Yup. I think I read the whole series in seventh grade. Looking forward to the new RPG, too.

(We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread about, uh, whatever this one's about. )

On 3/9/2017 at 7:37 PM, SEApocalypse said:

Spacewhales were in canon since about 1983 (Lando trilogy) or so. Space slugs since 1980, as they are in empire.

Energy strings for weapons are canon since ages before rebels, force move levitation was rather normal during the prequel era, even when some might argue that Vader used it in Empire too with his Flying Jump, similar to chinese Wuxia movies or novels.
So you need to be a little more specific what is not right about this stuff in rebels, which worked out 15 to 35 years ago so much better ;-)

Aah, see, now this is where you're wrong.

With the exception of the Space Slug, these things were never Canon.

They were in the EU, and the EU was NEVER canon. No matter how much you try to invoke the "different grades of canon", there was only one Canon, and that was whatever George Lucas used in the movies. Anything else was onlly in existance dependant on the whims of the allmighty-creator himself to destroy at will whenever he made a new movie.

Alot of people don't understand the difference between the old way of regarding Canon and the new way of regarding Canon.
Alot of the confusion comes from the fact that the Holocron had to come up with a system of showing how "canon" something was in the first place. They had the G, T, C and S canon system. But in effect, anything below G-canon was to be regarded as not canon at all until it was brought into G-canon because Lucas put it in one of his movies.

However, with this new Canon, ANYTHING that is in Rebels is 100% Canon, no discussion, no grading, no nothing. It's canon and that's how it is. In the world where Rey lives, there are laser-slingshots because they did that in Rebes, thus it 100% exists.
In the old Canon, there might have been tons and tons of engergy strings weapons, but they didn't actually exist until Lucas put them in a movie. Before then, they were little more than fan fiction.

To paraphrase Leland Chee; George Lucas is not bound by the EU, but the EU is bound by Gorge Lucas.
In other words, what Lucas says is Canon, what happens in the EU is not Canon unless Lucas decides to make it so.

It like saying there is only one bible canon, a real oddball

1 hour ago, OddballE8 said:

Aah, see, now this is where you're wrong.

With the exception of the Space Slug, these things were never Canon.

They were in the EU, and the EU was NEVER canon. No matter how much you try to invoke the "different grades of canon", there was only one Canon, and that was whatever George Lucas used in the movies. Anything else was onlly in existance dependant on the whims of the allmighty-creator himself to destroy at will whenever he made a new movie.

Alot of people don't understand the difference between the old way of regarding Canon and the new way of regarding Canon.
Alot of the confusion comes from the fact that the Holocron had to come up with a system of showing how "canon" something was in the first place. They had the G, T, C and S canon system. But in effect, anything below G-canon was to be regarded as not canon at all until it was brought into G-canon because Lucas put it in one of his movies.

However, with this new Canon, ANYTHING that is in Rebels is 100% Canon, no discussion, no grading, no nothing. It's canon and that's how it is. In the world where Rey lives, there are laser-slingshots because they did that in Rebes, thus it 100% exists.
In the old Canon, there might have been tons and tons of engergy strings weapons, but they didn't actually exist until Lucas put them in a movie. Before then, they were little more than fan fiction.

To paraphrase Leland Chee; George Lucas is not bound by the EU, but the EU is bound by Gorge Lucas.
In other words, what Lucas says is Canon, what happens in the EU is not Canon unless Lucas decides to make it so.

Said . Not "says".

And now "the mouse" is free to un-canon anything George did should they so choose.

5 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

Aah, see, now this is where you're wrong.

With the exception of the Space Slug, these things were never Canon.

They were in the EU, and the EU was NEVER canon. No matter how much you try to invoke the "different grades of canon", there was only one Canon, and that was whatever George Lucas used in the movies. Anything else was onlly in existance dependant on the whims of the allmighty-creator himself to destroy at will whenever he made a new movie.

Alot of people don't understand the difference between the old way of regarding Canon and the new way of regarding Canon.
Alot of the confusion comes from the fact that the Holocron had to come up with a system of showing how "canon" something was in the first place. They had the G, T, C and S canon system. But in effect, anything below G-canon was to be regarded as not canon at all until it was brought into G-canon because Lucas put it in one of his movies.

However, with this new Canon, ANYTHING that is in Rebels is 100% Canon, no discussion, no grading, no nothing. It's canon and that's how it is. In the world where Rey lives, there are laser-slingshots because they did that in Rebes, thus it 100% exists.
In the old Canon, there might have been tons and tons of engergy strings weapons, but they didn't actually exist until Lucas put them in a movie. Before then, they were little more than fan fiction.

To paraphrase Leland Chee; George Lucas is not bound by the EU, but the EU is bound by Gorge Lucas.
In other words, what Lucas says is Canon, what happens in the EU is not Canon unless Lucas decides to make it so.

To boil it down simpler, the canon has not changed.

The movies always have been canon, the Clone Wars series was canon. From 2014 forwards, all material created by the storygroup is canon. The material that was never considered canon by "The Maker" himself is still non-canon. All they did was re-brand the EU as Legends and use Legends the same way George Lucas did. They are not bound by it but they are fully capable of taking pieces of it (Thrawn for instance) and canonizing them in a way that suits the story they wish to tell.

6 hours ago, OddballE8 said:

Aah, see, now this is where you're wrong.

With the exception of the Space Slug, these things were never Canon.

They were in the EU, and the EU was NEVER canon. No matter how much you try to invoke the "different grades of canon", there was only one Canon, and that was whatever George Lucas used in the movies. Anything else was onlly in existance dependant on the whims of the allmighty-creator himself to destroy at will whenever he made a new movie.

Alot of people don't understand the difference between the old way of regarding Canon and the new way of regarding Canon.
Alot of the confusion comes from the fact that the Holocron had to come up with a system of showing how "canon" something was in the first place. They had the G, T, C and S canon system. But in effect, anything below G-canon was to be regarded as not canon at all until it was brought into G-canon because Lucas put it in one of his movies.

However, with this new Canon, ANYTHING that is in Rebels is 100% Canon, no discussion, no grading, no nothing. It's canon and that's how it is. In the world where Rey lives, there are laser-slingshots because they did that in Rebes, thus it 100% exists.
In the old Canon, there might have been tons and tons of engergy strings weapons, but they didn't actually exist until Lucas put them in a movie. Before then, they were little more than fan fiction.

To paraphrase Leland Chee; George Lucas is not bound by the EU, but the EU is bound by Gorge Lucas.
In other words, what Lucas says is Canon, what happens in the EU is not Canon unless Lucas decides to make it so.

You don't know just how wrong you are in that statement. Under the old canon rules , as explicitly stated by then LFL head Sue Rostoni, as well as Leeland Chee, everything not labeled as Infinities was Canon . The different levels of canon were only there to establish a hierarchy where any potential conflicts might occur. This had been repeatedly established numerous times.