Sorry if this has been discussed before but I am looking for information regarding how long are the official cardboard Range Rulers that come with the core set.

I have access to the machinery and I am trying to make a set of my own.

Strangely, when I measured the cardboard ones that came with my core set, they seem to be 298 mm, which is 2 mm shorter than my Litko ones that are 300 mm long.

There is a chance that my cardboard ones have warped and shrunk a bit over time, so I am looking for the exact official dimensions if anyone knows.

Safer to go with the Acrylic ones. Manufacturers use the proper specs given by FFG. Cardboard is subject to a whole slew of factors that could cause size inconsistencies (wear & tear, mis-cut when printed, humidity causing it to expand/shrink, whatever).

I can't recall what the sizes are supposed to be. I think a range band is 100mm? SOMETHING is, at least. I could just be pulling this outta my bum, but the number seems like it belonged somewhere...

The range rulers should be 300mm.

100mm per range bracket.

Incidentally. If you are also interested in maneuver templates, I was provided these numbers in a thread a while ago

All distances are in mm.

Forward templates:

Each '1' is 40 mm, the same length as the side of the small ship plastic base.

Fwd1 = 40

Fwd2 = 80

Fwd3 = 120

Fwd4 = 160

Fwd5 = 200

Hard turn templates:

Turn # - Inside radius - Outside radius:

1 - 25 - 45

2 - 53 - 73

3 - 80 - 100

Bank turn templates:

Bank # - Inside radius - Outside radius:

1 - 70 - 90

2 - 120 - 140

3 - 170 - 190

I haven't had anyone directly challenge these measures, but I did exchange info with one company making acrylic templates available on the market and we disagreed very slightly on two measurements for the hard 1 and hard 2 turns, but I find it minor enough to not care.

Their average radius for the hard turn 1 and 2 gave: 36 and 62, while mine are 35 and 63. I have no idea what their inside and outside radii are for those moves. Everything else was identical.

What triggered this intensive search:

exposition of the problem: http://teamcovenant.com/mu0n/2013/10/22/the-most-urgently-needed-fixes-for-the-x-wing-modules-of-vassal/

details of the problems: http://teamcovenant.com/mu0n/2013/11/28/the-road-to-4-6-0-and-better-firing-arcs/

Incidentally. If you are also interested in maneuver templates, I was provided these numbers in a thread a while ago

All distances are in mm.

Forward templates:

Each '1' is 40 mm, the same length as the side of the small ship plastic base.

Fwd1 = 40

Fwd2 = 80

Fwd3 = 120

Fwd4 = 160

Fwd5 = 200

Hard turn templates:

Turn # - Inside radius - Outside radius:

1 - 25 - 45

2 - 53 - 73

3 - 80 - 100

Bank turn templates:

Bank # - Inside radius - Outside radius:

1 - 70 - 90

2 - 120 - 140

3 - 170 - 190

I haven't had anyone directly challenge these measures, but I did exchange info with one company making acrylic templates available on the market and we disagreed very slightly on two measurements for the hard 1 and hard 2 turns, but I find it minor enough to not care.

Their average radius for the hard turn 1 and 2 gave: 36 and 62, while mine are 35 and 63. I have no idea what their inside and outside radii are for those moves. Everything else was identical.

What triggered this intensive search:

exposition of the problem: http://teamcovenant.com/mu0n/2013/10/22/the-most-urgently-needed-fixes-for-the-x-wing-modules-of-vassal/

details of the problems: http://teamcovenant.com/mu0n/2013/11/28/the-road-to-4-6-0-and-better-firing-arcs/

This was extremely helpful thank you very much.

The range rulers should be 300mm.

100mm per range bracket.

Yay, I didn't just make it up!

Your welcome.

I had a devil of a time getting a hold of those numbers myself, so I try to make sure that I pass them on whenever the subject cones up.

Your welcome.

I had a devil of a time getting a hold of those numbers myself, so I try to make sure that I pass them on whenever the subject cones up.

And since that day he was known as Forgotten Lore... or in this case data.

Crap. The acrylic set I bought are all 1mm short.

Now I am going to have to complain and send them back.

Crap. The acrylic set I bought are all 1mm short.

Now I am going to have to complain and send them back.

Before doing that make sure what your using to measure them with is accurate.

One slightly off topic thing to mention, the 1 template is slightly smaller than a small base, and the 2 template is slightly smaller than a large base. I don't have the actual measurements available, but I want to say the bases are going to be like 42x42 and 82x82. They were intentionally sized slightly larger than the templates since apparently if they're exactly the same size, it caused weird scenarios on the table.

I think you'll find the bases are exactly 40mm and 80mm long, respectively. They are, however, slightly wider because of a draft (angle) molded into the plastic.

For what it's worth I have an FFG acrylic range ruler from 2014 GSC prize support that is not identical to the length of the range rulers that come with the original core sets.

Thesee are both official FFG range rulers yet there is a very slight difference. This issue is fairly common as far as I know and can be often attributed to material loss from cutting.

If you have a range ruler or template that is a hair off it really should be a non issue.

In my nearly 3 years of playing this game I have yet to hear of someone trying to exploit this known issue to their benefit.

If it's extremely close I wouldn't worry about it.

FFG have outright stated that there is some variance in the cardboard components.

Sorry if this has been discussed before but I am looking for information regarding how long are the official cardboard Range Rulers that come with the core set.

I have access to the machinery and I am trying to make a set of my own.

Strangely, when I measured the cardboard ones that came with my core set, they seem to be 11 inches (or 28 mm), which is 2 mm shorter than my Litko ones that are 30 mm long.

There is a chance that my cardboard ones have warped and shrunk a bit over time, so I am looking for the exact official dimensions if anyone knows.

just wondering..

When did 1 inch become 2.54 mm

Where I come from 1in= 25.4mm = 2.54cm

Just Wondering..

FFG have outright stated that there is some variance in the cardboard components.

And the tournament rules accommodate this reality.

FFG have outright stated that there is some variance in the cardboard components.

And the tournament rules accommodate this reality.

Correct. Technically speaking, you're supposed to use 1 set of templates per match to remove that variability. But for the most part, as long as they're both pretty close, it's not going to matter AS LONG AS both sets are not used by the same person.

The variance you get simply by lining the template into the nubs and physically moving your ship is more than the differences in the templates.

Crap. The acrylic set I bought are all 1mm short.

Now I am going to have to complain and send them back.

Before doing that make sure what your using to measure them with is accurate.

A ruler. Drafting board quality.

After reading around a bit more and from the comments here it seems its not a big issue for a 1mm difference. Can't help thinkingg that that missing 1mm on the range ruler is going to mean a missed shot one of these days.

Sorry if this has been discussed before but I am looking for information regarding how long are the official cardboard Range Rulers that come with the core set.

I have access to the machinery and I am trying to make a set of my own.

Strangely, when I measured the cardboard ones that came with my core set, they seem to be 11 inches (or 28 mm), which is 2 mm shorter than my Litko ones that are 30 mm long.

There is a chance that my cardboard ones have warped and shrunk a bit over time, so I am looking for the exact official dimensions if anyone knows.

just wondering..

When did 1 inch become 2.54 mm

Where I come from 1in= 25.4mm = 2.54cm

Just Wondering..

Ups, you are right. I messed up the conversion to inches and some zeroes before mm.....