Not all ships have a specific title available and some only have a unique named ship variant (especially the large ones). Of all the ships however the X-Wing (T-65 version) is the one that lacks a title to represent the iconic Rogue Squadron which I hope hasn't been "nerfherded" into oblivion along with other EU stuff!

So I would be interested in seeing some proposed "X Wing only" titles. This was certainly inspired by the new core set options for the T-70 variant but they should still be relevant for the "older" version as well.

I do not have the new core set but this is quite a powerful option for the X-Wing as you can choose to just do a normal turn or a Tallon Roll so this will obviously help higher PS ships more... "hey we're Rogue Squadron... doing the impossible is what we do!"

Personally I am not too keen on the idea of combining the old stuff with the new stuff (ie: running Biggs Darklighter with BB-8) as that is a bit too weird to me. But new maneuvers are fair game!

Doesn't really grab me. I don't like the idea of adding 2 points to an already overcosted ship to make it perform a little more like the T70.

EDIT: Your title would allow a stressed X-wing to receive a second stress and perform a Tallon Roll, is that intentional?

I would equip that if it was zero. I think we might see a title by Tuesday.

Since the T-70 can already do that it just gives them the option to do turn or roll, but it needs to say a red Tallon RollI I think? Otherwise you could talon roll while stressed?

I think it's over costed, but I also don't think that making the T-65 in to the T-70 is what they will do.

I think somehow a mod that makes both ships better (for 2 points) which means with rookies you can take 4 T-65's and some upgrades wheras with T-70's you couldn't (due to points)

I thin with this game the people always mistake points cost as purely representing stats but you have to also take in to consideration what paying those points allows you to take within a 100 point list as well.

What about StealthX.

2-points - X-Wing only. Title.

When defending, if you are at range 1-2 of the attacker, increase your agility by 1

What about something like this:

0 points, X-Wing only, title. Maybe better as a modification?

"If you have an astromech equipped, you may perform a free target lock action at the beginning of the combat phase."

This should enable even the generic pilots to shoot torpedos or attack with both modifications.

Possible squadrons may be 4 Rookies with plasma torpedoes and R2 astromechs and the title.

The Advanced fix didn't make it more like the Defender or Interceptor.

The X-wing fix shouldn't make it more like the T-70 or B-wing.

Simple.

Also how about

The T-65 only under performs by a fairly small margin, so I don't think the 'fix' needs to be anything particularly drastic.

Something like:

Rogue Squadron - Title- T-65 X-Wing Only

0 Points

After you are hit by an attack that deals damage, you may discard this card to regain 1 shield.

Or perhaps it would be nicely thematic to go for something that helps with maneuvering -particularly stress shedding - and improves the cost and utility of astromechs.

Rogue Squadron - Title - T-65 X-Wing Only

0 Points.

If you equip any upgrade with the Astromech Icon you may treat all speed 1 and 2 straight and bank maneuvers as green maneuvers.

You may reduce the cost of astromech upgrades of up to 3 points by 1 squad point.

So you basically bolt an "almost-R2"'s abilities on to any astromech that you equip.

Basic astromechs become free

Red Squadron pilots and named pilots without EPT slots get an "almost-R2" and an EPT slot for free via R2D6

R2D2 gets slightly better but you still have to pay full price for him.

You can't have a T-65 only upgrade. any "X-wing only" upgrade works on the T-70 too.

Ans it really needs to be usable on both ships if it's going to be in the T-70 expack.

It's a little stronger than a shield, and slightly better against Direct Hits or awkward critical results, but nothing special. More importantly, it doesn't push the X-wing into a new role - it's still a relatively agile jouster. This might not be enough, of course.

You can't have a T-65 only upgrade. any "X-wing only" upgrade works on the T-70 too.

In fact it would kind of be the other way round - there's only one ship in the game with the name X-Wing.

The other one is a T-70 X-Wing

Much the same way as there's two TIE Advanceds in the game but they are classed as different ships - one is the TIE Advanced and one is the TIE Advanced Prototype. The Titles are not interchangeable.

And it really needs to be usable on both ships if it's going to be in the T-70 expack.

Why does it need to be useable on both ships?

We don't actually know if we are getting a T-70 expack (although we probably are)

The X-Wing fix doesn't have to be in the T-70 expack

In fact it would kind of be the other way round - there's only one ship in the game with the name X-Wing.

The other one is a T-70 X-Wing

No. The new rules make it clear that an "x-wing only" title works on both ships.

The card would have to explicitly exclude the T-70.

To OP: I hope to see a Rogue squadron title but I would rather not just turn the T65 into T70 lite. A T65 "fix" should be offensive minded IMO due to Biggs.

Rather than start a new topic I'll just toss my idea here.

"Quad-linked Cannons" (torpedo slot). When attacking, you may change one of your blank results to a hit result. Cost 0-1?

Does not take up astro or mod slot. Can't pair with torps for OP first strike. Would love to make it negative one cost but might be too much.

Veteran X-Wing Pilot

X-Wing only. Title

Your action bar gains the (barrel roll) icon.

If your upgrade bar doesn't have a (tech) icon it gains the (Tech) icon and this title upgrade costs 0 points, you may then equip a (Tech) upgrade card at a -3 point cost.

4 Points.

Advanced Thrusters Control

X-Wing only. Tech.

When you reveal a (bank) maneuver, you may treat it as a (turn) maneuver of the same color.

4 points.

Asymmetrical Reactor Throttling
X-Wing only. Tech.
When you perform a (barrel roll) you may rotate your ship 180 degrees. Then, after the Check Pilot Stress step, assign a Stress token to your ship.
4 points.

T-65R [TORPEDO] (T-65 X-Wing Only) {-1}

Your upgrade bar gains the System slot.

Rogue Squadron (TITLE) (X-Wing Only) {1}

Each ship with this title gains the pilot ability of the highest pilot skill pilot on the board with this title.

Rogue Squadron Ace [TITLE] (X-Wing only, Title) {2}

Add the Barrel Roll icon to your Action Bar. You cannot equip this card if your Pilot Skill is 4 or less.

StealthX [TORPEDO] (X-wing only) {4}

Your action bar gains the Cloak action.

R9-D7 [ASTROMECH] {1}

Equipping this astromech reduces the cost of all torpedoes equipped by 50% (round fractions up).

R9-D8 [ASTROMECH] {2}

Equipping this astromech reduces the cost of all torpedoes equipped by 50% (round fractions up). If an attack with a torpedo misses, the torpedo card is not discarded.

T-65XJ [MODIFICATION] (X-Wing only) {3}

Add the Boost action to your action bar and increase your Shield value by 1.

In fact it would kind of be the other way round - there's only one ship in the game with the name X-Wing.

The other one is a T-70 X-Wing

No. The new rules make it clear that an "x-wing only" title works on both ships.

The card would have to explicitly exclude the T-70.

OK - I was under the impression you needed an exact match on the ship type (and we were just making a slight fudge for Vader )

No reason why you couldn't add a "may not be equipped by T-70" clause though

T-65R [TORPEDO] (T-65 X-Wing Only) {-1}

Your upgrade bar gains the System slot.

So despite not being possible to make a T-65 only title what this allows is a 5 X-wing list. Or 4-X's with systems, are 4 X's with systems going to be better than 4 B's with systems?

If they are that's shifting the broken to the B's and if not then they wouldn't be used.

I think this is the right points level but it does nothing for the generic X-wings that need the help. Take off the restriction and it's interesting, 4 X's with barrel roll and Astros, but not sure it's enough to take them over B's in this way still.

NEXT!

Are you thinking maybe making the x-wing in to a torp delivery system could help fix it? Not sure on that one.

This makes a T-65 cost the same as a T-70 have the same stat line and action bar, but no Tallon-Roll. Why not just take a T-70?

T-65R [TORPEDO] (T-65 X-Wing Only) {-1}

Your upgrade bar gains the System slot.

So despite not being possible to make a T-65 only title what this allows is a 5 X-wing list. Or 4-X's with systems, are 4 X's with systems going to be better than 4 B's with systems?

If they are that's shifting the broken to the B's and if not then they wouldn't be used.

5 X's are a thing; they're called Kihraxz. I suspect 4X with Systems might be similar to 4B with System (X gets speed, B gets Barrel and health).

StealthX [TORPEDO] (X-wing only) {4}

Your action bar gains the Cloak action.

NEXT!

Well, obviously it needs a way to keep Biggs from taking it.

R9-D7 [ASTROMECH] {1}

Equipping this astromech reduces the cost of all torpedoes equipped by 50% (round fractions up).

R9-D8 [ASTROMECH] {2}

Equipping this astromech reduces the cost of all torpedoes equipped by 50% (round fractions up). If an attack with a torpedo misses, the torpedo card is not discarded.

Are you thinking maybe making the x-wing in to a torp delivery system could help fix it? Not sure on that one.

Just trying to do something thematically different. X-wings or Y-wings plus proton torpedoes should really be a thing.

T-65XJ [MODIFICATION] (X-Wing only) {3}

Add the Boost action to your action bar and increase your Shield value by 1.

This makes a T-65 cost the same as a T-70 have the same stat line and action bar, but no Tallon-Roll. Why not just take a T-70?

Maybe make it two points, then ... but this way you can get Wedge and Luke on par with the T-70 aces.

Maybe make it two points, then ... but this way you can get Wedge and Luke on par with the T-70 aces.

Well Luke is already 3 points less that Poe so in theory he's already on par. if it becomes 2 points it's a 2 point shield upgrade for T-70's too.

Poe's boost is a bit duff really since he loves focus, I think Luke is mostly ok for the points , I just hope they don't make the T-65 in to a T-70.

After Friday and seeing the T-70, I've been slowly tinkering with a torpedo upgrade in my home games just to see what happens if you do make the T-65 in to a T-70. I think the balancing factor comes down to the point cost or if you want to force it to take a modification and/or title slot. I will caveat this - I am not saying this is the fix I want. It is more of a "what happens" when you make the older X-Wing pilots fly in an equivalent ship. I'd rather have something that has both power and flavor, while retaining the uniqueness of the T-65.

T-65R [TORPEDO] (T-65 X-Wing Only) {-1}

Your upgrade bar gains the System slot.

So despite not being possible to make a T-65 only title ......

Not sure where you get that idea from

Remeber upgrade card text can overrule general rule text.

New Rulebook Page 1

GOLDEN RULES

Card abilities can override the rules listed in this guide.

Title: Rogue Squadron - X-Wing only - This card may not be equipped by a T-70 X-Wing

T-65 only title sorted

T-65R [TORPEDO] (T-65 X-Wing Only) {-1}

Your upgrade bar gains the System slot.

So despite not being possible to make a T-65 only title ......

Not sure where you get that idea from

Remeber upgrade card text can overrule general rule text.

New Rulebook Page 1

GOLDEN RULES

Card abilities can override the rules listed in this guide.

Title: Rogue Squadron - X-Wing only - This card may not be equipped by a T-70 X-Wing

T-65 only title sorted

And then there'd be no hope of it being in the T-70 pack and that would be sad.

Also don't you think they deliberately made the rules fro titles allow X-wing only to work on both specifically for this reason?

Hence my conviction that a 2 point upgrade that works on both but is better on T-65 becasue it keeps them low costed.

And then there'd be no hope of it being in the T-70 pack and that would be sad.

Also don't you think they deliberately made the rules fro titles allow X-wing only to work on both specifically for this reason?

Hence my conviction that a 2 point upgrade that works on both but is better on T-65 becasue it keeps them low costed.

I'm sure we'd all rather have an X-Wing buff sooner rather than later - but there's no obligation for it to be in the (hypothetical) T-70 expansion.

I wouldn't want to speculate on why the rules for titles were worded the way they were - you could just as easily argue that the golden rule clause was inserted specifically to get around the rules for titles so that there could be a T-65 only title - speculative post is speculative.