Hey Folks!

The text of R4-B11 reads:

"When attacking, if you have a target lock on the defender, you may spend the target lock to choose any or all defense dice. The defender must reroll the chosen dice."

My question is does the attacker modify the defender's dice before the defender does (through spending focus or evade tokens, using elusiveness, etc.) or vice versa.

Thanks in advance!

You always modify the other guy's dice before they do.

Attacker modifies defense dice before the defender does.

Defender modifies attack dice before the attacker does.

Thanks for the clarification! That's what I thought, but the folks at the tourney I just attended were unsure.

If you look in the rule book (either the old or the new) and walk through the steps of an attack it should clear it up for you.

If you look in the rule book (either the old or the new) and walk through the steps of an attack it should clear it up for you.

Yep, reading the rulebook can sometimes reveal all sorts of wondrous things, like how the game works.

If you look in the rule book (either the old or the new) and walk through the steps of an attack it should clear it up for you.

Yep, reading the rulebook can sometimes reveal all sorts of wondrous things, like how the game works.

*sigh* if only it were always so simple (though in this case it certainly is ).

If you look in the rule book (either the old or the new) and walk through the steps of an attack it should clear it up for you.

Yep, reading the rulebook can sometimes reveal all sorts of wondrous things, like how the game works.

Unfortunately, I think one of the downsides to X-Wing beingeasy to teach to new players is that many people never really read the rules. They may occasionally refer to them but for the most part the rules are an oral tradition passed on from player to player.

I believe I was the TO at the tournament in question. I was pretty much sure that it worked that way. I did a quick text search through the rulebook on my phone even though I remembered clearly reading somewhere the order of modification in situations like that. I wasn't able to find the exact steps but everyone agreed and we ruled correctly.

I don't think it was a case of not reading the rulebook at all. There are little interactions that aren't so common that sometimes pop up and briefly cause confusion but we sorted it out relatively easily.

Unfortunately, I think one of the downsides to X-Wing beingeasy to teach to new players is that many people never really read the rules. They may occasionally refer to them but for the most part the rules are an oral tradition passed on from player to player.

That seems to be the reasoning behind FFGs recent policy of doing rules as an incomplete "learn to play" booklet and a separate "rules reference" book that is layed out like an encyclopedia rather than a rulebook.

It's not a trend I like at all. It makes it so much harder to actually learn the game properly, instead of learning "shortcuts" and incomplete rules from a dumbed down intro booklet.

If you look in the rule book (either the old or the new) and walk through the steps of an attack it should clear it up for you.

Yep, reading the rulebook can sometimes reveal all sorts of wondrous things, like how the game works.

Unfortunately, I think one of the downsides to X-Wing beingeasy to teach to new players is that many people never really read the rules. They may occasionally refer to them but for the most part the rules are an oral tradition passed on from player to player.

I think you're quite right there. And there's more than a few that have taught their kids to play, so the game is literally being passed on from one generation to the next.

Unfortunately, I think one of the downsides to X-Wing beingeasy to teach to new players is that many people never really read the rules. They may occasionally refer to them but for the most part the rules are an oral tradition passed on from player to player.

That seems to be the reasoning behind FFGs recent policy of doing rules as an incomplete "learn to play" booklet and a separate "rules reference" book that is layed out like an encyclopedia rather than a rulebook.

It's not a trend I like at all. It makes it so much harder to actually learn the game properly, instead of learning "shortcuts" and incomplete rules from a dumbed down intro booklet.

It's their new standard format that they've used in Imperial Assault and Armada. I didn't like it at first, but it's growing on me. It does make it easier with the RRG to find the specifics for a topic, rather than digging around in 20 pages of a heavily illustrated rule book.

It's only easier if you have already memorized the correct terminology for the game, and if that is the case then you probably don't need to look up very much. I have a terrible time trying to find answers in the armada book.

It also makes it a lot harder to fully conceptualize the game's structure. For imperial assault I've now read both the learn to play booklet and the RRG and I still don't have a firm grasp on all the game's mechanics or structure

I know what you mean. I prefer the older format with the brief overview and then the fully explained rules in the play order that you're using each round.

I believe I was the TO at the tournament in question. I was pretty much sure that it worked that way. I did a quick text search through the rulebook on my phone even though I remembered clearly reading somewhere the order of modification in situations like that. I wasn't able to find the exact steps but everyone agreed and we ruled correctly.

I don't think it was a case of not reading the rulebook at all. There are little interactions that aren't so common that sometimes pop up and briefly cause confusion but we sorted it out relatively easily.

Hey Mike!

Yes, you were and you were great about it at the tourney / all parties involved thought you made a fair ruling. I just wanted to get further clarification so that I wouldn't have to bug you about it moving forward

Brendan