Here’s the way I see it.

There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.

Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

Here’s the way I see it.

There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.

Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

It seems like a smart move to release a core book tie-in to me, but I'm baffled that existing players are so up-in-arms one way or another. If they release a new core, it could draw in new players and wouldn't infringe on the material that existing players have already invested in. If they don't release a new core, the material is easily home brewed using the materials already available to fans.

Here’s the way I see it.There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

I think you are right. Except for the first group, I haven't seen them around much.

Here’s the way I see it.There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

I think you are right. Except for the first group, I haven't seen them around much.

You could argue that the first group wouldn't already be subscribed to a message board about the existing game.

It seems like a smart move to release a core book tie-in to me, but I'm baffled that existing players are so up-in-arms one way or another. If they release a new core, it could draw in new players and wouldn't infringe on the material that existing players have already invested in. If they don't release a new core, the material is easily home brewed using the materials already available to fans.

What has people up in arms over the possibility of a new CRB is the idea of paying $60 for what would amount to setting information update. People are cool with the idea of material for the new movie era. They just don't want to pay another $60 to buy material that they already own just to get what would amount to about 150-200 pages of new info, if that.

Also some of us are also speaking up because we're against the idea stated by the some of the pro new CRB crowd that we all would just buy a new book anyway so why else wouldn't they do a new CRB. We're making it clear that there is a segment of the fan base who wouldn't buy a new CRB just to have setting info. I know I only spoke up after seeing repeated attempts by others to insist that we all would just mindlessly buy a new CRB.

It seems like a smart move to release a core book tie-in to me, but I'm baffled that existing players are so up-in-arms one way or another. If they release a new core, it could draw in new players and wouldn't infringe on the material that existing players have already invested in. If they don't release a new core, the material is easily home brewed using the materials already available to fans.

What has people up in arms over the possibility of a new CRB is the idea of paying $60 for what would amount to setting information update. People are cool with the idea of material for the new movie era. They just don't want to pay another $60 to buy material that they already own just to get what would amount to about 150-200 pages of new info, if that.

Also some of us are also speaking up because we're against the idea stated by the some of the pro new CRB crowd that we all would just buy a new book anyway so why else wouldn't they do a new CRB. We're making it clear that there is a segment of the fan base who wouldn't buy a new CRB just to have setting info. I know I only spoke up after seeing repeated attempts by others to insist that we all would just mindlessly buy a new CRB.

What I'm saying is that, from the sound of things regarding FFG's relationship with the Star Wars creative team, the "new information" would more or less be irrelevant to existing players. The post-OT canon is sparse, and likely will continue to be so for some time, and what's there could be easily adapted from existing rules. I'd expect to see less than 150-200 pages of information that's not recycled. Of that, the setting information can likely be gleaned by watching the movie, and the crunchy bits will likely be released as decks.

For the record, I wouldn't buy it either, but I think it's a smart move.

What I'm saying is that, from the sound of things regarding FFG's relationship with the Star Wars creative team, the "new information" would more or less be irrelevant to existing players. The post-OT canon is sparse, and likely will continue to be so for some time, and what's there could be easily adapted from existing rules.

For the record, I wouldn't buy it either, but I think it's a smart move.

The new information is the entire point though. If the new information is irrelevant to the existing players then there isn't much of a point behind a new CRB. They would have to count on the FA crowd being large enough to sustain an entire line of books. Remember it wouldn't just be a CRB. There would be the GM's Kit, career books, sector books, adventure books. All of that requires having an audience and if existing players isn't part of that scheme then the FA crowd alone don't justify the cost or the risk. Because a new CRB does come with risk. In addition to it risking failing due to not having enough new crowd interest it also risk turning off existing customers to the new CRB and possibly their current line of books too. They do stand a chance of losing customers who may regard a new CRB as nothing more as a money grab move and stop supporting their products all together.

I don't see alienating your current audience on the if of a new audience as being a smart business move. More so when you consider that FFG will always be playing catch up with the new movies. They aren't clued into the ongoing plot developments. Therefore they are always going to be late and missing the peek hype. It would be different if they could deliver these new products when the new movie comes out. Then the risk make sense. But when they will always be playing catch up and always be competing against the OT and other stuff it's not exactly logical business wise.

Also the post OT setting won't remain sparse for long. Disney has something close to 30 books lined up. They intend to fill in the gaps in major ways.

What I'm saying is that, from the sound of things regarding FFG's relationship with the Star Wars creative team, the "new information" would more or less be irrelevant to existing players. The post-OT canon is sparse, and likely will continue to be so for some time, and what's there could be easily adapted from existing rules.

For the record, I wouldn't buy it either, but I think it's a smart move.

The new information is the entire point though. If the new information is irrelevant to the existing players then there isn't much of a point behind a new CRB. They would have to count on the FA crowd being large enough to sustain an entire line of books. Remember it wouldn't just be a CRB. There would be the GM's Kit, career books, sector books, adventure books. All of that requires having an audience and if existing players isn't part of that scheme then the FA crowd alone don't justify the cost or the risk. Because a new CRB does come with risk. In addition to it risking failing due to not having enough new crowd interest it also risk turning off existing customers to the new CRB and possibly their current line of books too. They do stand a chance of losing customers who may regard a new CRB as nothing more as a money grab move and stop supporting their products all together.

I don't see alienating your current audience on the if of a new audience as being a smart business move. More so when you consider that FFG will always be playing catch up with the new movies. They aren't clued into the ongoing plot developments. Therefore they are always going to be late and missing the peek hype. It would be different if they could deliver these new products when the new movie comes out. Then the risk make sense. But when they will always be playing catch up and always be competing against the OT and other stuff it's not exactly logical business wise.

Also the post OT setting won't remain sparse for long. Disney has something close to 30 books lined up. They intend to fill in the gaps in major ways.

It seems to me that it's not about buying into a new line as it is creating a new entry point for an existing line. People who buy into the new core book to play in a Force Awakens game will then be encouraged, as long as it's built to be compatible and is harvested from existing rules, to buy the existing career books, cores, and setting to flesh out their worlds as GMs and have new resources as players. OT players can buy NT supplements without having to own the NT core, since the material in the core is primarily information they already own.

Let me just clarify a point I've already made. I think the only way a NT core is effective is if it recycles old information. That means the careers are cherry picked from the three existing cores. Most of the stat blocks for characters, weapons, and ships will be similarly the same or only modified in small ways. It's an endeavor that's mostly about marketing and repackaging. If FFG puts out a book a year following Ep VII, then what we're talking about is essentially a Greatest Hits of the existing cores with a bit of extra fluff that could be gleaned from the movies. It's sacrificing the depth of buying three core books for the breadth of having a little information from each injected into one core. Existing players lose nothing, but new players have material that's more friendly and marketable to new players. Let the material from the glut of new canon materials appear in the supplements, which will then be adaptable both to owners of the original cores and owners of the new core.

It seems to me that it's not about buying into a new line as it is creating a new entry point for an existing line. People who buy into the new core book to play in a Force Awakens game will then be encouraged, as long as it's built to be compatible and is harvested from existing rules, to buy the existing career books, cores, and setting to flesh out their worlds as GMs and have new resources as players. OT players can buy NT supplements without having to own the NT core, since the material in the core is primarily information they already own.

Yes but by creating this new entry point they run the risk of alienating their current fan base. So the question comes back to is this risk worthwhile? Will this new entry point draw in enough new players to compensate for the ones they are about to piss off. Also there is no point in producing a new CRB if it doesn't have new setting info from Force Awakens. Each CRB is themed around a setting and if they don't put in new setting info then there isn't anything that separates a new CRB from the rest of the ones they already have now. Which is fairly pointless.

Let me just clarify a point I've already made. I think the only way a NT core is effective is if it recycles old information. That means the careers are cherry picked from the three existing cores. Most of the stat blocks for characters, weapons, and ships will be similarly the same or only modified in small ways. It's an endeavor that's mostly about marketing and repackaging. If FFG puts out a book a year following Ep VII, then what we're talking about is essentially a Greatest Hits of the existing cores with a bit of extra fluff that could be gleaned from the movies. It's sacrificing the depth of buying three core books for the breadth of having a little information from each injected into one core. Existing players lose nothing, but new players have material that's more friendly and marketable to new players. Let the material from the glut of new canon materials appear in the supplements, which will then be adaptable both to owners of the original cores and owners of the new core.

If they produce a new book that is the "greatest hits" and just cherry picks and recycles old information they will most certainly upset part of their current fan base. Basically they will have a segment of their audience that shelled out $180 for something that is now $60. It's not a win/win for them. What you've listed is pretty much why people stand opposed to the entire idea of a new CRB. They just invested $180 into the line. They don't want to see the best part of that line produced in a book 1/3 the cost of their investment. They are going to get very angry over such a move. There is no way the people who run FFG don't know this.

Which brings me back to what I've been saying repeatedly, is the new FA fanbase going to be big enough to justify alienating the current fans they have? Is starting an entirely new line going to compensate them for the sales they know they will lose from fan outrage? I honestly don't see FA being such a big hit that it's going to cause a big bump in the RPG. The toy lines, yes. Books, yes. Future movies, yes. But something as niche as an rpg? No.

FFG has an ambitious model for their books. But there is a limit to the number of times they can produce a new CRB and expect their fans to remain loyal and happy.

Here’s the way I see it.

There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.

Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

I don't care either way. But looking at the way FFG has been doing things to me says no new core book. A source book later when they know more. At the flight report they said the circle is now complete. That to me means no new core books. And I don't think they need another core book. Just a source book. And all a source book means to potential new players is you buy the core books that are out and a source book.

People really should stop acting like buying one of the existing core books and a Force Awakens source book is some insurmountable barrier.

Here’s the way I see it.

There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.

Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

I don't care either way. But looking at the way FFG has been doing things to me says no new core book. A source book later when they know more. At the flight report they said the circle is now complete. That to me means no new core books. And I don't think they need another core book. Just a source book. And all a source book means to potential new players is you buy the core books that are out and a source book.

People really should stop acting like buying one of the existing core books and a Force Awakens source book is some insurmountable barrier.

Why sell 1 book when you can sell 2-4?

Personally, I don't see them starting a new line with a new Core Rule Book just because there is a new trilogy. The only question I have is what line they would put a sourcebook under, or will it look similar to their adversary decks and the current dice packaging and just say Star Wars RPG on it?

Here’s the way I see it.

There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.

Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

I don't care either way. But looking at the way FFG has been doing things to me says no new core book. A source book later when they know more. At the flight report they said the circle is now complete. That to me means no new core books. And I don't think they need another core book. Just a source book. And all a source book means to potential new players is you buy the core books that are out and a source book.

People really should stop acting like buying one of the existing core books and a Force Awakens source book is some insurmountable barrier.

Why sell 1 book when you can sell 2-4?

Personally, I don't see them starting a new line with a new Core Rule Book just because there is a new trilogy. The only question I have is what line they would put a sourcebook under, or will it look similar to their adversary decks and the current dice packaging and just say Star Wars RPG on it?

I would say they could start a new line of books that are core agnostic. This could be where they put things like Era books.

It seems to me that it's not about buying into a new line as it is creating a new entry point for an existing line. People who buy into the new core book to play in a Force Awakens game will then be encouraged, as long as it's built to be compatible and is harvested from existing rules, to buy the existing career books, cores, and setting to flesh out their worlds as GMs and have new resources as players. OT players can buy NT supplements without having to own the NT core, since the material in the core is primarily information they already own.

Yes but by creating this new entry point they run the risk of alienating their current fan base. So the question comes back to is this risk worthwhile? Will this new entry point draw in enough new players to compensate for the ones they are about to piss off. Also there is no point in producing a new CRB if it doesn't have new setting info from Force Awakens. Each CRB is themed around a setting and if they don't put in new setting info then there isn't anything that separates a new CRB from the rest of the ones they already have now. Which is fairly pointless.

Let me just clarify a point I've already made. I think the only way a NT core is effective is if it recycles old information. That means the careers are cherry picked from the three existing cores. Most of the stat blocks for characters, weapons, and ships will be similarly the same or only modified in small ways. It's an endeavor that's mostly about marketing and repackaging. If FFG puts out a book a year following Ep VII, then what we're talking about is essentially a Greatest Hits of the existing cores with a bit of extra fluff that could be gleaned from the movies. It's sacrificing the depth of buying three core books for the breadth of having a little information from each injected into one core. Existing players lose nothing, but new players have material that's more friendly and marketable to new players. Let the material from the glut of new canon materials appear in the supplements, which will then be adaptable both to owners of the original cores and owners of the new core.

If they produce a new book that is the "greatest hits" and just cherry picks and recycles old information they will most certainly upset part of their current fan base. Basically they will have a segment of their audience that shelled out $180 for something that is now $60. It's not a win/win for them. What you've listed is pretty much why people stand opposed to the entire idea of a new CRB. They just invested $180 into the line. They don't want to see the best part of that line produced in a book 1/3 the cost of their investment. They are going to get very angry over such a move. There is no way the people who run FFG don't know this.

Which brings me back to what I've been saying repeatedly, is the new FA fanbase going to be big enough to justify alienating the current fans they have? Is starting an entirely new line going to compensate them for the sales they know they will lose from fan outrage? I honestly don't see FA being such a big hit that it's going to cause a big bump in the RPG. The toy lines, yes. Books, yes. Future movies, yes. But something as niche as an rpg? No.

FFG has an ambitious model for their books. But there is a limit to the number of times they can produce a new CRB and expect their fans to remain loyal and happy.

No. You have a portion of the audience paying $60 for a game that consolidates a third of the information from the three cores into one book. You don't get the breadth of experience you get from owning any of the individual cores. I think for most players that's not a problem. I bought EotE because I want a game built around smugglers and bounty hunters. I'd rather have a book devoted entirely to that instead of a potpourri book that gives you a small slice of that experience lumped together with information on the Rebels and jedi. But I understand how a new audience wants a buffet that offers a little of everything.

I think people make a mistake of assuming the loudest voices on the internet reflect the de facto fanbase. I didn't buy all three core books, and I'd guess most people who play the game weren't willing to invest nearly $200 in core books either.

I'd guess, if they are waiting to make a new core for the new trilogy, they're waiting to see what the audience is like. I'm assuming it will be worth it, but that's admittedly armchair quarterbacking.

You also have to factor in that new players draw in by the new core can also be enticed to purchase books from the back catalog, whereas the rabid members of the fanbase who would feel up-in-arms and betrayed have more than likely gobbled up most of the already released books they plan to get.

Here’s the way I see it.

There are some people here who seem to be desperate for a new CRB to come with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and completely totally crushed and heartbroken if they don’t get it. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

There are some other people here who seem to be terrified that a new CRB will be published with the new movies. And they’ll be absolutely and totally crushed and heartbroken if that does arrive. The Universe will end, and they will pick up their marbles and go home.

And then there’s other people who might like to see a new CRB, but wouldn’t be crushed if it doesn’t arrive. And yet another group of people who would prefer that they don’t publish a new CRB and don’t see any reason why they would, but wouldn’t be totally crushed if one was delivered.

Frankly, I think most of the people on this thread are pissing and moaning for no good reason, because the movies aren’t out yet, and what we know of this process it would be months before FFG could possibly release a new CRB, if they were going to do so.

I don't care either way. But looking at the way FFG has been doing things to me says no new core book. A source book later when they know more. At the flight report they said the circle is now complete. That to me means no new core books. And I don't think they need another core book. Just a source book. And all a source book means to potential new players is you buy the core books that are out and a source book.

People really should stop acting like buying one of the existing core books and a Force Awakens source book is some insurmountable barrier.

Why sell 1 book when you can sell 2-4?

Personally, I don't see them starting a new line with a new Core Rule Book just because there is a new trilogy. The only question I have is what line they would put a sourcebook under, or will it look similar to their adversary decks and the current dice packaging and just say Star Wars RPG on it?

I'd guess maybe the new core is split up into sections under the EotE, AoR, FaD banners, and then source books are packaged as belonging to those individual lines?

No. You have a portion of the audience paying $60 for a game that consolidates a third of the information from the three cores into one book. You don't get the breadth of experience you get from owning any of the individual cores. I think for most players that's not a problem. I bought EotE because I want a game built around smugglers and bounty hunters. I'd rather have a book devoted entirely to that instead of a potpourri book that gives you a small slice of that experience lumped together with information on the Rebels and jedi. But I understand how a new audience wants a buffet that offers a little of everything.

If you cherry pick the best from all 3 books you're going to alienate customers. There's no way around it. It will alienate some customers who already invested $180 who now have to buy a new book of more reprinted material just for new movie info. It will also alienate some new customers who will be left feeling that if they don't invest an additional $180 into their already $60 investment then they won't be getting the full experience. For the full Force rules you'll need F&D with your approach, for instance. The move is likely to be viewed by some new fans as a bait and switch. Which isn't a good idea if you're trying to build a new fan base.

I think people make a mistake of assuming the loudest voices on the internet reflect the de facto fanbase. I didn't buy all three core books, and I'd guess most people who play the game weren't willing to invest nearly $200 in core books either.

Nope. My arguments are not based on the entire fanbase or even the thoughts of the vocal fan base. My argument is based on the idea that some are going to be upset. Period. End stop. There is no way of doing this without upsetting some folks. And with that in mind I question whether or not upsetting some of their current fan base is worth the risk. I do not personally believe that they will attract enough new fans with a Force Awakens book that will mitigate the alienation they will cause.

I'd guess, if they are waiting to make a new core for the new trilogy, they're waiting to see what the audience is like. I'm assuming it will be worth it, but that's admittedly armchair quarterbacking.

I don't think they have an actual interest in anything outside the OT. Disney isn't letting them in on whats coming in the future. Which makes planning new books around the new movies to be a difficult thing. The OT is a sure thing. It's already written for the most part. They can write their own production schedule and won't have to worry about Disney's greater plans. They honestly have not shown an interest in anything outside the OT for the rpg line. I don't think Force Awakens will change that.

You also have to factor in that new players draw in by the new core can also be enticed to purchase books from the back catalog, whereas the rabid members of the fanbase who would feel up-in-arms and betrayed have more than likely gobbled up most of the already released books they plan to get.

Yes but those "rabid members of the fanbase" as you put them ...... are part of their core audience and they will be needed to gobble up new products. When producing an ongoing product it's not a smart idea to upset your fanbase just because they've already bought your old stuff. Customer retention is an important thing for the long term health of a product.

Also those new fans buying the old product would also likely need to invest in the cores for those other lines which will then have them having similar issues that I've already outlined (and I had already factored them into previous statements anyway). There is no way to entice them to the other lines with out first having to cross that bridge of "and you have $180 worth of other core books to buy too". Sure some fans will do it. But will there be enough to make up for what they would lose from alienating old and new fans? Not in my opinion.

No. You have a portion of the audience paying $60 for a game that consolidates a third of the information from the three cores into one book. You don't get the breadth of experience you get from owning any of the individual cores. I think for most players that's not a problem. I bought EotE because I want a game built around smugglers and bounty hunters. I'd rather have a book devoted entirely to that instead of a potpourri book that gives you a small slice of that experience lumped together with information on the Rebels and jedi. But I understand how a new audience wants a buffet that offers a little of everything.

If you cherry pick the best from all 3 books you're going to alienate customers. There's no way around it. It will alienate some customers who already invested $180 who now have to buy a new book of more reprinted material just for new movie info. It will also alienate some new customers who will be left feeling that if they don't invest an additional $180 into their already $60 investment then they won't be getting the full experience. For the full Force rules you'll need F&D with your approach, for instance. The move is likely to be viewed by some new fans as a bait and switch. Which isn't a good idea if you're trying to build a new fan base.

I think people make a mistake of assuming the loudest voices on the internet reflect the de facto fanbase. I didn't buy all three core books, and I'd guess most people who play the game weren't willing to invest nearly $200 in core books either.

Nope. My arguments are not based on the entire fanbase or even the thoughts of the vocal fan base. My argument is based on the idea that some are going to be upset. Period. End stop. There is no way of doing this without upsetting some folks. And with that in mind I question whether or not upsetting some of their current fan base is worth the risk. I do not personally believe that they will attract enough new fans with a Force Awakens book that will mitigate the alienation they will cause.

I'd guess, if they are waiting to make a new core for the new trilogy, they're waiting to see what the audience is like. I'm assuming it will be worth it, but that's admittedly armchair quarterbacking.

I don't think they have an actual interest in anything outside the OT. Disney isn't letting them in on whats coming in the future. Which makes planning new books around the new movies to be a difficult thing. The OT is a sure thing. It's already written for the most part. They can write their own production schedule and won't have to worry about Disney's greater plans. They honestly have not shown an interest in anything outside the OT for the rpg line. I don't think Force Awakens will change that.

You also have to factor in that new players draw in by the new core can also be enticed to purchase books from the back catalog, whereas the rabid members of the fanbase who would feel up-in-arms and betrayed have more than likely gobbled up most of the already released books they plan to get.

Yes but those "rabid members of the fanbase" as you put them ...... are part of their core audience and they will be needed to gobble up new products. When producing an ongoing product it's not a smart idea to upset your fanbase just because they've already bought your old stuff. Customer retention is an important thing for the long term health of a product.

Also those new fans buying the old product would also likely need to invest in the cores for those other lines which will then have them having similar issues that I've already outlined (and I had already factored them into previous statements anyway). There is no way to entice them to the other lines with out first having to cross that bridge of "and you have $180 worth of other core books to buy too". Sure some fans will do it. But will there be enough to make up for what they would lose from alienating old and new fans? Not in my opinion.

Eh, I think we're just at an impasse for our expectations of how the customer base will react. Probably better to just leave it at that, since it's not something I'm especially that invested in and we can't really predict how things would really pan out.

That said, you may well be right. I may have a different perspective from a lot of people as someone who came into the line late and so never got in with the ground floor of the whole three core books premise. My experience with comic book fans may make me a bit overly skeptical of how die-hard fans walk vs. how they talk.

What I'm saying is that, from the sound of things regarding FFG's relationship with the Star Wars creative team, the "new information" would more or less be irrelevant to existing players.

Why is novel information irrelevant to existing players?

Do current players have to stay locked in the OT? We can't run or play in games set in different time periods? Current players do deserve reasonably priced access to the 'scant' Post-OT canon?

Or those other time periods *require* separate core products with supporting lines?

I have to say, it wouldn't break my heart if we don't get an E7 sourcebook (or equivalent) for quite a while. I'd like to preserve that old-time sense of wonder. I recall watching, say, the cantina scene back in the seventies and saying, "whoah, who is that guy? And who is that guy?". For instance:

For over a decade, we only knew this dude as 'Hammerhead'. Even as kids we knew that wasn't his name per se, but just what Kenner chose to call him. Or maybe that was his name on-set. Either way, he was a blank slate onto which we could project anything. Now of course we know that he's Momaw Nadon, and we're filled in on his backstory, work history, zodiac sign, and favourite foods.

With the prequels it was a different story. Like, I think I knew how an MTT worked before I saw the film. Stuff like that added another element of enjoyment, to be sure, but I can't say I don't miss that feeling of wide-eyed wonder...

Eh, I think we're just at an impasse for our expectations of how the customer base will react. Probably better to just leave it at that, since it's not something I'm especially that invested in and we can't really predict how things would really pan out.

That said, you may well be right. I may have a different perspective from a lot of people as someone who came into the line late and so never got in with the ground floor of the whole three core books premise. My experience with comic book fans may make me a bit overly skeptical of how die-hard fans walk vs. how they talk.

I guess we are at an impasse. All things considered I would like FA products, I just don't want them to strong arm me for it. But then again I'm also convinced that FFG has no interest in anything but the OT when it comes to their rpg line.

A new core book with pieces of the others in it would make a lot of sense. As would a simple TFA Splat book. However, as included below, either FFG influenced Disney, or their artists knew something...

The "Force Sensitive Emergent" from Age of Rebellion. Remind you of anyone?

A new core book with pieces of the others in it would make a lot of sense. As would a simple TFA Splat book. However, as included below, either FFG influenced Disney, or their artists knew something...

The "Force Sensitive Emergent" from Age of Rebellion. Remind you of anyone?

Alienating your customer base to appease a few new ones who would likely have to buy all the other core books does not sound like a smart move. When those new customers would be better served buying an existing core rule book and a sourcebook. At least that way you are not starting them off buying 4 core rule books. You start them off buying 2 books. We need another core rule book like we need a hole in our heads. And I am pretty sure FFG concurs. What with them saying the cycle is now complete.

Oh, I don't think a new Core would be good for my pocketbook. I would still buy it. I do hope that they stick with just a splatbook though. I think a large "supplement" would be best, but for which core system?

I don't see why releasing a new game would be "alienating your customer base"...

The Star Wars Narative system RPG is complete as promised. You don't need anymore CRB's beyond the 3 released to be able to play it. Thus the promise to the "customer base" has been fulfilled and expectation should have been met.

I don't see why releasing a new game would be "alienating your customer base"...

The Star Wars Narative system RPG is complete as promised. You don't need anymore CRB's beyond the 3 released to be able to play it. Thus the promise to the "customer base" has been fulfilled and expectation should have been met.

This has been explained here and elsewhere multiple times, but one more time...

If they release a new game, it will, invariably, contain a small amount of information (stat blocks, rules, etc) not included in the previously published core books.

That information will effectively be placed behind a substantial pay-wall. Insisting on a new core product only gives the current players two crappy choices as consumers:

1. Pay an exorbitant sum to include a small amount of information in the game
2. Not have the option of including that information in their game

I hope that's clear now.

Really, the 3 cores' rules should be applicable to *every* Star Wars setting; as an example we have nearly 20 options for life on the fringe, life in the military, and life with the force, each! The only thing that needs to be added is stat blocks for anachronistic 'stuff' (weapons, vehicles, etc) and maybe some supplemental rules for relevant mechanics.

You simply don't need a whole new core product to support *any* time frame OR to appeal to new players.

You didn't read my post I guess, sure you quoted it but that is about it... Well that and unnecesary, unfounded arrogance.

I wonder if the xwing boards reacted like this when people first brought up Armada.