If anything is coming before TFA it wont be based on the movie, but the lead up to the movie. if there are any RPG products based on TFA then defiantly a long way away. Considering the long game that FFG has been playing with this system they may decide that there are another 2 movies in this trilogy, as well as at least 2 stand alone, they could easily hold back for 2 years. Its not like there isn't an absolute boat load of other books for them to publish to fill out their planed library for this system

Plus, thusfar the time between anouncement and release has been long for the difftent rulebooks. Well at least for the major ones...

The Aftermath trilogy is supposed to deal with the period in between OT and TFA with the first book due out prior to the E7. I would imagine they could do a region and adventure kind of sourcebook just based off that first novel.

This first book came out today, but I wasn't aware it is supposed to be apart of a trilogy.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/10/chuck-wendigs-star-wars-book-aftermath-gets-trilogy-treatment

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.
It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

We know that FFG have considered all the Careers and Specs from every planed book when designing things like ranked talents and talent combinations. specifically tracking the number of a ranked talent to try to keep them from becoming over powered. I'm not sure they would be easily able to create a whole new list of 6 Careers, unless they deliberately only duplicated existing or planed ones, therefore making the book even more a book of duplicate material. its possible I'm sure, but just seems unlikely to me.

They JUST released Force and Destiny. So no I don't think they will be doing another core. Maybe next year there will be a sourcebook of some sort.

no one said there would be a new book next month...

Okay, I am just going to say it. Force Friday left me completely underwhelmed... Not complaining but I would have thought there would have been at least one or two more reveals or announcements, perhaps that Technician book I am still holding my breath for.

Still think if they produce a new set of core rule books they won't be because of the new movie but if they need to release a 2nd edition and those are a thing.

For now I can see a series of supplements sometime next year once they know what would need to be changed to accommodate the new canon.

Order 66 will prove helpful once they get to that stage after all they got me more interested in Far Horizons enough to take another look and order a copy of Desperate Allies once I learnt they have some information on Rebel Bases.

Now I can see them going into more detail especially after Episode 7 is released and they're able to explore adding that information to their line of Star Wars games.

All of their games since that is what this will need.

As someone who flat-out has zero interest in the new films...

I'm happy the game is set where it is and wouldn't be interested in any sequel content. I'm happy that they didn't feel a need to do a separate core book for the prequels, and just bled in some prequel content into the existing books.

But realistically, they want to make money off the new stuff and so will find a way to do that.

I'd be okay with a setting book or something, easy to ignore or even just mine for new toys without changing the existing campaign.

And in any case, anyone who wants to run a sequel game already has the existing rules. Do we really need new careers and the like? Presumably twi'leks and wookiees will still be around? Is there really a huge difference between an Alliance Pilot and a whatever-they're-calling-the-Alliance-now Pilot? Is a SequelTrooper really going to be so different from a Stormtrooper in the original films?

Sure, we will see new species but couldn't they be covered in splatbooks like the Chiss or Toydarians?

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.

It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

This is mostly my reasoning as well. It would be counterproductive vis-a-vis "acquiring" new customers fresh from the movie theaters to make some rulebooks mandatory for play when they're set 30 years prior to the movie they just saw. I agree completely that a new set of core rules woulnd't be of much interest to the existing fan base, but I don't think the existing fanbase would be the primary target for a book like that.

Don't get me wrong, I think there would absolutely be a market for some kind of sourcebook that deals with what the galaxy looks like 30 years into the future. And FFG might very well do both; a core book for new players just getting into Star Wars from the new movie(s), and an era sourcebook for those of us who are already hooked anyway.

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.

It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

This is mostly my reasoning as well. It would be counterproductive vis-a-vis "acquiring" new customers fresh from the movie theaters to make some rulebooks mandatory for play when they're set 30 years prior to the movie they just saw. I agree completely that a new set of core rules woulnd't be of much interest to the existing fan base, but I don't think the existing fanbase would be the primary target for a book like that.

Don't get me wrong, I think there would absolutely be a market for some kind of sourcebook that deals with what the galaxy looks like 30 years into the future. And FFG might very well do both; a core book for new players just getting into Star Wars from the new movie(s), and an era sourcebook for those of us who are already hooked anyway.

Yup.

I think the information needed to play in the Ep. VII setting is slightly larger than say, Lords of Nal Hutta, but a new player wanting to play in that setting won't go out and buy any of the existing core rulebooks plus the Ep VII setting book to play.

The best choice will still be to sell it as a core book.

Especially since pretty much ALL the material they release for the Ep VII setting will be nigh-useless in the other settings.

So I'm 100% sure it will be a core rulebook.

And I'm also sure that anyone that's already bought more than one core book will splash out the dough to get that core book if they want to play in that setting.

They might whine about it, but they'll still buy it.

(At least they probably won't bring out 3 separate core rulebooks to play in that one setting, unlike this setting which has 3 different ones)

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.

It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

This is mostly my reasoning as well. It would be counterproductive vis-a-vis "acquiring" new customers fresh from the movie theaters to make some rulebooks mandatory for play when they're set 30 years prior to the movie they just saw. I agree completely that a new set of core rules woulnd't be of much interest to the existing fan base, but I don't think the existing fanbase would be the primary target for a book like that.

Don't get me wrong, I think there would absolutely be a market for some kind of sourcebook that deals with what the galaxy looks like 30 years into the future. And FFG might very well do both; a core book for new players just getting into Star Wars from the new movie(s), and an era sourcebook for those of us who are already hooked anyway.

Yup.

I think the information needed to play in the Ep. VII setting is slightly larger than say, Lords of Nal Hutta, but a new player wanting to play in that setting won't go out and buy any of the existing core rulebooks plus the Ep VII setting book to play.

The best choice will still be to sell it as a core book.

Especially since pretty much ALL the material they release for the Ep VII setting will be nigh-useless in the other settings.

So I'm 100% sure it will be a core rulebook.

And I'm also sure that anyone that's already bought more than one core book will splash out the dough to get that core book if they want to play in that setting.

They might whine about it, but they'll still buy it.

(At least they probably won't bring out 3 separate core rulebooks to play in that one setting, unlike this setting which has 3 different ones)

Yep, this what I've been saying all along. It makes zero sense to look at the existing players and figure out what they 'need'. They will buy the $60 book eventhough they would have settled for the $40 one. The new players however will not buy three crb's and a settings book to play the setting they just saw. FFG caters to all players and not just the current ones. There is a reason the big reveal was a new starter set for X-Wing.

Then again, I think a reskinning of the current books is a viable possibility as well.

A beginner box set would be nice, as long as they don't copy wotc's efforts to explain the latest changes to Faerun we should count our blessings!

I've been arguing forever that a new core is the smartest way to go, and it doesn't have to be done in a way that alienates existing players. You're going to have a huge new fanbase interested in everything Star Wars, and you want a product that says "This is everything you need to run a game in this setting". It doesn't need to be a huge investment either. Pull two careers from the three existing cores (EotE and AoR have a lot of crossover anyway) and plug in the same mechanical information. As far as setting material is concerned, you can double up here by providing that stuff in the core book and then stripping it of all the mechanics that come with a core and releasing it as a setting/era book at a cheaper price for fans who've already bought into the FFG ecosystem. If you're really set on putting an olive branch out to existing fans, you can release a PDF explaining any changes made in the core rule, and you can release adversary and equipment decks so they can get the missing material at a reasonable price.

If they want to go less ambitious, I could see them pairing each movie up with a line. Release a setting book and an adventure for each of the pillars that aligns with the movie in question. So we might get an Edge of the Empire setting book that bridges the gap between the OT and Ep VII and details the state of the outer worlds in the midst of the Empire's collapse and an adventure that leads into VII. Once Ep VII is released, put out a book about the New Republic, and so on.

Oh, looks like the discussion's already been had.

Okay, I am just going to say it. Force Friday left me completely underwhelmed... Not complaining but I would have thought there would have been at least one or two more reveals or announcements, perhaps that Technician book I am still holding my breath for.

apparently you are not the only one!

Oh no, I am not talking about adults lining up at night to buy children's toys a week early. Even us nerds can look down on some!

I just wanted more reveals. Movie wise and here.

Okay, I am just going to say it. Force Friday left me completely underwhelmed... Not complaining but I would have thought there would have been at least one or two more reveals or announcements, perhaps that Technician book I am still holding my breath for.

apparently you are not the only one!

I laugh because I went to TRU at 11am Friday morning in my area and everything was stocked and almost no one there. Hell, if I wasn't morally opposed to scalping toys I could have made a neat profit selling everything I could afford on Ebay.

I was just there to pick up the new Risk Star Wars edition (which is actually not Risk, but a variation on the old game Queen's Gambit which is actually a good game) though.

I laugh because I went to TRU at 11am Friday morning in my area and everything was stocked and almost no one there. Hell, if I wasn't morally opposed to scalping toys I could have made a neat profit selling everything I could afford on Ebay.

I might pick up a Black Series Neo-Stormtrooper and a Kylo Ren and perhaps the 180 buck FX Kylo Saber (I gotta admit that the goofy-as-hell broadsword design is growing on me) - but I am in no rush for these things. I'll get them eventually someday.

2005 Me is aghast at this thought, that I couldn't be arsed to get out of bed for a midnight madness toy rush and walking out with a shopping cart full of figures. Oh how the times have changed.

Okay, I am just going to say it. Force Friday left me completely underwhelmed... Not complaining but I would have thought there would have been at least one or two more reveals or announcements, perhaps that Technician book I am still holding my breath for.

apparently you are not the only one!

I'd just like to point out, for balance and perspective, that I live in Sweden, and the only black series I can find are the fugly Luke Skywalkers (the bespin one), Han Solo and the plain Stormtrooper...

That's what's been available here for the last year at least...

Can't find anything else, unless I'm willing to drive 6-10 hours to the 2 largest cities in the country.

But yeah... I'm really feeling for you... truly...

Okay, I am just going to say it. Force Friday left me completely underwhelmed... Not complaining but I would have thought there would have been at least one or two more reveals or announcements, perhaps that Technician book I am still holding my breath for.

apparently you are not the only one!

The problem there is allowing an individual to just buy three copies of an item.

They should have gladiatorial pit fights instead.

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.

It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

This is mostly my reasoning as well. It would be counterproductive vis-a-vis "acquiring" new customers fresh from the movie theaters to make some rulebooks mandatory for play when they're set 30 years prior to the movie they just saw. I agree completely that a new set of core rules woulnd't be of much interest to the existing fan base, but I don't think the existing fanbase would be the primary target for a book like that.

Don't get me wrong, I think there would absolutely be a market for some kind of sourcebook that deals with what the galaxy looks like 30 years into the future. And FFG might very well do both; a core book for new players just getting into Star Wars from the new movie(s), and an era sourcebook for those of us who are already hooked anyway.

seeing as how they have been given next to zero information on what will be in the movie they really can't do a core. And a core for them means a year of internal writing and testing followed by a beta and adjustments for 6 months or so followed by a few months finalizing the book and then releasing the book. This process takes too long to use the movie buzz to propel it. That would be a core book 2 years from now. I don't think that is a good investment of FFG's time.

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.

It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

This is mostly my reasoning as well. It would be counterproductive vis-a-vis "acquiring" new customers fresh from the movie theaters to make some rulebooks mandatory for play when they're set 30 years prior to the movie they just saw. I agree completely that a new set of core rules woulnd't be of much interest to the existing fan base, but I don't think the existing fanbase would be the primary target for a book like that.

Don't get me wrong, I think there would absolutely be a market for some kind of sourcebook that deals with what the galaxy looks like 30 years into the future. And FFG might very well do both; a core book for new players just getting into Star Wars from the new movie(s), and an era sourcebook for those of us who are already hooked anyway.

seeing as how they have been given next to zero information on what will be in the movie they really can't do a core. And a core for them means a year of internal writing and testing followed by a beta and adjustments for 6 months or so followed by a few months finalizing the book and then releasing the book. This process takes too long to use the movie buzz to propel it. That would be a core book 2 years from now. I don't think that is a good investment of FFG's time.

Well the rules are done. It would mostly be the fluff that would need to be updated. Maybe a few vehicle stats.

It will be a core book for the simple reason that someone new to Star Wars RPG's, drawn in to try it for the first time, is not going to be buying EotE, AoR or F&D just to be able to play an Ep 7 book.

It will be a core book so that people can just start playing in the Ep 7 timeline right off the bat without the need for anything else.

And since it's a core book, you can bet your butt that there'll be a beginners set and a game masters kit as well.

I simply cannot see it done any other way from a business standpoint.

(no matter how much we would like it to be otherwise)

Also, as far as we know, the setting might be different enough to actually warrant a core book instead of just a sourcebook.

This is mostly my reasoning as well. It would be counterproductive vis-a-vis "acquiring" new customers fresh from the movie theaters to make some rulebooks mandatory for play when they're set 30 years prior to the movie they just saw. I agree completely that a new set of core rules woulnd't be of much interest to the existing fan base, but I don't think the existing fanbase would be the primary target for a book like that.

Don't get me wrong, I think there would absolutely be a market for some kind of sourcebook that deals with what the galaxy looks like 30 years into the future. And FFG might very well do both; a core book for new players just getting into Star Wars from the new movie(s), and an era sourcebook for those of us who are already hooked anyway.

seeing as how they have been given next to zero information on what will be in the movie they really can't do a core. And a core for them means a year of internal writing and testing followed by a beta and adjustments for 6 months or so followed by a few months finalizing the book and then releasing the book. This process takes too long to use the movie buzz to propel it. That would be a core book 2 years from now. I don't think that is a good investment of FFG's time.

Well the rules are done. It would mostly be the fluff that would need to be updated. Maybe a few vehicle stats.

True. But the recent Order 66 podcast says no... it will not be happening.

So I'm 100% sure it will be a core rulebook.

And I'm also sure that anyone that's already bought more than one core book will splash out the dough to get that core book if they want to play in that setting.

They might whine about it, but they'll still buy it.

(At least they probably won't bring out 3 separate core rulebooks to play in that one setting, unlike this setting which has 3 different ones)

I guess I'll be in the minority but ..... I can't justify $60 just for setting info. The rules would need to be very different from the other 3 books to convince me to buy into yet another core book. Unless the world of Force Awakens is so radically different that it needs to be it's own core I just don't see a lot of older players buying into it. JJ is going to have deliver the decades best film in that case.

I honestly don't think FFG is interested in doing anything other than the OT. I don't see them venturing off with more core books or setting books. They have a niche here and I think they are happy with it. If they were really interested in setting books or anything outside of the OT I think we'd of seen hints of a PT books, which are a known quantity and thus easier to produce gaming products for as opposed to the NT which will be six years before their complete. I forsee the only Force Awaken stuff we'll see will be in the mini's which doesn't require much more than to make some new ships.