That said, there is nothing in the rules of the game that requires a lightsaber to be built by a force sensitive person.

I wasn't answering a rules based question. I was explaining how the process has been depicted in the source material. I'm aware of what the rules say. The rules leave it up to the GM and if you really want to do it then go for it. But based on the source material using the Force seems to be a key element in constructing one. Not my opinion, just posting what has been presented by the canon sources.

You seem to be of the opinion that a droid can't make a lightsaber, which is cool for your table.

I'm not really discussing my table or really my opinion. It's not my opinion that the Force is an important part. It's how lightsabre construction has been depicted. You asked me to back my position up with source material and I have. You asked for proof and I showed it to you. What you do with that proof is your business. But ulimtately according to the canon material using the Force is a key component to making a lightsabre. There's a very real chance that the reason we never see a droid make one (and there have been chances to depict a droid making one such as one episode of TCW) is because they can't and the creators see no point in showing a droid failing at the task as it wouldn't move the story forward any.

Don't ask for proof if you don't really want it.

>.< Ok but, "proof" would imply a hard-set rule. Which is what I was looking for. Listing all of the examples of how a force sensitive makes a saber doesn't prove a non-force sensitive can't, it just provides a precedent.

My apologies though, I was asking for either definitive in-canon proof (which I haven't seen yet) or an in game rule. My question stems from a hypothetical in-game possibility (that the rules allow) and what possible outcomes would come of it. You're suggestion is obviously "it doesn't work", which is cool and supported by the precedent provided by canon. Since this is a RPG that often challenges that precedent, I'm still curious to get other ideas on what a droid (or non Force user) made lightsaber would look like.

It has repeatedly been said in many books that Jedi have to attune the crystal to get it to work. Hell it is subtly said by Huyang that you have to "wake" the force in the crystal to get it to work.

THIS was the missing link I was looking for, good catch. This episode is actually interesting for two reasons. 1) Huyang implies that a Kyber crystal is useless without first being "awakened" by a force user; and 2) Hondo is attempting to steal the Kyber crystals because they are worth a lot of money (the implication being that the crystals are worth so much BECAUSE you make sabers from them). This could mean that either Huyang is lying, thus the crystals are indeed still usable and worth a lot of money. Or that Hondo was mislead/the buyers were mislead/the buyers were force sensitive. I'm inclined to side with Huyang.

All this, combined with the info and sidebar on page 195/196 of FaD, leads me to believe that while working with a kyber crystal is very much a possibility for a non force user, it is far more difficult and probably time consuming. Attuning to a kyber crystal however, is impossible. To be more specific, pg. 195 describes changing (installing) a new kyber crystal as using up the users Force energies; thus making it impossible for a droid or non-Force user to swap or initially install a kyber crystal attachment. (This would still allow a droid like Huyang to help modify an already installed crystal, but not install the attachment himself.) Now of course the Force is a mysterious thing, so maybe it decides to give a droid a working crystal or something, IDK. But otherwise the general rule is that if you can't use the force, you can't install a kyber crystal attachment.

I'm going to assume "training emitters" are exempt from this, as they don't seem to require a crystal. One part of the book describes it as having one, the other doesn't. Plus it isn't Restricted and only cost 100 credits(!), which seems like an oversight if every Training Emitter requires a force sensitive adegan crystal...

I've always felt that the whole "Jedi assembling a lightsaber with telekinesis" to be more a case of eye-candy in visual media like games and cartoons than an actual representation of the process. Let's face it, if someone was going to build a lightsaber this way in-game according to RAW, they'd absolutely have to have the Move power and advance it to the point where you could use it to do anything you could do with your hands. You didn't invest in the Move power? No lightsaber for you.

If someone has a problem with droids or other non-Force users building lightsabers I thing this is something that corrects itself. For one, they won't be able to add their Force rating to the Mechanics check. Second (and this is just my opinion, I don't know if the core rules support this) they wouldn't get the difficulty decrease that a Jedi gets when working on his own lightsaber.

There's also the fact that while the mechanical components of a lightsaber are fairly commonplace, there is absolutely no indication in the lore that the design schematics are common knowledge.

On a side note from Jasonco2's dilemma, I saw Katrina Ostrander from FFG share Kyla's test on her twitter feed. I found that amusing.

LoL ... maybe she'll give me a job! Would love to write for FFG!

I'm super psyked she liked, but then again, I'm super psyked any of you like anything I put up! ^.^

I've always felt that the whole "Jedi assembling a lightsaber with telekinesis" to be more a case of eye-candy in visual media like games and cartoons than an actual representation of the process. Let's face it, if someone was going to build a lightsaber this way in-game according to RAW, they'd absolutely have to have the Move power and advance it to the point where you could use it to do anything you could do with your hands. You didn't invest in the Move power? No lightsaber for you.

If someone has a problem with droids or other non-Force users building lightsabers I thing this is something that corrects itself. For one, they won't be able to add their Force rating to the Mechanics check. Second (and this is just my opinion, I don't know if the core rules support this) they wouldn't get the difficulty decrease that a Jedi gets when working on his own lightsaber.

There's also the fact that while the mechanical components of a lightsaber are fairly commonplace, there is absolutely no indication in the lore that the design schematics are common knowledge.

My take on things is from the Rulebook in the Sub-bar on Lightsaber hilts;

"The soul of each lightsaber is its crystal (...) The process was as much a spiritual journey as a physical search (...) In finding a crystal, they bonded with it in a way that transcended the physical realm. The hilt of the lightsaber, on the other hand, is a primarily mechanical system."

This leads me to believe that a lightsaber crystal is more than a piece of crystal, but a metaphysically prepared piece of crystal. Remember, the lightsaber (taken from the paragraph under Lightsabers in the equipment section) "utilizes a stabilized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as a star at its core."

By the properties of basic physics this is crazy impossible - so the "Star Wars" anti-physics excuse? "Metaphysical uber-lightsaber crystals" that channel the physics acceptable power through them and turns them into super science. Without one of these uber-awesome attuned crystals, the construction of the lightsaber fails. If the droid has an attuned crystal, then it is the color of whatever being attuned to it, if he doesn't have an attuned crystal, the crystal cracks under the pressure or is impure and won't focus the energy properly or any of a hundred other common failures (or successes) of sending lots of power through a focusing crystal.

As for a droid attuning a crystal himself - I don't have my copy of the GM's kit on me, but the process requires connection to the Force. The RAW pretty much cover that Droids cannot sense or connect to the Force.

DISCLAIMER: this post is addressng the color dilemma again, not the above discussions.

So I've been thinking about the color thing and the idea of going to 'color = type of crystal used'.

(My games run a blend of canon/Legends, leaning towards 'not applicable in either' to 'more Legends'.)

So, you have different colors.

• Blue
• Green
• Red
• Yellow
• Purple
• Orange
• Pink/magenta
• White
• Silver
• Gold/bronze
• Blue-green (aquamarine, cyan, teal, turquiose)
• Black

A green crytsal can produce nearly any shade of green; viridian is a shade of green and appears in KotOR II, but if a player wants viridian, it's just green. Blue-green is serparate because of their relative rarity and being used by few individuals. Silver can cover varying shades of gray, approaching darker shades. Brown has cropped up before in Legends, and it can maybe fall under the gold/bronze. Or you can give brown its own color, make bronze a shade of brown and have yellow cover gold.

So, now, which crystals get which colors?

• Ilum produces blues and greens. This is canon. I suppose, under very rare circumstances, you can include blue-green.
• Synthetic Sith crystals produce red. Also canon. Maybe a stark, bloody red.
• Athiss and Rubat can produce almost any color, barring red, white and silver. Blues, greens and yellows are common while the others are uncommon or rarer.
• Barab Ingots can produce any color, and gives the blade a burning, fiery look.
• Dantari can produce any color, including red, but barring white and silver. The red would appear more 'natural', less like blood and more like a reds at sunset, with pink or orange shades.
• Krayt dragon pearls produce a pearly white color.
• I am undecided on Lorrdian, Dragite and Sapith, although you can probably apply the same to them as Athiss and Rubat.
• Mephite/Adegan crystals can include the rarer crystal colors, barring red.
• There is no known crystal which produces a black blade the same as the Darksaber.
• Other crystals which we don't have stats to and might appear (or will get homebrewed stats *hint hint*) include: Durindfire (silver), Hurrikaine (purple) and Qixoni (red; Dark Side crystal).
• There are a bunch other crystals which will probably also appear in the F&D supplements (or homebrews *hint hint*); you can probably apply the Athiss/Rubat rule to them, but we'll see.

You still have the question of assigning a color: should the PCs just pick one because it doesn't matter that much, or create some kind chart to roll on and determine what color they will get? I'll be honest and say that I don't like the 'your personality and alighment determine the color' interpretation, but that's just me.

On a side note from Jasonco2's dilemma, I saw Katrina Ostrander from FFG share Kyla's test on her twitter feed. I found that amusing.

LoL ... maybe she'll give me a job! Would love to write for FFG!

I'm super psyked she liked, but then again, I'm super psyked any of you like anything I put up! ^.^

I've always felt that the whole "Jedi assembling a lightsaber with telekinesis" to be more a case of eye-candy in visual media like games and cartoons than an actual representation of the process. Let's face it, if someone was going to build a lightsaber this way in-game according to RAW, they'd absolutely have to have the Move power and advance it to the point where you could use it to do anything you could do with your hands. You didn't invest in the Move power? No lightsaber for you.

If someone has a problem with droids or other non-Force users building lightsabers I thing this is something that corrects itself. For one, they won't be able to add their Force rating to the Mechanics check. Second (and this is just my opinion, I don't know if the core rules support this) they wouldn't get the difficulty decrease that a Jedi gets when working on his own lightsaber.

There's also the fact that while the mechanical components of a lightsaber are fairly commonplace, there is absolutely no indication in the lore that the design schematics are common knowledge.

My take on things is from the Rulebook in the Sub-bar on Lightsaber hilts;

"The soul of each lightsaber is its crystal (...) The process was as much a spiritual journey as a physical search (...) In finding a crystal, they bonded with it in a way that transcended the physical realm. The hilt of the lightsaber, on the other hand, is a primarily mechanical system."

This leads me to believe that a lightsaber crystal is more than a piece of crystal, but a metaphysically prepared piece of crystal. Remember, the lightsaber (taken from the paragraph under Lightsabers in the equipment section) "utilizes a stabilized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as a star at its core."

By the properties of basic physics this is crazy impossible - so the "Star Wars" anti-physics excuse? "Metaphysical uber-lightsaber crystals" that channel the physics acceptable power through them and turns them into super science. Without one of these uber-awesome attuned crystals, the construction of the lightsaber fails. If the droid has an attuned crystal, then it is the color of whatever being attuned to it, if he doesn't have an attuned crystal, the crystal cracks under the pressure or is impure and won't focus the energy properly or any of a hundred other common failures (or successes) of sending lots of power through a focusing crystal.

As for a droid attuning a crystal himself - I don't have my copy of the GM's kit on me, but the process requires connection to the Force. The RAW pretty much cover that Droids cannot sense or connect to the Force.

I wouldn't let a droid or non-Force sensitive character build a lightsaber with a new, un-attuned crystal. But if they were to get their hands on one that was already attuned, i.e. had been used in another lightsaber previously, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. After all, the databank states that the crystal first takes its colour after the personality of the person attuning to it, and then keeps that colour afterwards. This leads me to believe that attunement is only required the first time the crystal is used.

I wouldn't let a droid or non-Force sensitive character build a lightsaber with a new, un-attuned crystal. But if they were to get their hands on one that was already attuned, i.e. had been used in another lightsaber previously, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. After all, the databank states that the crystal first takes its colour after the personality of the person attuning to it, and then keeps that colour afterwards. This leads me to believe that attunement is only required the first time the crystal is used.

That's how I see it too - that it's part of the final processing of the crystal in preparation for use (imagine it as a metaphysical curing process if you will) - once that is done, the crystal takes on its color and is ready for use (or re-use) as time goes on. If you wanted a pseudo-scientific reasoning behind it you could say that the attunement changes the crystalline structure on a molecular level to allow it to survive the insane forces that serving as a lightsaber crystal will put it under. You could further say that the way you change the molecular structure is what produces the color itself (do you try and shunt the energy by increasing the crystalline latticework to act in harmony with the forces it will endure {blue}, do you strengthen the crystal by tightening the molecular bonds to increase the crystals resistance {red}, or do you loosen the matrix, allowing the crystal to bend and flow around the forces lessening the pressure they exert on the crystal itself by shunting off unneeded energy {yellow} - or some mix of the three?).

I wouldn't let a droid or non-Force sensitive character build a lightsaber with a new, un-attuned crystal. But if they were to get their hands on one that was already attuned, i.e. had been used in another lightsaber previously, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. After all, the databank states that the crystal first takes its colour after the personality of the person attuning to it, and then keeps that colour afterwards. This leads me to believe that attunement is only required the first time the crystal is used.

That's how I see it too - that it's part of the final processing of the crystal in preparation for use (imagine it as a metaphysical curing process if you will) - once that is done, the crystal takes on its color and is ready for use (or re-use) as time goes on. If you wanted a pseudo-scientific reasoning behind it you could say that the attunement changes the crystalline structure on a molecular level to allow it to survive the insane forces that serving as a lightsaber crystal will put it under. You could further say that the way you change the molecular structure is what produces the color itself (do you try and shunt the energy by increasing the crystalline latticework to act in harmony with the forces it will endure {blue}, do you strengthen the crystal by tightening the molecular bonds to increase the crystals resistance {red}, or do you loosen the matrix, allowing the crystal to bend and flow around the forces lessening the pressure they exert on the crystal itself by shunting off unneeded energy {yellow} - or some mix of the three?).

Thanks you guys! A lot of wonderful ideas and info in this thread!

Since we're on the topic of the pseudo-science behind crystal attunement, do you also think it's possible for environmental stimuli to "awaken" a crystal? Say a non-Force user (so no direct influence from them) had a crystal on them, and did something truly heroic or terrible? Actions clearly have a resonance in the Force, and the Force can clearly influence the environment. So could an environmental factor "bleed" into surrounding kyber crystals? I'm just imagining an ancient Jedi temple where a valiant Jedi made their last stand being covered in blue and green crystals "attuned" to the event. Or an asteroid where a great tragedy happened gaining the blood red glow of countless kyber crystals. Thoughts?

Thanks you guys! A lot of wonderful ideas and info in this thread!

Since we're on the topic of the pseudo-science behind crystal attunement, do you also think it's possible for environmental stimuli to "awaken" a crystal? Say a non-Force user (so no direct influence from them) had a crystal on them, and did something truly heroic or terrible? Actions clearly have a resonance in the Force, and the Force can clearly influence the environment. So could an environmental factor "bleed" into surrounding kyber crystals? I'm just imagining an ancient Jedi temple where a valiant Jedi made their last stand being covered in blue and green crystals "attuned" to the event. Or an asteroid where a great tragedy happened gaining the blood red glow of countless kyber crystals. Thoughts?

I'd say no. The act of attuning with a lightsaber crystal seems to me to be a conscious act requiring deliberate focus and meditation, not something that just happens. I could see making an exception for crystals "growing" in Force nexi, Light side or Dark, and being influenced by those inherent energies, but personally I'd much rather have it be something that comes from the character making the lightsaber than from the environment. I just like the way that it gives the player more agency in shaping his character, as opposed to it being predetermined before he got there.

Since we're on the topic of the pseudo-science behind crystal attunement, do you also think it's possible for environmental stimuli to "awaken" a crystal? Say a non-Force user (so no direct influence from them) had a crystal on them, and did something truly heroic or terrible? Actions clearly have a resonance in the Force, and the Force can clearly influence the environment. So could an environmental factor "bleed" into surrounding kyber crystals? I'm just imagining an ancient Jedi temple where a valiant Jedi made their last stand being covered in blue and green crystals "attuned" to the event. Or an asteroid where a great tragedy happened gaining the blood red glow of countless kyber crystals. Thoughts?

I really like this idea as a story mcguffin - but it certainly wouldn't be more than a completely unique occurrence. I could produce a truly unique crystal that would represent the culmination of a story. More appropriate though, would to have it as the wazdakka-uber-bbeg weapon. The PC's hear of tales of this evil BBEG who wields a blade of pure malevolence. As they investigate or uncover more about the BBEG, they find he traveled to some planet that has no significance and when he returned he began wielding the wazdakka-uber-bbeg weapon. Investigation on the planet reveals the story of an ancient battle between Sith and Jedi that cause the planet/system/sector to be totally wiped out (a la Revan and the Mandalorians). When they get to said planet they find fields of broken crystals (maybe even the Sith and Jedi crystalized or some such) and while there they find the anti-wazdakka-uber-mcguffin, which can be made to form a blade capable of matching it's malevolent cousin, but only after finding someone who still remembers the arts of the Jedi Artisan.

Of course, as I write the above it occurs to me that they should also find a tiger large enough to act as a mount, but with a terrible cowardly streak, and an ancient alien Jedi who floats and wears a scarf over his face (as he was horribly scarred in the battle). And when the PC's finally form the uber-saber-of-good the wielder must raise the saber above his head all New Hope poster style, and shout "I HAVE THE POWER" at which point, he will get an additional 10 Brawn and turn the cowardly tiger mount into a raging-armored-combat-tiger-monster.

In "I, Jedi" Corran Horn's lightsaber blade was silver. I don't think he was all that unique as a jedi. I think that if the player can present a good narrative as to why their lightsaber might have a different color crystal the GM should be able to work with them on it. Perhaps telling the player that the blade is blue/green/yellow/red to start with but if the player roleplays the character in ways that enforce that original narrative, have the blade start to change hue to the color the player wants. This would help the character build within the narrative of the groups storyline.

I personally take the attitude that each colour is attuned to the unique personality of the being who first claims it. Each individual is different, and this is reflected in how their crystal takes shape and what colour it displays as. Thus, it can be any colour - the Force is mysterious like that. I've put together a handy guide on the different colours of blade and how I feel they reflect certain traits, which I can post if there's interest.

Off-topic: this sort of discussion is why I like Star Wars and actually have come round to Legends. With no established canon outside of the movies and the ever-more-varied tv shows, you can make a lot of your own judgements. Hence why everyone above had their own judgement to make.

Hey ColonelCommissar! Mind sharing your guide? :-)

But what's stopping a droid from building a Lightsaber? You don't need the force to construct one (if so, proof?). Indeed, even the Jedi used a droid to assist their younglings in the construction of their lightsabers.

The droids never constructed the lightsabre. They just had the technical skills of how to do it. It's been fairly consistent but part of the process seems to involve manipulating all the pieces through the force with the lightsabre coming together not by physical hands but an act of using move object to assemble all the pieces together.

Check out this link

https://www.google.com/search?q=constructing+a+lightsaber&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCoQsARqFQoTCM-L3oDP9ccCFRQTkgodmC4JiQ&biw=1366&bih=667

You'll see through the various pictures that when constructing a lightsabre the parts are assembled using the Force as the Jedi meditates on the act of making the lightsabre. Whether we're talking about the Clone Wars (both versions of the cartoon show), Force Unleashed, cut scenes from Return of the Jedi .... etc etc .... we consistently see that the act of assembling a lightsabre is done via the Force and not with their hands. Thus I tend to reason that attunment of the crystal to the Jedi occurs during this final act.

A droid can have the technical know how to build a lightsabre. But they lack the ability to actually construct it, as evidenced by a fairly consistent depiction of it all coming together.

Here's a youtube video from SWTOR. All things considered googling and youtube will show you this pattern of how it's done.

Let's not forget I, Jedi when Corran builds his lightsaber. It does a very good job of describing the importance of the Force in creating a lightsaber.

I wouldn't let a droid or non-Force sensitive character build a lightsaber with a new, un-attuned crystal. But if they were to get their hands on one that was already attuned, i.e. had been used in another lightsaber previously, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. After all, the databank states that the crystal first takes its colour after the personality of the person attuning to it, and then keeps that colour afterwards. This leads me to believe that attunement is only required the first time the crystal is used.

The general suggestion coming from most official sources is that building a lightsaber and handling the alignment of the crystal are very involved activities which require the force. In Heir to the Force, which I believe is part of their new canon timeline and materials, Luke obtains a broken and old lightsaber and comments that he believes it would take greater skill in the force than he currently has to get it working again.

If the issue with the lightsaber is simply a basic mechanical/electrical one that is one thing, but if the crystal isn't aligned properly getting it done right is something that requires the force.

Hey ColonelCommissar! Mind sharing your guide? :-)

Here you go:

Lightsaber Colour Crystals

Blue – A blue crystal indicates a Jedi who lives to protect others. They are the most highly-trained in combat, and will often rely more on their blade than the force in combat.

Suggested careers: Guardian, Warrior

Green – A Jedi who wields a green blade typically prefers to talk out their conflicts than to fight. Furthermore, in combat they will usually favour the Force over a blade.

Suggested careers: Consular, Mystic

Yellow – These Jedi skirt the balance between a combat focus and a more diplomatic stance. A yellow blade often indicates a Jedi who will travel the galaxy protecting the weak.

Suggested careers: Seeker, Sentinel

Purple – Those who wield a purple lightsaber skirt the balance between light and dark, drawing on techniques from both sides of the divide to defeat their enemies.

Suggested careers: Seeker, Warrior

Gold – Very rare and not commonly seen, a Force user with a gold blade is almost always a supremely powerful Force user.

Suggested careers: Consular, Mystic

Silver – Those Jedi who are calm and reflective of the Living Force as a whole may select a silver blade. The colour reflects the inner peace they bear between themselves and the Force.

Suggested careers: Mystic

Bronze – Some Jedi do not just possess power via the Force; they also wield great physical strength. Such Jedi wield bronze blades that reflect their natural strength.

Suggested careers: Guardian, Warrior

Orange – This colour is most favoured by Jedi who favour negotiation. Many Jedi who travel the galaxy, finding peace in even the most violent situations, will see their personalities reflected in an orange blade.

Suggested careers: Consular, Seeker

Teal – Some Force users dedicate their lives not just to protecting others but to healing them, of curing diseases and treating wounds. Even these Jedi will carry a blade, but it is typically of a colour associated with the peace of nature.

Suggested careers: Consular, Mystic

Red – Mainly used by Sith and Dark Jedi, red crystals are synthetic and incredibly powerful. Their use is frowned upon by light-side users, and thus few will be seen.

Suggested careers: Warrior

Having tried both the questions in Kyla's document and my own random generator, my players ended up getting to choose.

The question result: 3 players yellow and 2 got white.

Random generator: Most players got blue, one got green.

The one who got green through the random generator kept that (he got yellow by answering the questions), whereas the others kept their yellow and white crystals. So basically, I feel white and yellow is slightly overrepresented in my group but at the same time I quite like that.

For the future I'd like to improve both these methods - if they find new crystals, and they eventually will, as their current Athiss crystals won't satisfy them for long, I'd have them go through the questions again, to see if they generate a new colour... I'd also like new questions, perhaps more questions for the guide, and perhaps find a way to let morality and/or conflict gained during the same sessions affect it some way (keeping it as simple as possible.)

Perhaps you could award a single extra point based on the player's morality score (1-29=red, 30-69=yellow and 70-100=blue)?

"I wouldn't let a droid or non-Force sensitive character build a lightsaber with a new, un-attuned crystal. But if they were to get their hands on one that was already attuned, i.e. had been used in another lightsaber previously, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. After all, the databank states that the crystal first takes its colour after the personality of the person attuning to it, and then keeps that colour afterwards. This leads me to believe that attunement is only required the first time the crystal is used."

This is supported in the prequil films. General Grievous, who by all accounts is not force-sensitive, takes the lightsabers of those Jedi he slays. He uses them, they stay the color they were for their previous wielder. Also Obiwan using Qui-Gon's saber after his death did not alter it's color and this was not a case of Obiwan's personality changing to "green" as each saber he made before and after was blue.

To answer the question about the non-sensitive attuning a saber I'd suggest very pale, washed out colors, perhaps ones that flicker?

And finally (I promise) about the droids assisting the younglings, I would think they were used precisely because it's impossible for them to attune a saber. This would proivide the assistance the student needs without the risk of the saber attuning to the more powerful force-using teacher.

It's relegated to Legacy status now, but there used to be ample EU evidence of lightsabers constructed by non-Force sensitive individuals.

See also: the Tapani Saber Rake

Lightfoils, wielded by saber rakes, were different from lightsabers, in that they were lightsabers that didn't need attuning. In the Legacy setting, modern lightfoils were were based on lightsaber, but did not require a Force connection to create.

Check it out: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightfoil

To my knowledge, lightsaber creation has always been the domain of Force users, notably Jedi and Sith.

Not sure if this is everyone's cup of tea, but when a PC builds a lightsaber, I take them through the process of building it and at certain points describe visions, and ask their reactions. The visions are from the linked sheet, and their answers relate to the primary colors which reflect Conflict (red), Serenity (blue) and Knowledge (yellow). When they're done navigating all the visions, then I explain to them the process of attuning the crystal is complete, and describe the color the gem turns.

Lightsaber Crystal Color Chart

So, I tried this based on how my character would react. 5 Blue, 4 Yellow. So that's Green. I'm surprised.

At the same time, my character's a Pilot and Squadron Leader that went into the Force Sensitive Emergent tree...welp.

Gonna give this chart to the two other players in my group and see what they get...

In regards to lightfoils, especially the "modern" ones used by Tapani saber rakes, they were generally deemed to be shoddy knock-offs. Kind of like how those katanas you can by at the various Oriental knick-knack shops that I swear exist in every mall across America would rate against a classically forged katana used by samurai in actual combat. Heck, the D6 versions had a very real chance of shorting out in the middle of combat, something you never saw happen with a properly-built Jedi lightsaber.

If we do get official stats for lightfoils (Mystic book, since that's the career with Makashi Duelist), especially the modern Tapani model, then I wouldn't expect them to compare favorably to a lightsaber at all.

In regards to lightfoils, especially the "modern" ones used by Tapani saber rakes, they were generally deemed to be shoddy knock-offs. Kind of like how those katanas you can by at the various Oriental knick-knack shops that I swear exist in every mall across America would rate against a classically forged katana used by samurai in actual combat. Heck, the D6 versions had a very real chance of shorting out in the middle of combat, something you never saw happen with a properly-built Jedi lightsaber.

If we do get official stats for lightfoils (Mystic book, since that's the career with Makashi Duelist), especially the modern Tapani model, then I wouldn't expect them to compare favorably to a lightsaber at all.

Perhaps they short on a despair and likely do not have breach

Not sure if this is everyone's cup of tea, but when a PC builds a lightsaber, I take them through the process of building it and at certain points describe visions, and ask their reactions. The visions are from the linked sheet, and their answers relate to the primary colors which reflect Conflict (red), Serenity (blue) and Knowledge (yellow). When they're done navigating all the visions, then I explain to them the process of attuning the crystal is complete, and describe the color the gem turns.

Lightsaber Crystal Color Chart

This was quite interesting, but I don't quite agree with your assessment on Jedi (particularly the idea to let the universe balance itself--" All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke) or my results. I was solidly yellow, but I've always thought of myself as a blue. Part of this may be though that I think of blue as being the color of the protector, rather than the color of serenity.

Though I disagree with the philosophy, I think you have the right idea going on color here.

In regards to lightfoils, especially the "modern" ones used by Tapani saber rakes, they were generally deemed to be shoddy knock-offs. Kind of like how those katanas you can by at the various Oriental knick-knack shops that I swear exist in every mall across America would rate against a classically forged katana used by samurai in actual combat. Heck, the D6 versions had a very real chance of shorting out in the middle of combat, something you never saw happen with a properly-built Jedi lightsaber.

If we do get official stats for lightfoils (Mystic book, since that's the career with Makashi Duelist), especially the modern Tapani model, then I wouldn't expect them to compare favorably to a lightsaber at all.

Perhaps they short on a despair and likely do not have breach

I'd give them Inferior, for sure. And possibly "out of ammo" on three Threat or a Despair, like a heavy blaster pistol.