No it changed the EH text to be clearer in terms of it being a free action. If you don't have the barrel roll on your action bar, you get a stress. That's the only limit.

BB-8 just lets you perform a barrel roll when you reveal a green. That's it.

Not a FAQ, that's the actual text of the card. BB-8 has no such text.

Which is a fair point; but if I remember correctly (and I very well may be wrong again ), Expert Handling was Faq'd to stop ships who didn't have an inbuilt barrel roll from gaining one?

But on the bright side, we now have the possibility of Barrel Rolling Warthogs.

Cheers

Baaa

When you reveal your dial to be a green Maneuver, you can use BB-8 to perform a barrel roll.

Then since you revealed your maneuver, you can use Stay on Target to change your maneuver to any same speed maneuver, but it counts as red.

Probably not optimal, but it is a way to roll then make a turn. In this way it works similar to using Advanced Sensors to get an action in before doing a red maneuver, just very limited.

Edit : cellphone fail

I think BB-8 is very interesting, but since its unique it is not a Fix for regular X-Wings. The ones that need help most are gemeric X-Wings and they dont get anything that we can foresee.

The T-70 is pretty good as far as i see, the only little thing is that at 24 points you cant play 4 with autothruster (which would have made them great instead of good).

But the standard T-65 STILL needs something. Maybe there will be i the new core set something we have not seen yet, but as of now, it seems that they just will let it where it is - unplayable!

Keep in mind that we are all but certainly getting a standalone T-70 blister to follow up on this one, and it will likely (well, certainly) include more astromechs, as well. Looking at how HUGE a buff BB-8 can be (dude is just insane) in the right build, it would not surprise me to see another named astromech in the standalone T-70 pack that also improves things a ton. And that gives you at least 2 X-Wings that would be super-solid, which is a pretty good foundation for a list. I'm okay with that as a 'fix'.

No, a fixwould be if we get something that every X-Wing can play as non-unique, and that is universally useful to Generic pilots as well as Named. BB-8 is a good astromech but certainly not the droid we were looking for (yes intended xd)

Also something that gives a 2 point discount and is preferably not an astromech since astromechs clog up the slot and are the only real strength X-Wings have. Look at the Advanced. THAT is a fix. Just that the X-Wing would not need a 4 point but rather a 2 point discount on some acces to a new slot. This since a pretty wide agreement was in the forum that the X-Wing is as a whole 2 points overcosted or underperforming, as you like to see it. Since i can't imagine FFG just reducing the price and enabling 5-Ship squadrons, an Advanced-like fix would probably fit best.

I still hope the real fix will be hidden somewhere in the starter set or the T-70 expansion.

It would suck if we had to buy JJ-wings in order to get a fix for the X-wing

I'm guessing that the x wing fix may be very much like the advanced fix but the x wings will get a discount on the new tech upgrade. Hopefully some better ones that the one in the new set crop up by then.

Which is a fair point; but if I remember correctly (and I very well may be wrong again ), Expert Handling was Faq'd to stop ships who didn't have an inbuilt barrel roll from gaining one?

But on the bright side, we now have the possibility of Barrel Rolling Warthogs.

Cheers

Baaa

Expert Handling was FAQ'd to perform a barrel roll action instead of a barrel roll - so that you can't double barrel roll. r4-d6 has given y-wings the barrel roll capability since the rebel transport came out Now we can have 2 barrel rolling btl-a4 y-wings.

BB-8 is a regular astromech droid. X wings will get an advanced sensor like ability to barrel roll, while still getting another action. This is the boost that regular x-wings and y-wings needed. E-wings get less mileage from it, as they already have access to adv sensors and barrel roll.

What say you? Barrel rolling x wings that can still punch, while clearing stress sounds pretty great.

I ran XWings a LOT after Wave 4 and wanted to BR them so many times in games it almost made me cry when I couldnt!!! This will be huge!

Double, sorry!

Okay, I'm loving the sound of the BB8 + PTL combo. People said it doens't help the E-Wing so much - but I'd beg to differ, seeing as you'd get the barrel roll free, AND you can pop PTL off of it, AND then clear that stress AND do your "normal" action. Add in a system upgrade like Fire Control System on Corran Horn, and, well...that's going to be a LOT of dakka with a potential of two target locks and one focus in one turn. I'd probably go as far as to stick Engine Upgrade on him instead of Shield Modification.

As of now any upgrade the T-65 can take the T-70 can also take. So an astromech upgrade will more likely benefit T-70s than T-65s.

hmm - BB-8 + Stay on target?

Is BB-8 a free barrel roll, or a free barrel roll action?

The only real use on a Y-wing is for Horton Salm - combined with an engine upgrade it makes him much more capable of clearing a twin laser turret for fire, and he doesn't need an action to hit with it effectively.

BB-8 on PTL, Good on Luke I think. Do we need EU if we have PTL on an x-wing? Is it good on Wedge? Better than Opportunist wedge with Wes?

Seeing the T-70, I think a good fix for the X-Wing would be a title like "T-65 X-Wing" that would allow the following; "X-Wing only. This ship may equip the "Weapons Guidance" Tech Upgrade at no points costs. When performing a (Right Hard Turn) or (Left Hard Turn) may take 1 stress to instead make a Tallon Roll of the appropriate direction."

This would speak to both the points cost problem of the X-Wing and the agility performance of it, giving it more versatility. Besides, in the fluff it was a Tallon Roll that allowed Wedge Antilles to save Luke at the Battle of Yavin, so it's not like it's outside of reason.

Seeing the T-70, I think a good fix for the X-Wing would be a title like "T-65 X-Wing" that would allow the following; "X-Wing only. This ship may equip the "Weapons Guidance" Tech Upgrade at no points costs.

The problem here is that any upgrade reading, "X-wing only" could be equipped on either T-65 or T-70 X-wings.

If an upgrade card said;

"..."

X-Wing only

"..."

You may not equip on a ship from The Resistance faction.

Would that solve the problem of the T-65 vs T-70 fix problem?

I think the other thing to consider is that we don't know yet if BB-8's ability is going to be treated the same as Expert Handling.

Huh? The BB-8 card doesn't say that you get stress if you use it without having the barrel-roll action. Expert Handling does.

If it is, then while you'll get 3 actions (edit: with PTL), you'll still get stress.

Because you are revealing a green maneuver with BB-8, if you trigger PTL off of that barrel-roll for an action you'll clear the stress after you complete your maneuver. The third action comes during your normal Perform Action step. You'll end the Action phase with no stress.

So because of nested actions

BB-8 triggers off of the Revel Maneuver. The PTL triggers off of the BB-8 and both finish before Execute Maneuver is complete. The last step of Execute Maneuver is clean up so... No stress.

Did I get that correct?

Try "Rebellion" or "rebel alliance" only, whichever the rulebook defines as the Rebel subfaction

That way, you'd keep it off the resistance t70

Option 2 is make it redundant with the t70 somehow

I think the other thing to consider is that we don't know yet if BB-8's ability is going to be treated the same as Expert Handling.

Huh? The BB-8 card doesn't say that you get stress if you use it without having the barrel-roll action. Expert Handling does.

If it is, then while you'll get 3 actions (edit: with PTL), you'll still get stress.

Because you are revealing a green maneuver with BB-8, if you trigger PTL off of that barrel-roll for an action you'll clear the stress after you complete your maneuver. The third action comes during your normal Perform Action step. You'll end the Action phase with no stress.

So because of nested actions

BB-8 triggers off of the Revel Maneuver. The PTL triggers off of the BB-8 and both finish before Execute Maneuver is complete. The last step of Execute Maneuver is clean up so... No stress.

Did I get that correct?

For fixes, the t70 is not amazing alone, it could use a slight buff. Of course we have only seen 1 good pilot (Poe), and he is not cheap.

Edit: I like the idea of equipping a free torpedo. Or a reduced cost modification. Or for a very slight buff, when not attacking you may reroll red dice (obstacles/damage cards).