As of right now, none of the new core is tournament legal as these are 2 new "sub-factions" that aren't covered in the tournament rules. The asteroids also don't show up on the tournament squad sheet yet either.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/4/man-your-ships/

The gray box in the middle titled "How does the Force Awakens core set fit with the rest of X-wing?" shows Resistance going with the Rebels and First Order going with the Empire. That's probably good enough for a tourny.

I think I agree with you because the squad-building section of the tournament rules say "Rebel" and "Imperial" which now include the new subfactions.

And since North American products are legal upon release, it's not like we have to wait for any green light to use them in tournaments. Right?

Not so sure about that as all the other ships officially belong to one of the 3 factions in the game. An official faq, rule book update or tourny rule update would be required just like when debris fields came out.

"The Damage deck included in this box replaces the Damage deck included in the original X-Wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

In that case they better start selling the new damage deck separately.

I may be proven wrong but I don't believe that will ever happen.

I also think people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. It's probably a byproduct of people feeling "forced" to purchase a new Core set to get the new damage deck in order to play competitively (at least at bigger events) in the future. My question is: Why wouldn't someone want to buy at least one new Core set anyway?

I'm a patient man and I'm not really too worried about it, but, it's not so much about being "forced" into buying one but my wife and I play and it would mean buying two MORE sets we don't really want just to play competitively.

I have an easy fix for you: Blend an old damage deck with a new damage deck. Each deck has 7 direct hits. There are two copies of every other damage card in each deck. Split everything evenly and your two damage decks are now equal and no one has either an advantage or disadvantage. Since its a casual setting all is well. You said you aren't going to play competitively so that is another non-issue. Lastly the backs of the cards from the new set are different than the backs of the old damage deck so you can go back and split it up again in seconds.

Now you can just purchase the one core set that you want to start with anyway and not worry about a second unless you find you really want another for the ships.

As of right now, none of the new core is tournament legal as these are 2 new "sub-factions" that aren't covered in the tournament rules. The asteroids also don't show up on the tournament squad sheet yet either.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/4/man-your-ships/

The gray box in the middle titled "How does the Force Awakens core set fit with the rest of X-wing?" shows Resistance going with the Rebels and First Order going with the Empire. That's probably good enough for a tourny.

I think I agree with you because the squad-building section of the tournament rules say "Rebel" and "Imperial" which now include the new subfactions.

And since North American products are legal upon release, it's not like we have to wait for any green light to use them in tournaments. Right?

Not so sure about that as all the other ships officially belong to one of the 3 factions in the game. An official faq, rule book update or tourny rule update would be required just like when debris fields came out.

But see, the new rules indicate that there are 3 main factions: Rebel, Imperial, and Scum.

Rebel has two subfactions: Rebel Alliance and Resistance

Imperial has two subfactions: Imperial Navy and First Order

Scum has one subfaction: Scum & Villainy.

The tournament rules state that:

" A player may choose to field a Rebel, an Imperial, or a Scum & Villainy squad."

If you look at the new rules, you see that Rebel is a faction, so you can use Rebel Alliance ships, Resistance ships, or both. Imperial is also a faction. You can use Imperial Nave, First Order, or both. Scum & Villainy is another option. This is the subfaction for Scum and is the only subfaction you can field at the moment (because it's the only one that exists).

As of right now, none of the new core is tournament legal as these are 2 new "sub-factions" that aren't covered in the tournament rules. The asteroids also don't show up on the tournament squad sheet yet either.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/4/man-your-ships/

The gray box in the middle titled "How does the Force Awakens core set fit with the rest of X-wing?" shows Resistance going with the Rebels and First Order going with the Empire. That's probably good enough for a tourny.

I think I agree with you because the squad-building section of the tournament rules say "Rebel" and "Imperial" which now include the new subfactions.

And since North American products are legal upon release, it's not like we have to wait for any green light to use them in tournaments. Right?

Not so sure about that as all the other ships officially belong to one of the 3 factions in the game. An official faq, rule book update or tourny rule update would be required just like when debris fields came out.

The rule book from the new core set puts all of the existing Rebel and Imperial ships into their own sub-factions with new names (The Rebel Alliance and The Galactic Empire). These sub-factions are grouped with The Resistance and The First Order to make up the Rebel and Imperial factions that are mentioned in the tournament rules.

The tournament rules would need to be updated to say that items from the new core set are not legal.

I Don't have the new core set, but others have posted the exact wording from the rulebook that in essence says that you can run resistance ships in rebel lists (and use applicable upgrades, like droids and crew), and the same is true for first order and empire. It does not need an FAQ, it has already officially been spelled out.

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As of right now, none of the new core is tournament legal as these are 2 new "sub-factions" that aren't covered in the tournament rules. The asteroids also don't show up on the tournament squad sheet yet either.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/9/4/man-your-ships/

The gray box in the middle titled "How does the Force Awakens core set fit with the rest of X-wing?" shows Resistance going with the Rebels and First Order going with the Empire. That's probably good enough for a tourny.

I think I agree with you because the squad-building section of the tournament rules say "Rebel" and "Imperial" which now include the new subfactions.

And since North American products are legal upon release, it's not like we have to wait for any green light to use them in tournaments. Right?

Not so sure about that as all the other ships officially belong to one of the 3 factions in the game. An official faq, rule book update or tourny rule update would be required just like when debris fields came out.

The core set clearly defines how the Resistance and New Order ships fit into the existing factions.

There is no ambiguity. Everything in the Core set is legal right now.

Ninjas! Ninjas everywhere!!!!

As of right now, none of the new core is tournament legal as these are 2 new "sub-factions" that aren't covered in the tournament rules. The asteroids also don't show up on the tournament squad sheet yet either.

The Rules state that when its released, it tourney legal.

Page 5 from the Tourney FAQ:

All X-Wing components are legal for Dogfight tournaments unless they are marked with the epic icon. Ships with the epic icon ( ) next to the card title on the Ship card can be fielded only in Epic Play. Custom “setup” templates designed to aid players in ship deployment are not allowed. However, players may use their range rulers and maneuver templates to help them set up formations during deployment.

In North America, products are legal upon their release. Competitors outside North America should check with their TO to determine which products are tournament legal. Note: Any new product released at Gen Con 2015 will not be legal for the 2015 North American Championship.

Look, while different, each damage deck has its pros and cons. However, based on the list you are flying, one deck may be better than the other. Lets take a look at 2 very different lists and see why:

LIST 1

4x B-Wing with Accuracy Corrector

With this list you would want the old damage deck. Several of the Crits have no effect on you, like Injured Pilot and Munitions Failure.

LIST 2

4x Y-Wing with Twin Laser Turret

With this list you would want the new damage deck so you don't risk losing your TLT.

Yeah, I don't think the Tournament Rules need an update to include the new subfactions. The Force Awakens Core Set has text saying that the subfactions are part of the existing factions. So from the Tournament Rules PDF's point of view, the new ships exhibit the currently existing factions' traits and thus are legal.

Here's the thing: all indications are that the new damage deck is slightly less lethal than the old one. Have the new one? Great, use it at a tournament and your ships won't be disabled as quickly. Have only the old one? Fine, use that instead for YOUR ships. I won't mind if my hits are slightly more debilitating that your shots on my ships ....

From looking at the new deck I wouldn't say that it is less lethal, it's just more balanced. In the new deck you will almost always draw a crit that affects the ships that draws it in some way. The old deck had a lot of cards that were meaningless to most ships but crippling to the ones that they did effect.

The new Blinded Pilot and Damaged System Array are more powerful than they were before.

Major Explosion and Major Hull Breach are more damaging than the Minor versions that they replace. Weapons Failure is a more comprehensive version of Weapons Malfunction.

This page has the text from all of the old and new critical cards.

I think the new set is a little easier on most lists especially due to the lack of Injured Pilot. No more losing abilities and EPT's!!!!!

My question is: Why wouldn't someone want to buy at least one new Core set anyway?

For me, it's no interest in the new X-Wings. I'll probably end up with one anyway, for the new TIEs, but it's a very low priority.

OK. Thanks guys. Is there any chance one of you could do me a quick photo of where it says this please? There's a lot of debate about this in the UK as we didn't get the new Core Sets yet...

"The Damage deck included in this box replaces the Damage deck included in the original X-Wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

In that case they better start selling the new damage deck separately.

Unnecessary. If you don't ave both you use the old one. No big deal.

For now yes, but later especially for premier events like regionals you will need the new one. The fact that the rule book says the new core set replaces the old damage deck indicates their intentions to replace the old deck completely.

Now when do they want to break the news and tell everyone that the old damage deck will no longer be valid in competitive? Who knows, but one thing for sure the change over is inevitable and if you want to continue play competitive you need to have the new damage deck.

I think they already said as much at NOVA Open.

"The Damage deck included in this box replaces the Damage deck included in the original X-Wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

In that case they better start selling the new damage deck separately.

I may be proven wrong but I don't believe that will ever happen.

I also think people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. It's probably a byproduct of people feeling "forced" to purchase a new Core set to get the new damage deck in order to play competitively (at least at bigger events) in the future. My question is: Why wouldn't someone want to buy at least one new Core set anyway?

Because it's a reasonable amount of money to spend just to get a damage deck.

Retail here in NZ is around $65-$70. That's a lot of coin to drop on something I won't get much use out of.

"The Damage deck included in this box replaces the Damage deck included in the original X-Wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

In that case they better start selling the new damage deck separately.

I may be proven wrong but I don't believe that will ever happen.

I also think people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. It's probably a byproduct of people feeling "forced" to purchase a new Core set to get the new damage deck in order to play competitively (at least at bigger events) in the future. My question is: Why wouldn't someone want to buy at least one new Core set anyway?

Because it's a reasonable amount of money to spend just to get a damage deck.

Retail here in NZ is around $65-$70. That's a lot of coin to drop on something I won't get much use out of.

If you are amongst am extremely small portion of the player base that is both A.) a competitive tournament player and B.) someone who is completely disinterested in purchasing the new core set that includes some great stuff and C.) in an area that puts on tournaments where all the other players are jerls and won't loan you an extra copy and D.) the TO is an insanely anal and unreasonable person that won't allow you to use your old damage deck given this extreme confluence of events than man I really feel for you.

For the other 99.925% of the player base this is still a non-issue.

Oh and by the way, these ships are beautiful! FFG did a tremendous job with them. You should really consider picking up a set. It's a great buy!

Not everyone's interested in the new ships, and not everyone has as big budgets to spend on this game. Having to chose between say a ship you'd like and a coreset you're not interested in just for the coreset is not a fun decision to make. I wish people on these forums weren't so dismissive of the fact that not everyone has hundreds of dollars to spend on this game.

And x-wing tends to be more expensive out of the US too, for the 14,95 dollar packs I paid 19 something euros this week, that's more than 20 dollars.

I would think that for the World Championship this year it would be mandatory to use the OLD deck. Because when you registered for it, a new damage deck was not officially announced.

There will be people who would rage against the decision, that after you registered for an event, you would need to buy a new core set.

Of course, maybe every participant gets a new damage deck for free.

Not everyone's interested in the new ships, and not everyone has as big budgets to spend on this game. Having to chose between say a ship you'd like and a coreset you're not interested in just for the coreset is not a fun decision to make. I wish people on these forums weren't so dismissive of the fact that not everyone has hundreds of dollars to spend on this game.

And x-wing tends to be more expensive out of the US too, for the 14,95 dollar packs I paid 19 something euros this week, that's more than 20 dollars.

sure but for most of us, the all round cost of attending a tournament for the day is around the same price as a core set - so worse case scenario you play in one less tournament this year

Not everyone's interested in the new ships, and not everyone has as big budgets to spend on this game. Having to chose between say a ship you'd like and a coreset you're not interested in just for the coreset is not a fun decision to make. I wish people on these forums weren't so dismissive of the fact that not everyone has hundreds of dollars to spend on this game.

And x-wing tends to be more expensive out of the US too, for the 14,95 dollar packs I paid 19 something euros this week, that's more than 20 dollars.

If it's a problem don't buy it. Borrow one when you go to a tournament that requires you to use it. It's probably extremely unlikely that you have a tournament coming up any time soon where the TO is going to be adamant that you use it.

These complaints are nearly basis and more than likely coming from people that complain about everything regardless of reality.

There are easy solutions to most of these "problems" real or imagined.

Sorry if people think I'm being a jerk about it but all I see are complaints after complaints that probably hold no water when looked at from a realistic standpoint.

See my above post. This community is friendly by and large. I lend stuff out constantly to new players or if someone forget something. That's reality, not these make believe scenarios where you have a major tournament next week with a tyrannical TO and nobody that can lend you something. Heck if that's the kind of environment your in why are you paying $10-$15 to enter THAT tournament anyway?

"The Damage deck included in this box replaces the Damage deck included in the original X-Wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

Why is this even a topic? The highlighted phrase seems to settle this.

The new deck is mostly the same. A few pairs were replaced, but I think an FAQ/errata could solve the problem of old damage decks being different. For a competitive setting, just make the TO responsible for making people aware and informed or if the new deck rules will be enforced.

Appearance-wise, they are distinct enough to tell them apart just from the facedown side.

If they require new deck for tournaments, I do think it should be available for separate purchase, even though the majority of tournament players would probably be buying the new core set anyway. I just think it then allows someone to get into the game piecemeal if they choose -- for example if you just want to fly Scum.

OTOH: maybe they should allow either damage deck, as long as they're not mixed. You must use the new deck if you have the TFA ships in your list, otherwise it's optional. The old deck is harder on some lists so I think this rule would cause people to move toward the new deck generally without forcing it.

"The Damage deck included in this box replaces the Damage deck included in the original X-Wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

In that case they better start selling the new damage deck separately.

I may be proven wrong but I don't believe that will ever happen.

I also think people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. It's probably a byproduct of people feeling "forced" to purchase a new Core set to get the new damage deck in order to play competitively (at least at bigger events) in the future. My question is: Why wouldn't someone want to buy at least one new Core set anyway?

Because it's a reasonable amount of money to spend just to get a damage deck.

Retail here in NZ is around $65-$70. That's a lot of coin to drop on something I won't get much use out of.

If you are amongst am extremely small portion of the player base that is both A.) a competitive tournament player and B.) someone who is completely disinterested in purchasing the new core set that includes some great stuff and C.) in an area that puts on tournaments where all the other players are jerls and won't loan you an extra copy and D.) the TO is an insanely anal and unreasonable person that won't allow you to use your old damage deck given this extreme confluence of events than man I really feel for you.

For the other 99.925% of the player base this is still a non-issue.

Oh and by the way, these ships are beautiful! FFG did a tremendous job with them. You should really consider picking up a set. It's a great buy!

Im sure FFG did a great job as usual and I will eventually pick up a set once they come out here

My point still stands, that's a lot of coin.

And yes we here in New Zealand do have a problem with D. Extra anal TO. He only cares for his regional area and so messes with our more populated regional by not advertising, interrupting play so he can count damage decks, threatening to disqualify a player for.removing his ship from it's base due to a close quarter fur-ball , running two days of tourney time over just one day to up.the chance of.people having to leave early so he can keep the alt art cards...

Ok so I ranted

Bottom line here for me is i would rather spend that money on more wave VII and a Raider than pay full price for another starter set.

And id happily bet Im not alone.

Not everyone's interested in the new ships, and not everyone has as big budgets to spend on this game. Having to chose between say a ship you'd like and a coreset you're not interested in just for the coreset is not a fun decision to make. I wish people on these forums weren't so dismissive of the fact that not everyone has hundreds of dollars to spend on this game.

And x-wing tends to be more expensive out of the US too, for the 14,95 dollar packs I paid 19 something euros this week, that's more than 20 dollars.

If it's a problem don't buy it. Borrow one when you go to a tournament that requires you to use it. It's probably extremely unlikely that you have a tournament coming up any time soon where the TO is going to be adamant that you use it.

These complaints are nearly basis and more than likely coming from people that complain about everything regardless of reality.

There are easy solutions to most of these "problems" real or imagined.

Sorry if people think I'm being a jerk about it but all I see are complaints after complaints that probably hold no water when looked at from a realistic standpoint.

See my above post. This community is friendly by and large. I lend stuff out constantly to new players or if someone forget something. That's reality, not these make believe scenarios where you have a major tournament next week with a tyrannical TO and nobody that can lend you something. Heck if that's the kind of environment your in why are you paying $10-$15 to enter THAT tournament anyway?

Look you might have a reasonable point had this new set come out between waves but it didn't, wave VII just came out as did the Raider and x-mass is well on it's way also. So bad timing for that argument