I prefer Imperial and scum because of my nature (Anti Hero, tragic/misunderstood/anti villain over plain good guy any day).

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They need to fix the t-65 in a way that makes it unique and different from other ships as well make it point effective. The x wing should be the most dangerous jouster in the game(my opinion). It should have a defensive ability while jousting(reverse auto thruster type ability while in arc?)

Scenerio 3: release a T-70 that's not quite as good as a T-65 and include a title that fixes both ships at the same time.

In fact: I can't believe FFG doesn't _know_ the T-70 isn't good enough. And given the ruling on titles and modifications, there's basically no way* to create a card that effects _only_ the T-65, so my suspicion is that they deliberately underpowered the T-70 so they could buff them both at the same time- without making the T-70 OP.

I hope.

*I guess they could word it like: X-Wing only. May not have the [tech icon] on the upgrade bar. But that's kinda wordy.

Scenerio 3: release a T-70 that's not quite as good as a T-65 and include a title that fixes both ships at the same time.

In fact: I can't believe FFG doesn't _know_ the T-70 isn't good enough. And given the ruling on titles and modifications, there's basically no way* to create a card that effects _only_ the T-65, so my suspicion is that they deliberately underpowered the T-70 so they could buff them both at the same time- without making the T-70 OP.

I hope.

*I guess they could word it like: X-Wing only. May not have the [tech icon] on the upgrade bar. But that's kinda wordy.

You can. Just like they made a title for Interceptors and A-wings that can't go on all of them.

Scenerio 3: release a T-70 that's not quite as good as a T-65 and include a title that fixes both ships at the same time.

In fact: I can't believe FFG doesn't _know_ the T-70 isn't good enough. And given the ruling on titles and modifications, there's basically no way* to create a card that effects _only_ the T-65, so my suspicion is that they deliberately underpowered the T-70 so they could buff them both at the same time- without making the T-70 OP.

I hope.

*I guess they could word it like: X-Wing only. May not have the [tech icon] on the upgrade bar. But that's kinda wordy.

I'm really happy with this Core set because it is worth owning (lots of great stuff here) but I don't feel like one HAS to buy it. I've got a feeling that the expansion sets of the new TIE and X-wing will have many of the same cards but will also include that X-wing fix we've been looking for.

I'm really happy with this Core set because it is worth owning (lots of great stuff here) but I don't feel like one HAS to buy it. I've got a feeling that the expansion sets of the new TIE and X-wing will have many of the same cards but will also include that X-wing fix we've been looking for.

Except for the damage decks...

I'm really happy with this Core set because it is worth owning (lots of great stuff here) but I don't feel like one HAS to buy it. I've got a feeling that the expansion sets of the new TIE and X-wing will have many of the same cards but will also include that X-wing fix we've been looking for.

Except for the damage decks...

Dude that's my trigger.

I'm really happy with this Core set because it is worth owning (lots of great stuff here) but I don't feel like one HAS to buy it. I've got a feeling that the expansion sets of the new TIE and X-wing will have many of the same cards but will also include that X-wing fix we've been looking for.

Except for the damage decks...

No ruling has been made on the damage deck as of yet. Currently, it isn't even legal for tournament play.

Sorry to Ninja you Hobo...

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm, so unless they are sold separately or otherwise provided then (per player operating) a new core set purchase will be required - and as most of us already have more than enough x-wings and TIE Fighters, it stands to reason we'll get the new core.

Wedge + EU + PTL + BB-8

In fact: I can't believe FFG doesn't _know_ the T-70 isn't good enough.

You know this how, exactly? The new core set has been out for twelve hours now, which means for the moment (and likely for a least a little while longer) the developers at FFG and the playtesters have a monopoly on tabletop experience with the new ships.

I admit I'm not entirely sanguine about the T-70's efficiency, especially the Blue Squadron Novice (the cheapest generic pilot). But someone upthread compared it to a B-wing, and the major differences between the two are the upgrade bars (call that neutral), the substitution of the T-70's boost for the B-wing's barrel roll, and the T-70's dial (which is much better than the B-wing's, except for the lack of 1-turn).

If someone flying a T-70 can control its distance, it's going to be a powerful ship. I'm not sure the dial will make up for the 2 points worth of difference between the T-70 and the B-wing, and last time they tried that we ended up with an overpriced Defender. But it's a really good dial.

So we'll have to see, but your conclusion is at least premature.

I think a combination of old and new will offer some truly incredible squadrons.

I'll say it a bit differently:

The numbers have been run, and the T-70 is slightly less efficient as a pure jouster than the T-65. Assuming the new tricks don't add up to a whole new role for the X-Wing, it's overcosted.

So that's how I "know". You're 100% correct that- on the tabletop the T-70 may simply perform radically differently than the T-65. It may be an arc dodging beast. But I'm not convinced it will be.

Came here for STAR WARS X-WING.

GOT IT TOO!

DAT GLORY (old and new, and all true blue)!

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm

Please, enlighten us how you have come across this certain knowledge.

Or did you mean, you believe or guess that this new damage deck will become the norm?

I'll say it a bit differently:

The numbers have been run, and the T-70 is slightly less efficient as a pure jouster than the T-65. Assuming the new tricks don't add up to a whole new role for the X-Wing, it's overcosted.

So that's how I "know". You're 100% correct that- on the tabletop the T-70 may simply perform radically differently than the T-65. It may be an arc dodging beast. But I'm not convinced it will be.

to respond to "Arc-dodging beast"

with boost: no

with BB-8 + PTL: holy **** me christ Soontir wishes he could pull off these shenanegans

with T-roll: seems pretty made for dodging arcs

at the very very least, we got tank Poe (r2d2/r5p9 + thrusters = mini-Corran) and arc-dodging Poe (bb-8)

Let me just say: I love the T-65. I think it's the coolest looking ship ever (and by extension, the coolest ship ever). It's why I got into X-Wing.

I'm gonna guess that this means they're gonna spoil some awesome T-65 fix that's gonna snap it back into competitive play

I think it will either it will be released with the new core set, or some new expansion pack with the T-65 fix

Regardless, I am SUPER excited for it.

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm

Please, enlighten us how you have come across this certain knowledge.

Or did you mean, you believe or guess that this new damage deck will become the norm?

It has been quoted and screenshotted in these forums, from the new core rulebook that "if you have the original x-wing damage deck, the new one should be used" (paraphrased). It's not that huge a jump to realize that you shouldn't have to choose between two decks, and a single deck is ultimately required. Therefore logically it stands to reason that the new core set's deck will be the one used for tournaments/official events.

I understand that this isn't absolutely certain/confirmed. But it's logically inferred upon with given information.

Came here for STAR WARS X-WING.

GOT IT TOO!

DAT GLORY (old and new, and all true blue)!

Except, you know, the black, white and red ones.

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm

Please, enlighten us how you have come across this certain knowledge.

Or did you mean, you believe or guess that this new damage deck will become the norm?

New core says to use the new one if you have both, and the article says there's an imminent article on how the new core affects Organized Play. I'll grant that's not proof, but it's a fairly compelling case.

Honestly, I think we need time to adjust to the Tallon Roll. That is a pretty fun maneuver.

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm

Please, enlighten us how you have come across this certain knowledge.

Or did you mean, you believe or guess that this new damage deck will become the norm?

It has been quoted and screenshotted in these forums, from the new core rulebook that "if you have the original x-wing damage deck, the new one should be used" (paraphrased).

I understand that this isn't absolutely certain/confirmed. But it's logically inferred upon with given information.

You will find this on Page 9 of the Rules Reference book. What does this have to do with Tournament rules? (which is a separate set or rules)

Mind you, here's the catch. The current language on page 9, should it transfer to the Tournament level of play, only states that if you HAVE the new damage deck that you should use it and NOT that it is the new standard. With this language the player could bring either deck and not be in possession of the other.

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm

Please, enlighten us how you have come across this certain knowledge.

Or did you mean, you believe or guess that this new damage deck will become the norm?

It has been quoted and screenshotted in these forums, from the new core rulebook that "if you have the original x-wing damage deck, the new one should be used" (paraphrased).

I understand that this isn't absolutely certain/confirmed. But it's logically inferred upon with given information.

You will find this on Page 9 of the Rules Reference book. What does this have to do with Tournament rules? (which is a separate set or rules)

Mind you, here's the catch. The current language on page 9, should it transfer to the Tournament level of play, only states that if you HAVE the new damage deck that you should use it and NOT that it is the new standard. With this language the player could bring either deck and not be in possession of the other.

That brings us to the logical inferral that in a fair game, both players should be using the same kind of deck. I'll grant that tournament rules are different, but then that means they'll be using MK 1 damage decks until.... ever? That doesn't make sense.

Eventually new decks have to be the norm - and therefore only.

Not yet but eventually the new damage deck is going to be the norm

Please, enlighten us how you have come across this certain knowledge.

Or did you mean, you believe or guess that this new damage deck will become the norm?

It has been quoted and screenshotted in these forums, from the new core rulebook that "if you have the original x-wing damage deck, the new one should be used" (paraphrased).

I understand that this isn't absolutely certain/confirmed. But it's logically inferred upon with given information.

You will find this on Page 9 of the Rules Reference book. What does this have to do with Tournament rules? (which is a separate set or rules)

Mind you, here's the catch. The current language on page 9, should it transfer to the Tournament level of play, only states that if you HAVE the new damage deck that you should use it and NOT that it is the new standard. With this language the player could bring either deck and not be in possession of the other.

That brings us to the logical inferral that in a fair game, both players should be using the same kind of deck. I'll grant that tournament rules are different, but then that means they'll be using MK 1 damage decks until.... ever? That doesn't make sense.

Eventually new decks have to be the norm - and therefore only.

Yeah say i decided to go o a tournament and i dont own the new deck i'm automatically better off against anyone who does, that does not sit well with me.

I'll say it a bit differently:

The numbers have been run, and the T-70 is slightly less efficient as a pure jouster than the T-65. Assuming the new tricks don't add up to a whole new role for the X-Wing, it's overcosted.

So that's how I "know". You're 100% correct that- on the tabletop the T-70 may simply perform radically differently than the T-65. It may be an arc dodging beast. But I'm not convinced it will be.

I'm afraid it's a point too expensive, but I hope it's right on the money. I suspect we don't actually disagree very much.

Well on the bright side, atleast we don't have to do with those fools who complain all day about the E & K being out of the timeline.

But it isn't powercreep because X: The T-70 is balanced to most ships, T-65 was never balanced to begin with. TIE: LNs and FOs are in 2 totally different roles.