Dear Ladies and Gents

If you could help me clarify the synergy (if any) between the two.

Does the interaction go:

Jendon acquires TL in action phase, than at the begging of Combat phase transfers it to Redline, who subsequently gets 2nd free target lock?

OR

Jendon acquires TL in action phase, than at the begging of Combat phase transfers it to Redline, who DOES NOT get the 2nd TL, because the free TL from Jendon does not fulfill the wording requirement
"You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may ACQUIRE a second lock on that ship"

Meaning Redline if left with ONE TL

I suspect it's the 2nd scenario but would be grateful for clarification.

Cheers

As I recall, Jendon's ability is worded that he "passes the blue target lock token". The recipient does not "aquire a target lock in this case, just the blue token. so redline's ability would not trigger.

jendon is, I believe, the only ability in the game that works like that.

What Forgottenlore said.

Sounds right to me - Jendon assigns a token, he does not allow his wingman to aquire a TL

*** So many ninjas ***

On a related note. Redline with 2 target locks. Can he re-roll his attack die twice? Played this way and can't find anything to say you can't but it just felt like cheating. Plus with howl runner just behind him.......

On a related note. Redline with 2 target locks. Can he re-roll his attack die twice? Played this way and can't find anything to say you can't but it just felt like cheating. Plus with howl runner just behind him.......

The rules only permit you reroll an individual die once per attack.

On a related note. Redline with 2 target locks. Can he re-roll his attack die twice? Played this way and can't find anything to say you can't but it just felt like cheating. Plus with howl runner just behind him.......

Well, it's in the rulebooks if you look carefully. Page 12 of the old rulebook at the bottom of the blue sidebar:

"Important: When a die is changed or rerolled, ignore its original result and apply only the new result. This new result may be modified by other effects; however, a die that has already been rerolled cannot be rerolled again during this attack."

And page 13 of the new rulebook under modifying dice:

"Dice can be modified by multiple effects, but a die cannot be rerolled more than once."

Ahh. Got it Thanks

Thx for feedback. On a less related note.

I decided to fly Deathrain and Redline vs Han and Wedge.I have to admit, Deathrain is lot's of fun with Adv Sensors+Experimental Interface.

On the other hand I am rather disappointed with Cluster mines. Out of 3 dropped on Han( each time 2 templates hit) only 2 dmg. Dealing dmg only on normal hits sux.

Run Redline with FCS - Jendon acquires lock, passes to Redline. Redline spends lock to fire missiles, acquires double lock for free after the attack.

actually i was looking at this from another perspective. refencing original question. as the faq states there are multiple ways to aquire a target lock; as well as multiple situations of such grey areas which have been cleared up in the faq. However, that being said I believe that is why Jendon reads that he passes the blue token only and as he is not actually interacting with the red token no aquisition is directly made. Therefore he would only have 1 target lock. Jendon with weapons engineer and the title card which allows him to target lock anywhere does however allow you to feed target locks to redline and plan out your stratagey of movement and or carnage.

No one is saying Jendon can't pass a lock on to Redline. Jendon isn't giving Redline the ability to make his own target lock, just the blue token. No chance to trigger Redline's ability to gain a second lock.

Jendon doesn't combo with Redline or Weapons Engineer.

Jendon doesn't combo with Redline or Weapons Engineer.

That depends on your definition of combo, putting Weapons Engineer on Jendon lets him keep a lock for himself.

As I recall, Jendon's ability is worded that he "passes the blue target lock token". The recipient does not "aquire a target lock in this case, just the blue token. so redline's ability would not trigger.

jendon is, I believe, the only ability in the game that works like that.

There are other pilots who give tokens rather than allowing other ships to perform actions:

Kyle Katarn (HWK) "assigns" a focus token to another friendly ship range 1-3

Garven Dreis (Xwing) may "place" his focus token on any other friendly ship instead of discarding it.

There may be some more, but these 2 immediately came to mind.

As I recall, Jendon's ability is worded that he "passes the blue target lock token". The recipient does not "aquire a target lock in this case, just the blue token. so redline's ability would not trigger.

jendon is, I believe, the only ability in the game that works like that.

There are other pilots who give tokens rather than allowing other ships to perform actions:

Kyle Katarn (HWK) "assigns" a focus token to another friendly ship range 1-3

Garven Dreis (Xwing) may "place" his focus token on any other friendly ship instead of discarding it.

There may be some more, but these 2 immediately came to mind.

I think he was specifically referring to Target Locks, in which case he is correct - Jendon is unique.

As I recall, Jendon's ability is worded that he "passes the blue target lock token". The recipient does not "aquire a target lock in this case, just the blue token. so redline's ability would not trigger.

jendon is, I believe, the only ability in the game that works like that.

There are other pilots who give tokens rather than allowing other ships to perform actions:

Kyle Katarn (HWK) "assigns" a focus token to another friendly ship range 1-3

Garven Dreis (Xwing) may "place" his focus token on any other friendly ship instead of discarding it.

There may be some more, but these 2 immediately came to mind.

I think he was specifically referring to Target Locks, in which case he is correct - Jendon is unique.

Where does this ruling come from? It's not in the FAQ and from the receiving ship's perspective they are acquiring a Target Lock; they are just acquiring it from Jendon. This is going to become very important when Wave 8 hits. The only situation that I can think of that this currently matter is if Jendon is passing a Target Lock to a ship with a Weapon Engineer.

Jendon is only 'assigning' a blue TL token. There's no mention in his ability of him allowing another ship to "acquire a target lock", and because of that, even if the other ship has a Weapons Engineer, it's not going to trigger.

Jendon is only 'assigning' a blue TL token. There's no mention in his ability of him allowing another ship to "acquire a target lock", and because of that, even if the other ship has a Weapons Engineer, it's not going to trigger.

Then that's just another reason not to take Jendon. There are just too many things that make named Shuttle Pilots' abilities difficult to use. Jendon is hampered by his crappy range and when wave 8 comes by his ability not being able to trigger the v1 title. There are a lot of loopholes in Kagi's ability (though the recent rules change closed the worse of those).

I feel the reason Jendon is differnt is that with the title he can pass a lock onto a ship that is out of range. If the target is beyond range 3 the reciver would not be allowed to target lock. Jendon's ability with the title avoids the problem by simply passing his blue lock.

As I recall, Jendon's ability is worded that he "passes the blue target lock token". The recipient does not "aquire a target lock in this case, just the blue token. so redline's ability would not trigger.

jendon is, I believe, the only ability in the game that works like that.

This may not be the case. Page 3 of the rules says that a ship without the target lock (icon) "can acquire and maintain a taget lock"... True, Redline is being 'passed' the blue half of the tl set she still is acquiring a target lock. Per the card, "When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on the same ship". I think Redline could get the second tl if she was within range 3 of the ship that Jendon tl'd but not if she was beyond range 3. Jendon could pass her a second tl on the same ship the following turn.

So far my win/loss ratio for rules interps is 0.00 so I'm probably wrong.

As I recall, Jendon's ability is worded that he "passes the blue target lock token". The recipient does not "aquire a target lock in this case, just the blue token. so redline's ability would not trigger.

jendon is, I believe, the only ability in the game that works like that.

This may not be the case. Page 3 of the rules says that a ship without the target lock (icon) "can acquire and maintain a taget lock"... True, Redline is being 'passed' the blue half of the tl set she still is acquiring a target lock. Per the card, "When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on the same ship". I think Redline could get the second tl if she was within range 3 of the ship that Jendon tl'd but not if she was beyond range 3. Jendon could pass her a second tl on the same ship the following turn.

So far my win/loss ratio for rules interps is 0.00 so I'm probably wrong.

Well, let's just keep your ratio consistent then, shall we?

"Acquire a Target Lock" is a key phrase in the game that is a carefully defined process. To perform an Acquire a Target Lock action, you measure range, and place a red token on the enemy ship and a blue token on your ship. To just Acquire a Target Lock, you do the same, but it's not classed as an action. There's no difference in the process and you can do this without having the TL icon in your action bar, if it's granted by an effect.

But... was the range measured from Redline's ship when the TL was acquired? No, it was from Jendon's.

And... did Redline place a red token on the target of the TL? No, that was Jendon again.

Therefore, Redline didn't actually "acquire a target lock" under the definition in the rules, just the blue token of it. And as such, Redline's ability won't trigger.

"Acquire a Target Lock" is a key phrase in the game that is a carefully defined process. To perform an Acquire a Target Lock action, you measure range, and place a red token on the enemy ship and a blue token on your ship. To just Acquire a Target Lock, you do the same, but it's not classed as an action. There's no difference in the process and you can do this without having the TL icon in your action bar, if it's granted by an effect.

But... was the range measured from Redline's ship when the TL was acquired? No, it was from Jendon's.

And... did Redline place a red token on the target of the TL? No, that was Jendon again.

Is there anything that says that you can only acquire a target lock on as ship within range 1-3?

The rules reference says

"Ships with the [TARGET LOCK] icon in their action bar may perform the acquire a target lock action to acquire a target lock on an enemy ship at Range 1–3. "

it also says

The rules as written can accommodate Jendon's ability if it counts as the receiving ship acquiring the target lock. If it doesn't then there are large holes in the rules created by his ability.

There are only three ways for a ship to end up with a target lock.

1. Perform the Acquire a Target Lock action
2. Acquire a Target Lock
3. Have a blue Target Lock token assigned to it by an effect.

The first two use exactly the same process, with the only difference being the first one is classed as an action. Range is still measured.

Page 11 - Learn to Play: "To acquire a target lock, the player chooses an enemy ship at Range 1–3."

You ask: "Does this make a ship with an existing target lock ineligible to receive Jendon's target lock since it may only maintain a single target lock?"

The rules don't make the receiving ship ineligible, but Jendon's ability does.

At the start of the Combat phase, you may assign 1 of your blue target lock tokens to a friendly ship at Range 1 if it does not have a blue target lock token.

I think the rules accommodate Jendon's ability just fine. A ship can only maintain one target lock, and Jendon can't assign a blue token to ship that has one already. And as his ability is NOT passing the other friendly ship the ability to acquire a target lock, he's just assigning the blue token. So where are these large holes? Because I'm not seeing any.

The original question for this topic was Does Jendon's ability allow Redline to trigger and gain a second target lock? The answer is no it doesn't, because Jendon's text doesn't tell Redline to acquire a target lock, and Redline gets the second target lock when acquiring a target lock.

I hate when I forget to read the card.