... if you had already placed a cluster mine that has not been triggered then you would be unable to drop a second one since you don't have the templates. You would need to buy another expansion for the second set.

Luckily enough, each side cluster mine is the same size as a dial. Proxy it.

I hadn't even considered that. I have plenty of those.

well then i think its my turn. i don´t know whether anyone tried this with deathrain but at vassal this 3 bank movement after deploying a bomb with deathrain seems to work http://imgur.com/O63kOIH

however i just tried it for real and, beside the fact that the guides in the mine token are a little wider than the 1-straight template and you can move them slightly left and right, in practice this manouver seems not to work at all. its just barely overlapping it but they overlap.

anyone else tried this?

I got curious so I just tried it.

Because the guides in the mine are loose, I was able to shift it all the way to the right, and fit a left forward barrel roll plus right 3 bank in. At the same time fitting a 2-straight off the right barrel roll. A 2-straight fits with a direct or forward barrel roll. If you roll backward more than a hair a 2-straight won't fit.

You guys are using advanced sensors to pull this off, right? So you can drop the mines before you move.

You guys are using advanced sensors to pull this off, right? So you can drop the mines before you move.

Either advanced sensors or next dial phase. The question was whether or not it fits.

I always considered Cluster Mines to be more of a large ship counter since they're more likely to hit all three bomb templates as shown in the preview article.

I got curious so I just tried it.

Because the guides in the mine are loose, I was able to shift it all the way to the right, and fit a left forward barrel roll plus right 3 bank in. At the same time fitting a 2-straight off the right barrel roll. A 2-straight fits with a direct or forward barrel roll. If you roll backward more than a hair a 2-straight won't fit.

thank you but your 3 right bank looks very close so it might be a judge call actually because i didn´t get to fit the bank template in without moving the mine token.

I always considered Cluster Mines to be more of a large ship counter since they're more likely to hit all three bomb templates as shown in the preview article.

Not nessessarily. It just happend to me lately as i flew Deathrain with enhanced scopes to activate before an opposite awing. I banked left at PS0 dropped the cluster mine and the banked right and he hit the line of all three tokens so it is possible but i think we are alle still learning how to treat Deathrain right

I got curious so I just tried it.

Because the guides in the mine are loose, I was able to shift it all the way to the right, and fit a left forward barrel roll plus right 3 bank in. At the same time fitting a 2-straight off the right barrel roll. A 2-straight fits with a direct or forward barrel roll. If you roll backward more than a hair a 2-straight won't fit.

thank you but your 3 right bank looks very close so it might be a judge call actually because i didn´t get to fit the bank template in without moving the mine token.

It is very close. You can see the small gap at the right side of the bomb token guides. If the movement template was centered between the bomb token guides the 3-bank wouldn't clear the mine.

[the rulebook you'll notice that placing the template down is in step 2 of the activation phase while executing the maneuver is in step 3.

Yes, but because of the possibility of ship overlaps you have to complete the maneuver before you know if the template conts as overlapping. According to the FAQ, if a ship overlaps another ship and is moved back, the part of the template that it moves back over does not count for overlapping of things. That shows that you have to complete a maneuver before determine whether an overlap has occurred.

Each mine that is overlapped will trigger. The real question is if you drop the mine on multiple ships, can you trigger and resolve one template before you choose which ship the second hits, or you you have to allocate all 3 detonations before rolling damage with any of them?

Hadn't thought of that, that is an intriguing question. I forget how that works exactly. For instance, deathrain plops his cluster mines right on top of 2 bwings. One of the tokens is overlapped by both bwings. Does the token detonate as soon as one of the 2 bwings moves or does it detonate right away as soon as deathrain drops it? If it is right away then my guess is you choose who suffers the damage. If it's as soon as one of them moves then my guess is it's the first bwing that moves suffers the damage.

Definitely deserves clarifying though from ffg.

From the FAQ:

Note that a Proximity Mine token that is dropped on a ship is placed under the ship’s base and does immediately detonate.

Has this been verified? I thought I read somewhere else that if it is dropped on a ship it detonates immediately.. If what you said is true.. I owe someone a rematch. =(

From the FAQ:

Note that a Proximity Mine token that is dropped on a ship is placed under the ship’s base and does immediately detonate.

Has this been verified? I thought I read somewhere else that if it is dropped on a ship it detonates immediately.. If what you said is true.. I owe someone a rematch. =(

Cluster Mines would be much more tempting if any "crits" were flipped to "hits" and actually did something.

My experience with them so far has been a tad underwhelming. Hit a Firespray once with all three, and dealt one damage.

One.

Could've been three if crits counted...