I showed my wife the Punisher and commented that it appeared to me as a lazy design.

She said that on the other hand it made since that during war using both components and designs that already existed and were proven isn't a bad idea. This made sense to her and appeared to fit the role as a heavy bomber if they needed something and didn't want to go through the normal development and testing phases.

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I was actually ambivalent towards their design initially, but really like them now that I've seen them. I never saw anything too awkward about their design or base size. Feels mechanically right somehow. Just my opinion.

I showed my wife the Punisher and commented that it appeared to be as a lazy design.

She said that on the other hand it made since that during war using both components and designs that already existed and were proven isn't a bad idea. This made sense to her and appeared to fit the role as a heavy bomber if they needed something and didn't want to go through the normal development and testing phases.

This is what I have been saying ever since it has been revealed. I actually like it a lot for that reason and just how much it screams brutality in the blunt way that suits bombs so well.

As for the K-Wing being gigantic - well the scale dictates. I have my three K-Wings on 1, 2 and 3 pegs, that way my own ships don't get in the way of each other. Haven't actually played them, though, so I imagine my opponents ships may become problematic. I hope to get in a few games this weekend with all my new toys, I will see. I guess it won't be worse than Decimators and Falcons.

I do sort of hope someone makes a small base version of the stands for epic ships

It still makes no sense to me that people think the K-Wing is "ugly" but not the X/Y/B-wings.

"Functional" is the word I would use, and if you don't think function implies beauty then I have no reason to give your opinions any thought.

The K-Wing and Punisher barely even fit on a large base, let alone a small base. The only reason I can think of as to why they are on small bases is that FFG really wanted to give them slam and boost which would be a little crazy on a large base.

The K-Wing and Punisher barely even fit on a large base, let alone a small base. The only reason I can think of as to why they are on small bases is that FFG really wanted to give them slam and boost which would be a little crazy on a large base.

Oddly enough this kind of makes sense.

Especially since the aggressor isn't that much bigger to be a large ship.

The K-Wing and Punisher barely even fit on a large base, let alone a small base. The only reason I can think of as to why they are on small bases is that FFG really wanted to give them slam and boost which would be a little crazy on a large base.

They're also much closer to small base than large base sized.

I have a MM order coming in tomorrow. Does the switch to SmartPost mean that the package is delivered to door by USPS? Because I really hope I don't have to make a trip all the way across town to the Post Office to pick up my stuff :/

It still makes no sense to me that people think the K-Wing is "ugly" but not the X/Y/B-wings.

"Functional" is the word I would use, and if you don't think function implies beauty then I have no reason to give your opinions any thought.

There's the split cockpits, the unbelly turret, (I'm sure shooting down is great in a three dimensional battlespace!) it's ok from behind the cockpit. But that dumb cockpit makes it ugly as sin.

It still makes no sense to me that people think the K-Wing is "ugly" but not the X/Y/B-wings.

"Functional" is the word I would use, and if you don't think function implies beauty then I have no reason to give your opinions any thought.

Functional isn't necessarily the word I'd use for the K-Wing. All of this has been mentioned before, split cockpit, odd place for a turret, off center engine, etc.

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It still makes no sense to me that people think the K-Wing is "ugly" but not the X/Y/B-wings.

"Functional" is the word I would use, and if you don't think function implies beauty then I have no reason to give your opinions any thought.

There's the split cockpits, the unbelly turret, (I'm sure shooting down is great in a three dimensional battlespace!) it's ok from behind the cockpit. But that dumb cockpit makes it ugly as sin.

Split cockpits aren't /that/ odd. Especially if the flight controls are duplicated, it makes a single hit less likely to cripple the entire ship.

The turret setup actually gives nearly spherical coverage, limited equatorial blindspots around 4-8 o'clock but it's a lot better in 3D space than a single dorsal turret could manage.

It still makes no sense to me that people think the K-Wing is "ugly" but not the X/Y/B-wings.

"Functional" is the word I would use, and if you don't think function implies beauty then I have no reason to give your opinions any thought.

There's the split cockpits, the unbelly turret, (I'm sure shooting down is great in a three dimensional battlespace!) it's ok from behind the cockpit. But that dumb cockpit makes it ugly as sin.

Split cockpits aren't /that/ odd. Especially if the flight controls are duplicated, it makes a single hit less likely to cripple the entire ship.

The turret setup actually gives nearly spherical coverage, limited equatorial blindspots around 4-8 o'clock but it's a lot better in 3D space than a single dorsal turret could manage.

They are that odd, as now you've put a physical barrier between pilot and co pilot AND have each of them obstructing the other's vision.

The chin turret is the primary, and it can't shoot up.

The K-Wing next to the Aggressor still makes me wonder why the K-Wing was either on a large base, or the Aggressor wasn't on a small base.

Large base ships get a discount so a small base aggressor would be quite a bit more expensive perhaps to the point you can't fit two into a list.

I also hated the K Wing model (and the ripped-out-of-Starlancer Kirahxzistan) when they were first shown, but think the K Wing might just be my favorite model of Wave 7. Could easily envision a blurred opening shot of its center engine roaring only to slow zoom out over the entire glorious ordnance-laden superwing as it hammers through the atmosphere, an Imperial base with a smoldering crater deficiency twinkling on the horizon. Cockpit design still makes me wince though, maybe when I get around to converting X Wing stuff I'll try my hand at changing it.

Khiraxz is also surprisingly nice looking, and will look even nicer with a non-Hutt paint scheme.

It still makes no sense to me that people think the K-Wing is "ugly" but not the X/Y/B-wings.

"Functional" is the word I would use, and if you don't think function implies beauty then I have no reason to give your opinions any thought.

There's the split cockpits, the unbelly turret, (I'm sure shooting down is great in a three dimensional battlespace!) it's ok from behind the cockpit. But that dumb cockpit makes it ugly as sin.

Split cockpits aren't /that/ odd. Especially if the flight controls are duplicated, it makes a single hit less likely to cripple the entire ship.

The turret setup actually gives nearly spherical coverage, limited equatorial blindspots around 4-8 o'clock but it's a lot better in 3D space than a single dorsal turret could manage.

They are that odd, as now you've put a physical barrier between pilot and co pilot AND have each of them obstructing the other's vision.

The chin turret is the primary, and it can't shoot up.

Intercoms>shouting. The vision obstruction I can sort of give you, but it has FOUR crew with fairly full coverage.

Chin turret should have at least 45-degrees N+ in the front 90, but that's really what the dorsal turret is for. Chin turret will still get 15-20 N+ in the croissant, which lets it cover the entire equator with the exception of the points where the wings/sponsons intersect it, and if it's pointed at 6 o'clock it should have 10 N+, maybe 15.

I mean, geez, this is simple extrapolation.

I received my Wave 7 yesterday as well and agree! The YV666 is HUGE sitting beside the Falcon and YT-2400!!

I received my Wave 7 yesterday as well and agree! The YV666 is HUGE sitting beside the Falcon and YT-2400!!

Bosk obviously feels a need to compensate.

Size wize, I don't think there is any question that the K wing could have been large base, but that would have made it very easy to block, which would have made it worthless as a bomber, especially slamming. I think base sizes are more about game balance than anything else.

the K wing would be a big ship in real life, if a man is going to fit in that cockpit, then that ship ought to roughly have the wingspan of the falcon. I would say that even as big as it is, it's probably still smaller than it ought to be from a scale perspective. I don't care so much about that, so I'm good.

We had a similar conversation about the size difference between the A-wing and the Y-wing way back when, and I think the consensus was (or should have been) that the Y-wing should be bigger or the a-wing quite a bit smaller. same with the K-wing.

Again, I'm cool with it as is. I'll take looks right feels right over true scale any day.

Not sure how they would have gotten a true scale for the K-wing anyway, since it was never built as a model for the movies. the only logical approach would be to scale off the cockpit......oh, wait.

One of the Ship cards, Miranda Doni, corrects what someone said above about the firing arc of the K-Wing. The ship's upper turret can fire at the 5 and 7 o'clock positions. It can't be shooting at the 6 o'clock position, as it would be hitting the center engine. So, it doesn't have a true 360 degree firing arc. (OT: I do not know why FFG didn't equip the Lambda-class shuttle with a rear firing arc, as the ship is clearly equipped with a rear-facing weapon. This is confirmed in the game with the anti-pursuit lasers.)

Bombers can have a secondary role as a transportation craft. We have seen this secondary role in The Empire Strikes Back, when a bomber was used for transporting a high ranking Imperial official from a Star Destroyer to the Super Star Destroyer. I can see the Punisher being used as a transport.

OT: I do not know why FFG didn't equip the Lambda-class shuttle with a rear firing arc, as the ship is clearly equipped with a rear-facing weapon. This is confirmed in the game with the anti-pursuit lasers.)

It wouldn't fit to let the Lambda have the same firepower in the rear arc as in the primary arc.