If Bossk attacks me and has 1 crit that is uncancelled and I have initiative, can I choose to Draw Their Fire before he converts the crit with his ability?

Bossk's ability activates BEFORE dealing damage and cancels the crit for 2 hits.

DTF allows you to suffer a uncancelled crit instead of the other ship.

Since Bossk never delivers a crit to the ship - then there is nothing for you to Draw away.

Bossk happens before suffering damage. DTF allows a ship to suffer the damage. So Bossk converts the Crit result before DTF happens

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I agree that his ability happens before "Dealing Damage" but I feel like DTF would trigger after the "Compare Results" phase. DTF text says "If the defender is hit by an attack (Step 6), you may suffer 1 of the uncancelled "hollow explosion symbols" instead of the target. I would assume this happens before the deal damage step which means I would have to resolve my effect first since I have initiative.

It has been pretty well established that DTF triggers in the Compare Results step, as soon as it is determined that the attack hits.

It has been pretty well established that DTF triggers in the Compare Results step, as soon as it is determined that the attack hits.

Which is exactly when Bossk triggers. Probably.

Bossk's wording is a little strange. "When you perform an attack that hits, before dealing damage..." I see two possibilities there - either "Attack that hits" is a time window trigger (kind of like "When attacking..." is), because it applies to the entire attack. Or it triggers on the hit itself, and sets up a later window to do something (before damage).

Or, possibly, "before dealing damage" is just a redundant reminder.

But either way, there are two possible trigger timings for Bossk to do his thing: After the hit, or before dealing damage. If it's after the hit, it's the same time as DTF, and would go to initiative. If it's before dealing damage, it's solidly after DTF, and DTF just wins outright.

But to make it even more fun, we still don't know how DTF actually resolves. It's actually the same issue as the DTF/Ion crit discussion - does DTF cause you to suffer it immediately on resolution, or set up some effect for later?

Confused yet? <shrug> Too many unknowns and very ambiguous wording. Send it to FFG. It's their mess, let them clean it up.

It has been pretty well established that DTF triggers in the Compare Results step, as soon as it is determined that the attack hits.

If DtF resolves in step 6 then we have 2 effects that reaolce at the same time and we use initiative to resolve the order.

If DtF resolves in Step 7 tjener Bossk clearly comes first as he resolves before step 7.

It has been pretty well established that DTF triggers in the Compare Results step, as soon as it is determined that the attack hits.

This is by no means well established. Every single thread involving DtF discusses the timing of said card.

If DtF resolves in step 6 then we have 2 effects that reaolce at the same time and we use initiative to resolve the order.

If DtF resolves in Step 7 tjener Bossk clearly comes first as he resolves before step 7.

Bossk's ability should clearly happen at the end of the Step 6 - Compare Results because it is worded "before dealing damage."

DTF is worded as follows:

"When a friendly ship at Range 1 is hit by an attack, you may suffer 1 of the uncanceled Critical Hit results instead of the target ship."

Suffering Damage occurs in Step 7 of Combat by reducing shields and then damaging hull.

Damage is suffered one at a time, with regular hits suffered before crits.

So results of the dice are assigned in Step 7, which is where you can elect to use DTF.

Note - I think this makes sense based on the wording of the cards, but it would be nice to have FFG rule on exactly when this happens to get us all on the same page.

It has been pretty well established that DTF triggers in the Compare Results step, as soon as it is determined that the attack hits.

Which is exactly when Bossk triggers. Probably.

Bossk's wording is a little strange. "When you perform an attack that hits, before dealing damage..." I see two possibilities there - either "Attack that hits" is a time window trigger (kind of like "When attacking..." is), because it applies to the entire attack. Or it triggers on the hit itself, and sets up a later window to do something (before damage).

Or, possibly, "before dealing damage" is just a redundant reminder.

But either way, there are two possible trigger timings for Bossk to do his thing: After the hit, or before dealing damage.

I don't think the problem here lies with Bossk at all. "Before dealing damage" is a timing instruction: this ability is resolved before damage is dealt, and we already know that "before X" means "this is the last thing you do before you do X". That doesn't line it up neatly with steps--it could come at the end of Step 6 or the beginning of Step 7--but it's unambiguous.

The problem is with Draw Their Fire, which (as several people including you have pointed out) could happen in a couple of different places, and has never been properly resolved. These days I prefer the explanation that it happens when damage is dealt (that is, during the Deal Damage step after uncanceled hits have been resolved). I like it better because it fixes the problems between DTF/Xizor and Ion/Flechette/TLT, but there's no clear rules basis for putting it in one place over the other.

It has been pretty well established that DTF triggers in the Compare Results step, as soon as it is determined that the attack hits.

This is by no means well established. Every single thread involving DtF discusses the timing of said card.

If DtF resolves in step 6 then we have 2 effects that reaolce at the same time and we use initiative to resolve the order.

If DtF resolves in Step 7 tjener Bossk clearly comes first as he resolves before step 7.

Bossk's ability should clearly happen at the end of the Step 6 - Compare Results because it is worded "before dealing damage."

DTF is worded as follows:

"When a friendly ship at Range 1 is hit by an attack, you may suffer 1 of the uncanceled Critical Hit results instead of the target ship."

Suffering Damage occurs in Step 7 of Combat by reducing shields and then damaging hull.

Damage is suffered one at a time, with regular hits suffered before crits.

So results of the dice are assigned in Step 7, which is where you can elect to use DTF.

Note - I think this makes sense based on the wording of the cards, but it would be nice to have FFG rule on exactly when this happens to get us all on the same page.

I am completely in agreement with you and Vorpal Sword. Suffering damage is very clearly defined in step 7. So to me the timing is very clear.

So if DTF does work on Bossk's crit before he blows it up, could he turn that crit into two hits after DTF pulls it to another ship?

(I don't think DTF triggers before Bossk)

So if DTF does work on Bossk's crit before he blows it up, could he turn that crit into two hits after DTF pulls it to another ship?

(I don't think DTF triggers before Bossk)

I don't think it matters. If Bossk's target is hit (which is a requirement for Draw Their Fire), he can change one crit result to two hit results. Regardless of where that crit result is (either on the defender or the fire-drawer), it will be cancelled and two hit results will be added. I think these hits will add to his pool of dice results, which are all targeting the defender. In other words, even if someone draws a crit off of Bossk's target, Bossk can cancel that drawn-off result to add two results to the original attack.

Reading both the cards, It seems that they both trigger when hit, so player with the initiative would get the choice, However the second Text of bossk is "before Dealing the damage You may Cancel 1 of your CRIT results and add 2 HIT results".

What I would assume is that a Ship with DTF can in fact take the CRIT, however before that ship suffers the CRIT Bossk can Change it to 2 hits.

Basically Bossk just changes a CRIT to 2 Hits regardless of which ship it hits.