What about running jedi more like clans of Samurai? They have a Daimyo like individual who the republic senate of planetary governments can petition for help.

IMO this could be an interesting alternate universe, but there's no precedent in the OT (at least that I'm familiar with) that would make the this mesh well.

Maybe it's just from the analogy you've chosen: Based on my understanding, Daimyo were land-holding vassals of the Shogun, and, since they held land, they could not have been samurai (at least after Toyotomi's reformation at the end of the 16th century... I think. My Japanese history is rusty). To make your analogy work, the "Jedi Daimyo" wouldn't be actually be Jedi, which just seems weird.

But maybe I'm reading into it too much. I don't think Samurai really organised themselves in clans, I don't feel like Jedi would either. This sounds more a like a Mandalorian social structure.

What about running jedi more like clans of Samurai? They have a Daimyo like individual who the republic senate of planetary governments can petition for help.

IMO this could be an interesting alternate universe, but there's no precedent in the OT (at least that I'm familiar with) that would make the this mesh well.

Maybe it's just from the analogy you've chosen: Based on my understanding, Daimyo were land-holding vassals of the Shogun, and, since they held land, they could not have been samurai (at least after Toyotomi's reformation at the end of the 16th century... I think. My Japanese history is rusty). To make your analogy work, the "Jedi Daimyo" wouldn't be actually be Jedi, which just seems weird.

But maybe I'm reading into it too much. I don't think Samurai really organised themselves in clans, I don't feel like Jedi would either. This sounds more a like a Mandalorian social structure.

No Samurai did not organize themselves in clans like the Mandoa. But they did organize under Daimyo in a stucture that could be seen as similar to clans.

Basically a regional governor would hire a group of Jedi to protect their territory. They would pay in credits, food and land.

Land would be for a temple complex training area. Food to feed the Jedi and some credits and equipment for pay, The Jedi would be who would be called upon when local law enforcement can't handle the problem.

What about running jedi more like clans of Samurai? They have a Daimyo like individual who the republic senate of planetary governments can petition for help.

Legend of the Five Lightsabers!

With my moniker I should have thought of this first =)

Lucas was inspired by Akira Kurosawa who made a lot of classic samurai movies (and there are a number of parellels between Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress and Star Wars) - Lucas even considered casting Mifune as Obi-wan.

And there are a lot of similarities between the Jedi and the iconic Samurai - warriors with a mystical side with a unique code they follow.

Instead of a Jedi High Council you have a Daimyo and his advisors.

Maybe even a Jedi Shogun or Jedi Emperor with Jedi Daimyo who owe fealty. So you'd have different families of Jedi organized in clans or families or territories.

And like the Samurai each family could have developed their own "family" lightsaber style. One family developed Ataru, another Soresu, etc.

A lot of Kurosawa's classic movies would fit very well into a reimagined (or even canon) Star Wars setting:

Yojombo - A Jedi tries to defeat to rival gangs tearing a town apart.

The Magnificent 7 - A world seeks out help from the Jedi to deal with a pirate king.

Even the classic 47 Ronin tale - Maybe the Sith wipe out the Jedi clan and 47 Jedi "ronin" survive to plot revenge on the new Sith Emperor.

And the legendary sword master Miyamoto Musashi could be reimagined as Yoda, the Jedi master who wanders the land dispensing wisdom and whoopings.

No Samurai did not organize themselves in clans like the Mandoa. But they did organize under Daimyo in a stucture that could be seen as similar to clans.

Basically a regional governor would hire a group of Jedi to protect their territory. They would pay in credits, food and land.

Land would be for a temple complex training area. Food to feed the Jedi and some credits and equipment for pay, The Jedi would be who would be called upon when local law enforcement can't handle the problem.

Eh, this still feels a little too mercenary for my taste, Jedi getting involved in conflicts in exchange for [stuff]. And I just can't get behind Jedi organizing under an authority figure that isn't a Jedi.

But if it works for you, then cool. This thread is all about hypothetical re-writes.

Getting things back on track, I'd like to explore the Force ghost idea more.

I've already decided that if I'm going to employ the Force Ghost trope, it will be in such a way that it will be ambiguously a hallucination. Luke's vision of Kenobi on Hoth and hearing his voice in the Death Star's trench are the idea models -- Luke can be "haunted" by Ben's "ghost" in a purely psychological manner, and people grieving in the real world have similar experiences. Of course, this is eventually (uninterestingly, IMO) resolved when Yoda hears/sees his ghost as well, but up to that point...

I did something similar in an old SAGA game. The PCs learned a lot of backstory about a slaughter of Jedi at the hands of the Sith, and upon visiting the site, the Force Sensitive PC has a vision of the horrible event. Real vision through the Force or just power of suggestion? Coulda been either...

No Samurai did not organize themselves in clans like the Mandoa. But they did organize under Daimyo in a stucture that could be seen as similar to clans.

Basically a regional governor would hire a group of Jedi to protect their territory. They would pay in credits, food and land.

Land would be for a temple complex training area. Food to feed the Jedi and some credits and equipment for pay, The Jedi would be who would be called upon when local law enforcement can't handle the problem.

Eh, this still feels a little too mercenary for my taste, Jedi getting involved in conflicts in exchange for [stuff]. And I just can't get behind Jedi organizing under an authority figure that isn't a Jedi.

But if it works for you, then cool. This thread is all about hypothetical re-writes.

I think you are overthinking it. and this is basically how the jedi worked in the movies. the only difference is in this model it is less centralized.

No Samurai did not organize themselves in clans like the Mandoa. But they did organize under Daimyo in a stucture that could be seen as similar to clans.

Basically a regional governor would hire a group of Jedi to protect their territory. They would pay in credits, food and land.

Land would be for a temple complex training area. Food to feed the Jedi and some credits and equipment for pay, The Jedi would be who would be called upon when local law enforcement can't handle the problem.

Eh, this still feels a little too mercenary for my taste, Jedi getting involved in conflicts in exchange for [stuff]. And I just can't get behind Jedi organizing under an authority figure that isn't a Jedi.

But if it works for you, then cool. This thread is all about hypothetical re-writes.

I think you are overthinking it. and this is basically how the jedi worked in the movies. the only difference is in this model it is less centralized.

No, it's not. The Jedi were organized under the Jedi Council that was full of Jedi, not some other non-force users.

Instead of clans there should be multiple Knight "cells". There is the main Jedi Order itself, and each Master of the Council is actually the head of their own order or a senior member of a larger one.

The smaller orders/cells would be based on Master/Apprentice relationships. Almost like a family tree, or a clan. Attaining Mastery in the Jedi ranks means you take a senior position of that cell/clan and a seat in the Council. Or you can start your own.

The idea's based on romanticized warrior societies where a teacher would establish a school on, say, swordsmanship, and gather students and train up masters of their art. Schools of philosophy, different monasteries, they all followed this teacher-student dynamic and grew that way.

I think it's how the Old Republic Jedi used to run things, in the comics at least.

No Samurai did not organize themselves in clans like the Mandoa. But they did organize under Daimyo in a stucture that could be seen as similar to clans.

Basically a regional governor would hire a group of Jedi to protect their territory. They would pay in credits, food and land.

Land would be for a temple complex training area. Food to feed the Jedi and some credits and equipment for pay, The Jedi would be who would be called upon when local law enforcement can't handle the problem.

Eh, this still feels a little too mercenary for my taste, Jedi getting involved in conflicts in exchange for [stuff]. And I just can't get behind Jedi organizing under an authority figure that isn't a Jedi.

But if it works for you, then cool. This thread is all about hypothetical re-writes.

I think you are overthinking it. and this is basically how the jedi worked in the movies. the only difference is in this model it is less centralized.

No, it's not. The Jedi were organized under the Jedi Council that was full of Jedi, not some other non-force users.

And WHERE do you think they got their money? Where do you think they got their missions? Sure they had a Jedi council. Instead of a single Daimyo...but they were given land and money and equipment by the republic and in exchange they did things for the republic. yes yes they were doing jobs for non force users.

And WHERE do you think they got their money? Where do you think they got their missions? Sure they had a Jedi council. Instead of a single Daimyo...but they were given land and money and equipment by the republic and in exchange they did things for the republic. yes yes they were doing jobs for non force users.

There's a difference between getting funded by a group and being organized under a group. Similarly contracting a job out to an organization doesn't provide the client authority over said organization.

There's a thousand ways the Order could have been funded (charity, trusts, investments, grants, etc.) but you seem insistent on how this it how it *must* be, so there's not much point in further discussion.