I'm more interested in seeing how the Rebels characters eat it so that Luke can bring back the Jedi and such.

I like the show, but I mean, Luke brought the Jedi back from the dead. He can't do that if there are two other Jedi flying around killing Imperials and stuff.

I'd also like the Imperials to be able to pull something off other than when Tarkin or Darth Vader show up in person. I mean, the Inquisitor and Kallus are about as effective as the storm troopers they command. At least they 'retired' the two incompetents that had been chasing around the Rebels crew previously.

I prefer rebels.

Clone Wars is full of awfully boring filler and really pants stories (I have only watched 2 season but then since I've only watched 1 of rebels it seems a fair comparison) Plus it's about the characters from the crappy prequel films.

I am very interested in what's going to happen in Rebels and I also love the way that it about non film characters, I love the animation style. I like comics and I always appreciate abstract art and different looks and feels and I love the way rebels looks. l really like the ghost and her crew and I think it captures the new hope feel.

It does have dud episodes but Clone Wars just seems like a big long stream of dud episodes to me.

Better how? Plot, pacing, tone & mood, art, editing, character development, plausibility, background, acting, subtext?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, not sure, yes, not sure, yes, no, and not sure.

Not sures being things I mostly don't take notice of.

I like Clone Wars (excluding the Jar-Jar episodes and the freaking Planet / Children of the Force bollocks).

Jar-Jar episodes are dumb, but at least they aren't as boring as Padme episodes.

I watched all of The Clone Wars just because it was Star Wars. It really wasn't very good. Some bits were ok but some were truly awful.

Rebels was much worse and I just can't watch it. Terrible program. Maybe if I was 8 I might like it (guess that's the target audience!). I really can't understand how so many grown adults on this forum are able to enjoy it as much as they say they do.

I really can't understand how so many grown adults on this forum are able to enjoy it as much as they say they do.

A significant portion of the adult population would say exactly the same thing about playing with toy space ships.

I enjoy Disney cartoons and films, I love Phineas and Ferb, it's brilliant. I actually find that most Disney things are very adult friendly compared to most other children cartoons becasue they are more Family orientated than aimed specifically at kids.

Wait....

I just remembered, Dath Maul didn't actually Die in Episode I he got robot legs and has a brother who is also evil?

This is why Clone Wars is crap.

I just remembered, Dath Maul didn't actually Die in Episode I he got robot legs and has a brother who is also evil?

Yep. It started out stupid, and got better as it went along.

And he never even died in Clone Wars. So here's hoping he shows up in Rebels.

I just remembered, Dath Maul didn't actually Die in Episode I he got robot legs and has a brother who is also evil?

Yep. It started out stupid, and got better as it went along.

And he never even died in Clone Wars. So here's hoping he shows up in Rebels.

I thought Dath Maul was in the later series... So it started out stupid and got utterly ridiculous.

I thought Dath Maul was in the later series... So it started out stupid and got utterly ridiculous.

I didn't mean the series, I meant the Darth Maul plotline.

He started out a crazy guy with a robot spider body(stupid) - became sane, got some Greivous-style robot bird legs, was obsessed with revenge on the Jedi(meh) - then got regular ass bionic legs, became more calculating, created a crime syndicate and took over Mandalore(awesome).

The entire Darth Maul storyline was absolutely ridiculous. The several episodes wasted by a guy who looks like a frog leading a team of droids was a complete waste of time. Ahsoka Tano was annoying... how was she, as a child and a padawan, able to last more than a few seconds against characters like Grievous? Absolute tosh.

Argh, you've made me remember how terrible TCW actually was. That Rebels is even more awful just makes me tired inside. I'd love a decent Star Wars series.

I enjoyed Clone Wars, especially after getting past the first two seasons. I loved the Mandalorian storylines as well as the Sith. I didn't care for Rebels until it got a little further into the season and got its legs. Now I prefer it. I'm kind of burned out on the Clone Wars period.

-Cal

Ill be honest, just finished watching the first season of Starwars Rebels, got a Starwars pop up channel on tv here in South Africa.

Things I don't like :

• Ezra , my word is that kid annoying and I fear for children wanting to be this uptight look how cool I am street rat.
• Disney moments, yes I know its Disney but those Ohana means family, family means no one gets left behind moments really do grate me.

Things I do like :

• The characters, all of the other cast and crew are interesting from the mandolore girl to the laset. Cool characters would like to see more backstory on each
• The location, yes its sucks that its only on lorthal, but it works in the story as just a group causing trouble. Just bad glad its not Tatooine again.
• Stoopid Storm Troopers, I really do like this child vision of the empire being basically a bunch on bullies and only the very top have some intelligence and even the own empire uses its troops as fodder. .

Rebels is good, the first time watching I had pretty low expectations given that it is Disney but looking pass those moments it is actually a very enjoyable series, the cameo appearances by Lando or C3-PO and R2-D2 are such cool nods. It works as show and has enough of a edge that even as an adult there are still some woah moments.

The several episodes wasted by a guy who looks like a frog leading a team of droids was a complete waste of time.

That arc had Trooper Gregor. Therefor your argument is invalid.

The entire Darth Maul storyline was absolutely ridiculous. The several episodes wasted by a guy who looks like a frog leading a team of droids was a complete waste of time. Ahsoka Tano was annoying... how was she, as a child and a padawan, able to last more than a few seconds against characters like Grievous? Absolute tosh.

Argh, you've made me remember how terrible TCW actually was. That Rebels is even more awful just makes me tired inside. I'd love a decent Star Wars series.

It would've been fun to see The Sons of Dathomir animated. A lot fo fun battles, including Maul vs Greivious and Talzin vs Sidious. Plus, more Mandos.

And remember, Lucas had very, very different views on Grievious. And really, that was where all the problems I have with Clone Wars. Filoni seems to get it a bit more than Lucas did.

I just finished the first season of Rebels, At first I thought the series was a comedy. Then the inquisitor executed two officers! Dang! I knew Mickey Mouse couldn't handle the Dark side of the Force!

The OT had consequences to people's actions. Planets getting blown up, minor characters getting killed off, etc. Something felt at stake. Nothing was trivialized. Fear. Accountability. Consequences.

Rebels carries ZERO accountability and or consequences. The bad guys are bumbling fools, the good guys shrug everything off and don't seem concerned in the slightest.

How anyone can compare the 2 in terms of "kiddiness" is beyond me. The OT was a story for EVERYONE. Young, old, middle aged, it didn't matter. There was fun in there for all.

Rebels is a complete kid show with zero interesting pieces to hold the attention of viewers older then 20.

Once again, if there wasn't a star wars paint job on Rebels not 1 of you would like it.

The entire show is 1 large gimmick. Aladdin, graffiti girl, spinning disk lightsabers, lightsabers stun guns etc. It screams of a show milking as much from SW universe as possible. Just to sell toys and let 5 yr olds aware of the universe.

There is no depth. No meaningful story. No deep character development. No accountability. No consequences. Nothing.

If I could "like" this post a zillion times? I would.

Folks, being burned out on the prequels and Clone Wars era (hey, me too!) does NOT instantaneously make "Rebels" a better written and better produced series.

Just fyi.

Folks, being burned out on the prequels and Clone Wars era (hey, me too!) does NOT instantaneously make "Rebels" a better written and better produced series.

If anything, Clone Wars made me hate the prequel era a lot less.

Then don't watch it if you are too grown up for it. It's not written for you. Also ESB was the Darkest Star Wars got, so using the very edge as a base is wrong.

An entire third of the sample size you asked us to consider is hardly "the very edge".

And going outside the OT, I'd say most of Revenge of the Sith is even darker than Empire.

Well hate to say it but Star Wars is not an Adult story. It will never again meet up to your standards if you don't realize this. Rebels is Y7 meaning it is good for kids to watch. It is not going to be all dark and sad, it is meant to be fun. Hey just like A New Hope was, campy and fun.

You're right.. blowing up planets, getting your hand chopped off, getting eaten alive by giant sand worms, children getting slaughtered by a main character, force choking your wife which results in her death, decapitation by lightsaber, betraying your friends and father figure and frying people with lightning..

Oh yes, star wars is just dripping with kiddie nonesense. Give me a **** break.

It's clear you are only defending rebels because of your 8 yr old child likes it.

You do understand that the "kiddie" things in star wars movies fit under the "comic relief" catagory yes?

Please explain to me how frying people with lightning and slaughtin children are plot points designed for children?

You clearly have zero concept of stories being designed for everyone. To you, everyone seems to imply it was designed directly for children.

The love you have for your child is clouding your judgment. Star wars wasn't designed for him. It was designed for EVERYONE to enjoy. That also includes adults and dark, gritty themes.

But I guess slaughtering children is made for kids to watch as long as there is a goofy comic relief element. Such as jar jar and ewoks.

If Rebels is too light and kiddy for you guys, don't watch it. I will, and will enjoy it, alongside Attack on Titan (now THERE's a brother/sister relationship to mess with your head). And "going dark" and changing the tone of something can seriously destroy a story. (e.g. the second half of Sword Art Online).

It's Star Wars, not Apocalypse Now. And if it was, it wouldn't be cross-generational adventure that it is. Seriously, you have the grandparents now telling their grandchildren how they reacted when they saw the opening scenes of Episode IV and how the world was never the same. It's about the start of the Rebellion. The point of the series is that all rebellion starts with acts of defiance - graffiti and stealing supplies. Bumbling incompetents are an integral part of any dictatorship, and Agent Kallus clearly chafes at the morons he works with (or worked with, now).

And you want plain bad, try watching Ewoks or Droids. Or Caravan of Courage.

You do realize the most critically successful movie in the OT was also the darkest and grittiest yes?? ESB had very few kiddie elements what so ever.

15 minutes of Ewoks in Return of the Jedi doesn't dismiss the hours of darker tones used throughout the entire saga.

"Fun" isn't exclusive to just 5 yr olds.

You wanna buy some deathsticks?

If Rebels is too light and kiddy for you guys, don't watch it. I will, and will enjoy it, alongside Attack on Titan (now THERE's a brother/sister relationship to mess with your head). And "going dark" and changing the tone of something can seriously destroy a story. (e.g. the second half of Sword Art Online).

It's Star Wars, not Apocalypse Now. And if it was, it wouldn't be cross-generational adventure that it is. Seriously, you have the grandparents now telling their grandchildren how they reacted when they saw the opening scenes of Episode IV and how the world was never the same. It's about the start of the Rebellion. The point of the series is that all rebellion starts with acts of defiance - graffiti and stealing supplies. Bumbling incompetents are an integral part of any dictatorship, and Agent Kallus clearly chafes at the morons he works with (or worked with, now).

And you want plain bad, try watching Ewoks or Droids. Or Caravan of Courage.

You do realize the most critically successful movie in the OT was also the darkest and grittiest yes?? ESB had very few kiddie elements what so ever.

15 minutes of Ewoks in Return of the Jedi doesn't dismiss the hours of darker tones used throughout the entire saga.

"Fun" isn't exclusive to just 5 yr olds.

Ewoks don't dismiss anything AT ALL, the ONLY thing kiddy about them is their appearance. Consider that they were going to kill and eat the Endor team.

If Rebels is too light and kiddy for you guys, don't watch it. I will, and will enjoy it, alongside Attack on Titan (now THERE's a brother/sister relationship to mess with your head). And "going dark" and changing the tone of something can seriously destroy a story. (e.g. the second half of Sword Art Online).

It's Star Wars, not Apocalypse Now. And if it was, it wouldn't be cross-generational adventure that it is. Seriously, you have the grandparents now telling their grandchildren how they reacted when they saw the opening scenes of Episode IV and how the world was never the same. It's about the start of the Rebellion. The point of the series is that all rebellion starts with acts of defiance - graffiti and stealing supplies. Bumbling incompetents are an integral part of any dictatorship, and Agent Kallus clearly chafes at the morons he works with (or worked with, now).

And you want plain bad, try watching Ewoks or Droids. Or Caravan of Courage.

You do realize the most critically successful movie in the OT was also the darkest and grittiest yes?? ESB had very few kiddie elements what so ever.

15 minutes of Ewoks in Return of the Jedi doesn't dismiss the hours of darker tones used throughout the entire saga.

"Fun" isn't exclusive to just 5 yr olds.

Ewoks don't dismiss anything AT ALL, the ONLY thing kiddy about them is their appearance. Consider that they were going to kill and eat the Endor team.

Consider that they befriended another human and accepted her into the tribe. And they were STILL going to kill and eat them (and Chewie).

If Rebels is too light and kiddy for you guys, don't watch it. I will, and will enjoy it, alongside Attack on Titan (now THERE's a brother/sister relationship to mess with your head). And "going dark" and changing the tone of something can seriously destroy a story. (e.g. the second half of Sword Art Online). It's Star Wars, not Apocalypse Now. And if it was, it wouldn't be cross-generational adventure that it is. Seriously, you have the grandparents now telling their grandchildren how they reacted when they saw the opening scenes of Episode IV and how the world was never the same. It's about the start of the Rebellion. The point of the series is that all rebellion starts with acts of defiance - graffiti and stealing supplies. Bumbling incompetents are an integral part of any dictatorship, and Agent Kallus clearly chafes at the morons he works with (or worked with, now). And you want plain bad, try watching Ewoks or Droids. Or Caravan of Courage.

You do realize the most critically successful movie in the OT was also the darkest and grittiest yes?? ESB had very few kiddie elements what so ever.15 minutes of Ewoks in Return of the Jedi doesn't dismiss the hours of darker tones used throughout the entire saga."Fun" isn't exclusive to just 5 yr olds.

Ewoks don't dismiss anything AT ALL, the ONLY thing kiddy about them is their appearance. Consider that they were going to kill and eat the Endor team.

I mean, you can argue intent vs. nature on that, and I sort of agree, but Rebels primary failure isn't on the intents of its villains, but rather on the character of its heroes.

(and the art, but that's taste)