Clone Wars was very hit or miss and burdened with all the flaws inherent in the prequel trilogy's subject matter, but it actually managed to pull some decent stuff at times.

Clone Wars was very inconsistent in tone, but Rebels is extremely biased toward being a kids show rather than "all-ages" entertainment. Personally, I found clone wars much more tolerable.

Here's the issue with the Clone Wars, that I'm pretty certain many of the adults may have missed. At time, the Clone Wars was so far away from being "all-ages" that it isn't even funny to me. The way they upped the violence was terrible. It went "mature" in the most immature way.

Yes, Rebels does have a few episodes that have skewed toward standard kid fare. The first season isn't perfect. But neither was Avatar the Last Airbender or Gargoyles or Batman TAS.

The main characters are so improbably skilled and arrogantly self-confident in all but the most dangerous situations, and combined with the frustratingly bumbling manner in which the Imperials are portrayed it makes most of the conflicts lack any sense of tension or believability.

I think you need to re-familiarize yourself with the source material.

People have Star Wars different than it really is, in their minds.

IDK why.

People are entitled to their opinions, but I find a huge difference between the OT and the way Rebels portrays things. The OT is a space adventure that mostly glosses over the real nature of war and lets most of the main characters squeak their way through many dangerous situations by the seat of their pants, but they at least have the decency to act concerned about it and try to avoid fighting when possible, and the deaths of various minor characters at least gives the impression that something bad could happen. The characters in Rebels never seem too worried unless a Sith is involved, and sometimes they even outright declare that they think it's fun.

Like Luke blowing up TIEs???

Star Wars is a space adventure. That is what you get in Rebels. All of these "adult justifcations" for why Rebels is different from ANH is just people trying to justify liking one kid thing vs liking another kid thing.

The first season isn't perfect. But neither was Avatar the Last Airbender or Gargoyles or Batman TAS.

You STFU!

I like Rebels. I grew up with the Original Trilogy (90's re-releases), but I also had the prequels as I got older. I watched some of Clone Wars, but I didn't enjoy the fact that many of the episodes were self-contained storylines that might be used later. I prefer the continuous storyline of Rebels to that format. Is Rebels perfect? Of course not. It's the first season of the show. Look back to the first season of Clone Wars and you'll see that it had a rocky start as well. Many issues that people have with Rebels (such as it only being about Lothal) either have been or will be addressed in the next season.

I just watch the 3rd episode of the Star Wars Rebels. And my first impression is.

1) It smells of Disney!

2) The empire is full of incompetent stooges.

3) Ezra is annoying

Though it was entertaining.

I personal would love a totally new Sci-Fi Space series.

I knew someone would probably bring up Luke gunning down TIEs. If I were to specifically discuss the point, there are various ways to interpret that scene beyond "Luke thinks blowing up TIEs is fun," but that is ultimately beside the point.

For Rebels though, I don't agree that hand-waving it all away as a "space adventure" excuses the show from needing a bit more gravity and/or "realism" to make people care about the characters and get invested in the story. They don't need to dwell on the grim nature of war or rack up a huge body count, but treating the act of open rebellion against the governing military with a fraction of the significance it deserves would be a start.

I do not wish to argue, so I will leave it at that. Agree to disagree, perhaps.

The main characters are so improbably skilled and arrogantly self-confident in all but the most dangerous situations, and combined with the frustratingly bumbling manner in which the Imperials are portrayed it makes most of the conflicts lack any sense of tension or believability.

I think you need to re-familiarize yourself with the source material.

People have Star Wars different than it really is, in their minds.

IDK why.

People are entitled to their opinions, but I find a huge difference between the OT and the way Rebels portrays things. The OT is a space adventure that mostly glosses over the real nature of war and lets most of the main characters squeak their way through many dangerous situations by the seat of their pants, but they at least have the decency to act concerned about it and try to avoid fighting when possible, and the deaths of various minor characters at least gives the impression that something bad could happen. The characters in Rebels never seem too worried unless a Sith is involved, and sometimes they even outright declare that they think it's fun.

Luke, with starry eyes; I GOT HIM!

The OT had consequences to people's actions. Planets getting blown up, minor characters getting killed off, etc. Something felt at stake. Nothing was trivialized. Fear. Accountability. Consequences.

Rebels carries ZERO accountability and or consequences. The bad guys are bumbling fools, the good guys shrug everything off and don't seem concerned in the slightest.

How anyone can compare the 2 in terms of "kiddiness" is beyond me. The OT was a story for EVERYONE. Young, old, middle aged, it didn't matter. There was fun in there for all.

Rebels is a complete kid show with zero interesting pieces to hold the attention of viewers older then 20.

Once again, if there wasn't a star wars paint job on Rebels not 1 of you would like it.

The entire show is 1 large gimmick. Aladdin, graffiti girl, spinning disk lightsabers, lightsabers stun guns etc. It screams of a show milking as much from SW universe as possible. Just to sell toys and let 5 yr olds aware of the universe.

There is no depth. No meaningful story. No deep character development. No accountability. No consequences. Nothing.

How anyone can compare the 2 in terms of "kiddiness" is beyond me. The OT was a story for EVERYONE. Young, old, middle aged, it didn't matter. There was fun in there for all.

Rebels is a complete kid show with zero interesting pieces to hold the attention of viewers older then 20.

I very much agree with this.

I'm getting really tired of people constantly going "So was the original trilogy" to every complaint someone has about Rebels.

Yes, the OT has goofy kids **** in it. It also has a lot of stuff that ISN'T that(like, all of Empire).

Rebels is like if they made an entire show with the tone of the ****ing Ewoks.

That said, Rebels is getting better as it goes along. And the last special is very much not like that. So if there's a progression there from what it started out as to something else, then awesome.

Wow, people are really taking this seriously. Well the good news is the show was written for my son, not me. Also those saying there are no consequences for the Rebel's actions and that they are completely fearless you obviously missed the last half of the first season and most definitely the beginning of season 2.

So let's be honest here guys, first I will repeat that Star Wars is written to be a family friendly universe. Rewatch the OT with a nonbiased eye and you will see that it had kids in mind. Star Wars is for your inner kid and if watching a kids show makes you feel uncomfortable well hate to break it to you but you always have.

Second the show just finished its first season and there were some very brutal death scenes for kids. So the story is getting its feet and can start going places now that the characters are established and they are on the run. The Rebel fleet also took a huge hit so for now the Rebels have to rethink their strategy.

So remember you are allowed your opinion but your memory of the OT is most likely biased because you grew up with it as a kid. If you watch it now with out the kid memories it is a relatively ok movie by today's standards.

So if the Show is too kiddie for you go ahead and be a grumpy old man and yell how it was better back in your days. Of course it won't help and you will still be a grumpy old man. As for me I am going to watch Rebels with my 8 year old son and have fun. I am sure other parents will be doing the same. If you want violent adult like shows with darker themes watch Game of Thrones.

So let's be honest here guys, first I will repeat that Star Wars is written to be a family friendly universe. Rewatch the OT with a nonbiased eye and you will see that it had kids in mind.

And I say you're overgeneralizing.

I see pretty much nothing in Empire Strikes Back that makes me think "This is for kids."

There's this thing called a "middle ground". There's a lot of it in the OT. There's very little of it in the first season of Rebels.

Also for the record the last two seasons of the Clone Wars my 8 year old son can't watch yet. They got way dark and the theme is too much for him yet. So even though I enjoyed them my son is not yet, so I am glad that so far the only thing in Rebels my son did like was Luminara's corpse in the prison.

You have to remember if they want to make shows for kids that there is a line, and that Star Wars is not about you.

So let's be honest here guys, first I will repeat that Star Wars is written to be a family friendly universe. Rewatch the OT with a nonbiased eye and you will see that it had kids in mind.

And I say you're overgeneralizing.

I see pretty much nothing in Empire Strikes Back that makes me think "This is for kids."

There's this thing called a "middle ground". There's a lot of it in the OT. There's very little of it in the first season of Rebels.

Then don't watch it if you are too grown up for it. It's not written for you. Also ESB was the Darkest Star Wars got, so using the very edge as a base is wrong.

An entire third of the sample size you asked us to consider is hardly "the very edge".

And going outside the OT, I'd say most of Revenge of the Sith is even darker than Empire. All the heroes getting gunned down in the back while one of the main characters murdered a bunch of children was just slightly darker than Han being frozen and Luke losing a hand.

Then don't watch it if you are too grown up for it. It's not written for you. Also ESB was the Darkest Star Wars got, so using the very edge as a base is wrong.

An entire third of the sample size you asked us to consider is hardly "the very edge".

And going outside the OT, I'd say most of Revenge of the Sith is even darker than Empire.

Well hate to say it but Star Wars is not an Adult story. It will never again meet up to your standards if you don't realize this.

But...it already did. Like, a bunch of times.

You're the one here using the overly myopic view of the series as a whole.

Clone Wars, as a whole, does a much better job of meeting the tone of the Star Wars movies, as a whole. It runs the entire gamut between silly, and exciting and thoughtful and dark.

Rebels does not do that. It focuses in on one aspect of the movies, and overdoes it.

If Rebels is too light and kiddy for you guys, don't watch it. I will, and will enjoy it, alongside Attack on Titan (now THERE's a brother/sister relationship to mess with your head). And "going dark" and changing the tone of something can seriously destroy a story. (e.g. the second half of Sword Art Online).

It's Star Wars, not Apocalypse Now. And if it was, it wouldn't be cross-generational adventure that it is. Seriously, you have the grandparents now telling their grandchildren how they reacted when they saw the opening scenes of Episode IV and how the world was never the same. It's about the start of the Rebellion. The point of the series is that all rebellion starts with acts of defiance - graffiti and stealing supplies. Bumbling incompetents are an integral part of any dictatorship, and Agent Kallus clearly chafes at the morons he works with (or worked with, now).

And you want plain bad, try watching Ewoks or Droids. Or Caravan of Courage.

Well hate to say it but Star Wars is not an Adult story. It will never again meet up to your standards if you don't realize this.

But...it already did. Like, a bunch of times.

You're the one here using the overly myopic view of the series as a whole.

Beatty is on point.

I am the one here that isn't thinking just about me and my preference in shows, I am also thinking of the kids that are watching the news shows

More specifically, you're thinking about your own kid.

Given that the thread is "Which series do you like better" and not "Which series does your kid like better", he is, in fact, entirely off point.

His entire argument revolves around Rebels being appropriate for it's target audience, instead of whether or not its actually a better show.

Clone Wars is the better Star Wars show.

I am the one here that isn't thinking just about me and my preference in shows, I am also thinking of the kids that are watching the news shows

More specifically, you're thinking about your own kid.

Beatty is on point.

Given that the thread is "Which series do you like better" and not "Which series does your kid like better", he is, in fact, entirely off point.

His entire argument revolves around Rebels being appropriate for it's target audience, instead of whether or not its actually a better show.

Clone Wars is the better Star Wars show.

Better how? Plot, pacing, tone & mood, art, editing, character development, plausibility, background, acting, subtext? I'm not wanting to come across as belligerent. The series have significant differences in both; I'd just like to see what areas of these are significant for you. For example, the whole Apartheid / Palestinian subtext is particularly compelling for me. The art is worse and feels sloppy, like it's trying to hard to be hand-drawn.

Some movies are objectively good, even if they are hated. I didn't think much of Apocalypse Now but it is a sublime movie. I loved Fury Road and it was a sublime movie. Series are much harder to compare because they are many different stories done by different writers and directors. Very few are like Babylon 5 or Firefly where there is no background and expectations and there is a single person's overarching vision driving it.

Ignoring a ton of the bickering and bsing above...

I like Clone Wars (excluding the Jar-Jar episodes and the freaking Planet / Children of the Force bollocks).
I like Rebels. Honestly, excluding a few sections, Rebels actually feels more tonally in tune with Star Wars. Season 2's opener was very good.

It's the same show with a new main cast.

I'm just hoping for some Obi-Wan in time....preferably struggling into his old Clone Wars armour.