So let's say you're flying The Inquisitor and at range 3 in front of him is Gemmer Sojun equipped with autothrusters. Now for this attack, am I correct that Gemmer gets only three evade dice because: The attack is treated at range 1, negating the range bonus. Only the attack, and not the position of the minis, is treated as being at range 1, and lastly there is no benefit to autothrusters because we're treating this as an attack at range 1 and not 3?

As I see it, when the Inquisitor attacks, the range for all effects that would measure range from The Inquisitor to his target are treated as 1. That would mean that the target doesn't get range bonuses and Autothrusters fail to activate, but Gemmer would get his bonus defense die.

Others see it differently.

The "differently" view is that the range for an attack, and range between ships, are actually two different things. This can actually occur now, with firing arcs - depending on how the arc clips the target, you can easily have an attack that's range 2 while the ships themselves are at Range 1. So Carnor Jax, for instance, could be the target of a Range 2 attack while still preventing the attacker from spending tokens.

Abilities which are part of the attack ("When attacking...", "When defending") care about the range of the attack. Gemmer cares about the actual range, not the attack range, so wouldn't get the extra agility.

I like the second interpretation better personally because of weird interactions like Gemmer, Carnor, and Thrusters. We'll have to see what FFG decides on in a while.

Yeah I think the intention was to give him three attack without changing the stats of the ship not to equip him with a three attack cannon.

Gemmer's ability activates when he has an enemy miniature at Range 1, not when he is attacked at Range 1.

Also, I'm on the opinion that, from the wording, the defender shouldn't get the extra green dice from being actually at Range 3, since the 'treat the range of the attack' expression seems absolute, both for the attacker and the defender.

Yeah, no bonus green dice ever, but no eternal Jax either. And based on the corner cases with Autothrusters, it appears to measure range independently as well, so they should be able to trigger when the ships are at range three, despite the attack being treated as range one.

The Inquistor: "When attacking with your primary weapon at Range 2-3, treat the range of the attack as Range 1."

Gemmer Sojan: "While you are at Range 1 of at least 1 enemy ship, increase your agility value by 1."

Carnor Jax: "Enemy ships at Range 1 cannot spend focus or evade tokens."

Autothrusters: "When defending, if you are beyond Range 2 or outside the attacker's firing arc, you may... "

Mercenary Copilot: "When attacking at Range 3, you may change one HIT result to a CRITICAL HIT result."

Ship Range and Attack Range aren't the same thing. Attack Range is only measured to closest point in that weapon's arc, ship range is simply closest to closest, regardless of arc. Therefore, you can have a Range 2 attack on a ship that is at Range 1. They'd need to be on the edge of the firing arc and at a specific angle, but it's possible. Someone with Vassal could probably make a picture of it.

The relevance? Position Gemmer, Carnor or an Autothruster ship correctly and they can be fired on while at Range 1 closest point to closest point but thanks to firing arcs be a Range 2 attack. This already exists in the game. Carnor can inhibit focus during a Range 2 attack on him. Autothrusters can fail to trigger on a Range 3 attack if any part of the ship is inside Range 2. The range of a ship and the range of an attack are different measurements, even if in almost all situations they match.

What the Inquisitor appears to do is make Range 1 attacks, regardless of ship range. At a basic level, this means no Range 3 bonus and always a Range 1 bonus: his primary is effectively a three dice cannon.

Abilities relating to the range of the attack trigger. Mercenary Copilot, could the Inquistor equip it, would never trigger. Autothrusters, Gemmer Sojan and Carnor Jax refer to ship range, not attack range, and can trigger. They refer to where the ships are, not the range of the attack. Gemmer and Carnor's abilities fire even when they aren't involved in the attack.

Another set of cards that refer to attack range rather than ship range? Ordnance. Rules As Written, The Inquistor cannot fire ordnance that cannot be fired at Range 1. He can fire Proton Rockets at Range 3, but can never fire Homing Missiles unless he gets the Injured Pilot crit.

However, as always, FFG will FAQ it to do what they want it to do.

@Blue Five: Inquisitor works with primary attacks only.

Where's that written?

On the card. How did I copy the whole text out and miss that?

Where's that written?

On the card. How did I copy the whole text out and miss that?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway, the answer currently is that both Gemmer and Thrusters trigger off of ship range, not attack range, which already can be different in the pre-Wave 8 game. Therefore, no bonus pilot ability die, no Range 3 bonus, yes Range 1 bonus, but Autothrusters does trigger.

Wait till we throw the Inquisitor and the advanced pilot that denies opponents range bonuses against each other.

NEXT TIME ON X-WING RULES ZEEEE!

Wait till we throw the Inquisitor and the advanced pilot that denies opponents range bonuses against each other.

NEXT TIME ON X-WING RULES ZEEEE!

Ha ha, I should read the card before I open my mouth.

Zertik? Needs to be physically in Range 1. Same phrasing as Carnor Jax.

Wait till we throw the Inquisitor and the advanced pilot that denies opponents range bonuses against each other.

NEXT TIME ON X-WING RULES ZEEEE!

Still it's a good example. Would be a great role question for a judges test if we ever get to verifying judges in a few years.

Anyway, the answer currently is that both Gemmer and Thrusters trigger off of ship range, not attack range

Uhm, what?

Autothrusters: When defending, if you are beyond range 2...

"When defending" seems to solidly put it in the category of attack range, no?

"When defending, if you are beyond Range 2..."

Odd phrasing. Would it not be "When defending at Range 2 or higher", like Mercenary Copilot.

That leads me to believe it's referring to ship position.

Autothrusters could rule either way. Then again, anything could rule either way. FFG'll FAQ it to fit their original intent.

In the case of autothrusters, I see no conflict in the rules.

Your ship can be perfectly beyond range 2 (which activates autothrusters) and the attack can be still treated as a range 1 attack.

One thing doesn't preclude the other.

Buhallin, I would have thought Autothrusters triggered off attack range, too, but we've got the ruling that says you can get your extra die for being at range three but not get Autothrusters if a corner of your base that's out of arc is at range two.

Buhallin, I would have thought Autothrusters triggered off attack range, too, but we've got the ruling that says you can get your extra die for being at range three but not get Autothrusters if a corner of your base that's out of arc is at range two.

I think this only applies to turrets, because the attack range is 2, even if the "in arc" part is range 3. This came from the ruling that the arc check is independent of the range check.

"When defending, if you are beyond Range 2..."

Odd phrasing. Would it not be "When defending at Range 2 or higher", like Mercenary Copilot.

That leads me to believe it's referring to ship position.

Autothrusters could rule either way. Then again, anything could rule either way. FFG'll FAQ it to fit their original intent.

I think you're reading too much into a grammatical difference. Autothrusters has a relatively complex trigger: A AND (B OR C). The comma separates A from B OR C and combines them in a pretty natural AND. If they didn't break it up like that it would read as A AND B OR C, which is different.