can I drop a bomb at the end of my (advanced SLAM) action? or does it have to be dropped in the middle? And just so I know I am using it right I basically pick a maneuver as usual execute that and then declare a slam for my action. I then select a maneuver as long as its the same speed and execute that.
SLAM
Are you dropping a bomb that takes an action to drop or one that gets dropped before you reveal your dial?
If it is something that gets dropped with an action you would be able to use the action from Advanced SLAM once you had completed the maneuver you chose to use for the SLAM.
The bombs that trigger before revealing your dial get dropped before you reveal your dial. You can't drop them after you finish your normal move but before you SLAM.
Some bombs require revealing a dial to drop. As written, they would not be able to be dropped at the beginning of a SLAM maneuver (and would have to be dropped before the initial maneuver).
Some bombs require an Action to drop. They can be dropped any time you have an Action available to drop them, so they could be dropped using the Action provided by Advanced SLAM.
Either way, you can only drop a total of 1 bomb during a game round.
Are you dropping a bomb that takes an action to drop or one that gets dropped before you reveal your dial?
If it is something that gets dropped with an action you would be able to use the action from Advanced SLAM once you had completed the maneuver you chose to use for the SLAM.
The bombs that trigger before revealing your dial get dropped before you reveal your dial. You can't drop them after you finish your normal move but before you SLAM.
The preview article for the K-Wing shows one dropping a Seismic after its maneuver but before performing a Slam action. I know as the rules are currently written this doesn't make any sense, but I would be surprised if it isn't in the next FAQ.
Edited by MikeNYHCWhen you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial so you may use a dial-related ordnance either before moving or before SLAMming.
If you want to use a action-related one you need the extra action provided from Adv.Slam (or use your action for that purpose, so no SLAM obviously)
When you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial...
No, you don't. When you SLAM, you execute a maneuver on your dial. You aren't required to set or even touch a dial.
When you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial...
No, you don't. When you SLAM, you execute a maneuver on your dial. You aren't required to set or even touch a dial.
True, you're right. So no bombs dropping in between?
When you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial...
No, you don't. When you SLAM, you execute a maneuver on your dial. You aren't required to set or even touch a dial.
True, you're right. So no bombs dropping in between?
Yeah, but:
The preview article for the K-Wing shows one dropping a Seismic after its maneuver but before performing a Slam action. I know as the rules are currently written this doesn't make any sense, but I would be surprised if it isn't in the next FAQ.
You CAN drop a bomb right before you SLAM:
Also, because your SLAM counts as a full maneuver, it allows you to drop your Proton Bombs in the middle of your activation, right before you execute your SLAM.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/6/29/slam-and-bomb/
The preview article says you can, both in text and in pictures, so you can. It looks 100% clear to me that this was intention even if not fully as written.
Edited by treybertThis would not be the first time there was a big mistake in a preview article.
True, but this is pretty specific with little room for misinterpretation.
Right, but even the explanation of why you can do it in the article doesn't make sense (doing a "full maneuver" has nothing to do with dropping bombs, revealing a maneuver dial is the trigger). I think we'll find this is yet another bad mistake in their preview articles.
Right, but even the explanation of why you can do it in the article doesn't make sense (doing a "full maneuver" has nothing to do with dropping bombs, revealing a maneuver dial is the trigger). I think we'll find this is yet another bad mistake in their preview articles.
I think we'll find rather that its a mistake in wording the SLAM action and that they will FAQ it to count as revealing a maneuver.
When you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial so you may use a dial-related ordnance either before moving or before SLAMming.
Can you show me where on the card it says this?
The problem was created entirely by the article: without it, there wouldn't be any ambiguity at all. FFG created the problem, so they'll have to solve it with a FAQ entry.
On the card? Nowhere. In the article?
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/6/29/slam-and-bomb/
"Also, because your SLAM counts as a full maneuver, it allows you to drop your Proton Bombs in the middle of your activation, right before you execute your SLAM."
Errata incoming is all I can say.
On the card? Nowhere. In the article?
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/6/29/slam-and-bomb/
"Also, because your SLAM counts as a full maneuver, it allows you to drop your Proton Bombs in the middle of your activation, right before you execute your SLAM."
Errata incoming is all I can say.
I don't see the words "reveal" or "dial" anywhere here. I asked for where it says you reveal a dial.
It explicitly says you can drop a bomb prior to a SLAM maneuver. Therefore, that's what FFG intends SLAM to be able to do. Therefore, no matter what the rules may say, they will FAQ it such that it does that.
What happens if I SLAM a red maneuver? Do I get stress?
It happened to me yesterday when my K-Wing with the Damaged Engine crit moved 2 forward, then SLAMmed a 2 turn, that turn being red. Does a SLAM maneuver follows all the steps of executing a manenuver? Does it also perform the Check Pilot Stress step?
Edited by AzrapseRight now, rules as written, I'd say no. You neither gain or lose stress from SLAM. However, stress prevents red maneuvers and SLAM is a maneuver, so you couldn't SLAM red with stress.
Right now, rules as written, I'd say no. You neither gain or lose stress from SLAM. However, stress prevents red maneuvers and SLAM is a maneuver, so you couldn't SLAM red with stress.
True, but in my case, I came without stress to the Perform Action step, then SLAMmed and chose a red maneuver in the dial (because of the crit).
It is relevant to know if that red maneuver gives stress or not, because that would prevent Advanced Slam from giving an usable free action.
When you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial...
No, you don't. When you SLAM, you execute a maneuver on your dial. You aren't required to set or even touch a dial.
Vorpal, I normally agree with your interpretations, and while RAW I see your point of view, I can also see how someone could reveal a dial RAW. Since clearly the RAI is to be able to drop bombs before a SLAM*, I think that's the way we should play it until an errata/FAQ is dropped.
*Yes the articles often have errors, but they are almost always corrected very quickly, this article has not been corrected after 2 months. https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/6/29/slam-and-bomb/
Either the slam card is written poorly, or the article. In either case, we await ffg. In the mean time, I will be following the article in my casual games as it's more fun that way.
Edited by treybertI will be following the article in my casual games as it's more fun that way.
Which is the reason I am certain that it will eventually be ruled to work that way.
When you SLAM, you actually reveal a second dial...
No, you don't. When you SLAM, you execute a maneuver on your dial. You aren't required to set or even touch a dial.
Vorpal, I normally agree with your interpretations, and while RAW I see your point of view, I can also see how someone could reveal a dial RAW. Since clearly the RAI is to be able to drop bombs before a SLAM*, I think that's the way we should play it until an errata/FAQ is dropped.
*Yes the articles often have errors, but they are almost always corrected very quickly, this article has not been corrected after 2 months. https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/6/29/slam-and-bomb/
Sure. My point is, as others have also pointed out, that setting aside the article the rules don't support dropping a bomb immediately before using SLAM. Either the article is in error and the reference card is correct, or the article was the designers' intention and the reference card will need errata. Either way, it's going to take direct intervention from FFG to sort it out, and I hope it comes soon.