I don't know, I feel like this is getting into similar territory to that thread a while back saying Dori was OK (Not mndela's one, the one before that) where it boiled down to "He's better than nothing." Spirit Pippin is certainly better than nothing, but he's not really better than anything else. He has arguably the most powerful hero ability, that of generating a resource every round, but he doesn't have anything else except maybe in some really specific circumstances (and even there you could probably do better with another hero).

Yes, this feels like the Dori discussion, but Pippin has something Dori lack. Low threat. With his low starting threat, you can play him alongside strong heroes like Elrond, Gandalf and Boromir, but Dori has too high starting threat. The sphere is also a very different matter, tactics is (in most cases) the worst sphere, when spirit is (in most cases) the best sphere. Pippin is way better than Dori, and mostly better than Bombur or Brand.

See it from a different perspective, would you think a newly spoiled low threat spirit hero with a not great ability. Would you think that hero has a place in the game?

I am no Seastan, so do not expect me to build a good deck around him, I just feel that he is not that "bad" hero everyone thinks he is.

A challenge for a better deckbuilder than me, build a good spirit Pippin deck!

Yes, this feels like the Dori discussion, but Pippin has something Dori lack. Low threat. With his low starting threat, you can play him alongside strong heroes like Elrond, Gandalf and Boromir, but Dori has too high starting threat. The sphere is also a very different matter, tactics is (in most cases) the worst sphere, when spirit is (in most cases) the best sphere. Pippin is way better than Dori, and mostly better than Bombur or Brand.

See it from a different perspective, would you think a newly spoiled low threat spirit hero with a not great ability. Would you think that hero has a place in the game?

I am no Seastan, so do not expect me to build a good deck around him, I just feel that he is not that "bad" hero everyone thinks he is.

A challenge for a better deckbuilder than me, build a good spirit Pippin deck!

I have tried building a Spirit Pippin deck before, because I think it would be fun to show it on the channel. All my attempts have been to actually use his ability though, not just to use him as a low threat spirit stand-in (because what is the fun in using him without his ability).

Pippin is way better than Dori, and mostly better than Bombur or Brand.

No. No. Emphatically no. I need a word that is a stronger negative than no.

Yes, Pippin is low threat, but the reason his threat is lower than those other heroes you mention is because he has stats to match. And yes, Pippin is Spirit, but there are plenty of other Spirit heroes you can use. There is nothing Spirit Pippin can do which would make him a better choice for a deck than literally any other Spirit hero (or if your willpower is a concern then any other 2+ wp Spirit hero); whereas Dori's and Brand's abilities, while niche, have definite uses which can make them good fits for certain decks and certain contexts, not to mention their useful stats. Bombur's ability isn't even niche, it's central to Dwarf strategy since it helps you hit 5 Dwarves as fast as possible.

Pippin is way better than Dori, and mostly better than Bombur or Brand.

No. No. Emphatically no. I need a word that is a stronger negative than no.

Yes, Pippin is low threat, but the reason his threat is lower than those other heroes you mention is because he has stats to match. And yes, Pippin is Spirit, but there are plenty of other Spirit heroes you can use. There is nothing Spirit Pippin can do which would make him a better choice for a deck than literally any other Spirit hero (or if your willpower is a concern then any other 2+ wp Spirit hero); whereas Dori's and Brand's abilities, while niche, have definite uses which can make them good fits for certain decks and certain contexts, not to mention their useful stats. Bombur's ability isn't even niche, it's central to Dwarf strategy since it helps you hit 5 Dwarves as fast as possible.

Agreed. It's hard to say if a Spirit hero is weaker than a tactics hero, as the sphere have different roles, but it is no question that Pippin is the worst Spirit hero. Pippin quests for 2 thats all. Bombur defends well (natural fit for brand!) and Supports dwarfs and Brand is a decend attacker has ranged and a situational ability. Dori defends. Dori and Pippin are both mono-dimensionel, but I value defending over questing (imo there are more good Questers than Defenders) and Dori has the dwarf Support.

Spirit Pippin is the worst.

If you're not gonna use Pippin's ability, then he's absolutely outclassed by both spirit Glorfindel and spirit Merry, specially Merry

Strangely enough, Spirit Pippin has some interesting synergy with Lore Pippin. Then his ability essentially reads "Encounter Action: Raise your threat by 3 to draw a card." Could be interesting, especially paired with Spirit Merry.