Details are pretty scarce...

Details are scarce, because they could not talk about them. The major delay was caused by the Force Awakens stuff being put ahead of Armada and other stuff on the production line.

I'm sure FFG would of rather had Armada out sooner then this, but Disney said "TFA stuff by Sept 4th, and pray we do not alter the deal further." The problem is, they weren't and still aren't allowed to talk about it, until sept 4th.

As for the ISD II. 120 points is interesting, and I will take the time to point out I was right.

At 120, that means 3 ISD's with Motti (the cheapest commander so far Imp side) is 384, leaving 16 points for upgrades. I honestly can't see that being a real viable list. I could be wrong of course, but it seems to me 2 ISD's will be the most that most people would want.

I'm talking about the Wave 6 delays, on top of the shite quality of a fair portion of Wave 5 (Im looking at all those wonky bases. Literally everyone i know with a Decimator or Outrider has to slide it around or the base falls off.) I can't believe that EP7 merch caused those delays, because that would mean they did what? Didn't expand their factory production and tried to shoehorn everything into what they already had? Nah someone/something screwed the pooch over there, and FFG is being their usual close-mouthed self and not even giving us a half-assed explanation.

Their lack of constant community rapport is probably their biggest weakness imo, and its offset mostly by the fact that they don't actively try to screw over the customer base like GW. We were told Wave 2 would be out July 2015 back before Wave 1 even came out, which was practically an obvious lie, and only now are we getting a vague "Q4 2015" promise date. Wave 6 Xwing was announced a year and 10 days ago, and that was supposed to come out Q4 of last year as well. We got that when? End of February?

What they SHOULDN'T DO is be so vague about why they're having problems. Yeah i know there's NDA's and such involved, and they cant go into exacting detail, but they can throw us a bone to keep us happy. I'm frankly tired of them setting a release date, when we all KNOW they're going to miss it by longshot.

Which would you prefer? Their current model of promising a release date, then repeatedly failing it miserably, OR giving us a vague window with updates every month or so, then BAM they hit us with the accurate date? Which approach would make you feel better about their ability to deliver product when they're so obviously having difficulties?

I've had people interested in Armada ask me about when the "real ships" come out (lol?) and when best i can tell them is "Wellllll they said July, but they've lied to us for solidly about a year now so maybe October?" That doesn't look good, and doesn't help me push this amazing game. If i could instead tell them that the factory exploded, or someone !@#$ the bed management wise, or the universe is conspiring against them, I can at least tell them that hopefully we'll see it by the end of the year and have some faith in that prediction. Right now I don't whatsoever.

Details are pretty scarce...

Details are scarce, because they could not talk about them. The major delay was caused by the Force Awakens stuff being put ahead of Armada and other stuff on the production line.

I'm sure FFG would of rather had Armada out sooner then this, but Disney said "TFA stuff by Sept 4th, and pray we do not alter the deal further." The problem is, they weren't and still aren't allowed to talk about it, until sept 4th.

As for the ISD II. 120 points is interesting, and I will take the time to point out I was right.

At 120, that means 3 ISD's with Motti (the cheapest commander so far Imp side) is 384, leaving 16 points for upgrades. I honestly can't see that being a real viable list. I could be wrong of course, but it seems to me 2 ISD's will be the most that most people would want.

I'm talking about the Wave 6 delays, on top of the shite quality of a fair portion of Wave 5 (Im looking at all those wonky bases. Literally everyone i know with a Decimator or Outrider has to slide it around or the base falls off.) I can't believe that EP7 merch caused those delays, because that would mean they did what? Didn't expand their factory production and tried to shoehorn everything into what they already had? Nah someone/something screwed the pooch over there, and FFG is being their usual close-mouthed self and not even giving us a half-assed explanation.

Their lack of constant community rapport is probably their biggest weakness imo, and its offset mostly by the fact that they don't actively try to screw over the customer base like GW. We were told Wave 2 would be out July 2015 back before Wave 1 even came out, which was practically an obvious lie, and only now are we getting a vague "Q4 2015" promise date. Wave 6 Xwing was announced a year and 10 days ago, and that was supposed to come out Q4 of last year as well. We got that when? End of February?

What they SHOULDN'T DO is be so vague about why they're having problems. Yeah i know there's NDA's and such involved, and they cant go into exacting detail, but they can throw us a bone to keep us happy. I'm frankly tired of them setting a release date, when we all KNOW they're going to miss it by longshot.

Which would you prefer? Their current model of promising a release date, then repeatedly failing it miserably, OR giving us a vague window with updates every month or so, then BAM they hit us with the accurate date? Which approach would make you feel better about their ability to deliver product when they're so obviously having difficulties?

I've had people interested in Armada ask me about when the "real ships" come out (lol?) and when best i can tell them is "Wellllll they said July, but they've lied to us for solidly about a year now so maybe October?" That doesn't look good, and doesn't help me push this amazing game. If i could instead tell them that the factory exploded, or someone !@#$ the bed management wise, or the universe is conspiring against them, I can at least tell them that hopefully we'll see it by the end of the year and have some faith in that prediction. Right now I don't whatsoever.

Well, of course it doesn't look good when you use the term "lie".

Oh my bad, didn't mean to call them out like that. Terribly rude of me.

Wave 6 was delayed in no small part due to the massive work slowdowns at the west coast ports that started last summer and didn't end till this year. It was not a strike as most people seem to think. Anyway this thread is way off topic now

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/12/news/economy/port-labor-dispute/

Um, having an arbitrator rule that you were engaged in an illegal strike pretty much makes it a strike.

Also pay attention to the Massing at Sullust article. They had to AIR FREIGHT this stuff in. That means they're having problems getting it across the ocean. The backlog caused by the semi-not-quite-but-really-friggin-close-to-one strike (over 4 months long!), on top of the fact that newer transport ships simply can't fit in freight ports, is still causing problems. FFG has never actually even confirmed/blamed this as the problem. They just make vague allusions to "unavoidable manufacturing delays".

On a Global Scale, FFG is small potatoes, and it makes sense that in the middle of a worldwide shipping problem, they'd get low priority. Instead of acknowledging that, and saying that air freighting would incur enormous cost increases, they just sit on their hands.

Christian Peterson said during in flight report something along the lines of "We wanted to have wave two available but it was delayed because of stuff I can't tell you about yet. "

Just because that's one thing he can't talk about doesn't make ot the only thing.

I have 2 confirmed kits getting ordered down here on the Gulf Coast U.S. If you feel like making a trip down to Pensacola for a chance at this event, hit me up. I'm trying to get 2 more kits at other stores. (I TO the Armada events in my area.)

Wait O.o who is this? I'm 90% sure I know you in real life.

Wellllllll everyone IRL calls me by the back half of my Username, so if you need anymore clues you might have the wrong person.

Also i now have 3 Kits in the pipe. Just waiting for the 8th to see if we get them all.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/12/news/economy/port-labor-dispute/

Um, having an arbitrator rule that you were engaged in an illegal strike pretty much makes it a strike.

Also pay attention to the Massing at Sullust article. They had to AIR FREIGHT this stuff in. That means they're having problems getting it across the ocean. The backlog caused by the semi-not-quite-but-really-friggin-close-to-one strike (over 4 months long!), on top of the fact that newer transport ships simply can't fit in freight ports, is still causing problems. FFG has never actually even confirmed/blamed this as the problem. They just make vague allusions to "unavoidable manufacturing delays".

On a Global Scale, FFG is small potatoes, and it makes sense that in the middle of a worldwide shipping problem, they'd get low priority. Instead of acknowledging that, and saying that air freighting would incur enormous cost increases, they just sit on their hands.

That they are air freighting items in for use in a pre-release does not indicate that they are having issues shipping items by sea. Especially not when they acknowledge production delays.

FFG often air freights pre-release items for Gencon, even when there weren't wide spread port delays. They do so because irregardless of possible port delays air freight is going to be quicker.

Essentially what FFG is doing is taking the first part of thier first production wave,pulling it aside and shopping it over for a pre-release event while the rest of the production wave is finished an shipped. They can have they product in hand to ship for the event before the rest of Wave 2 is even ready to be put on a boat for shipping.

Air is substantially faster and more expensive than sea. If you wanted to do a prerelease, and ensure it's not an actual release, you'd have to expedite the prerelease product.

True enough, but I smell damage control when Wave 2 is delayed at least half a year from its initially declared release date.

That being said, I am often wrong, so i will be pleasantly surprised if Wave 2 comes out in time for X-mas. I wont be expecting it though. Fool me once, twice, three times and i ahve only my self to blame for my disappointment.

Just take a look at their release schedule, it's a manic one.. sure they shouldn't be missing targets BUT would you prefer it if they stopped declaring targets at all?

Perhaps they should say nothing until within a month of release..

Please don't post speculation as fact. TIA.

It's not speculation. They made it quite clear what happened, but they can't go into any details at the moment.

Speed 3 on that bad boy? The ISD is faster than a Victory... Obviously thats great for me as an Imperial Admiral, but I also question it slightly. Should an ISD be faster than a ship half it's size?

Size has nothing to do with it! It's all about power to mass. Those big ol' engines must be pretty efficient to push that thing along at speed 3.

(The Assault frigate must have insanely powerful engines to move it as fast as it can go!)

As has been pointed out before, the VSD was an exceptionally slow ship for its class, according to SW lore. And the opening scene of Episode IV (the quintessential, awe-inspiring, ISD-defining moment) shows the Devastator keeping up with the Tantive IV. So nothing wrong with speed 3 as far as I'm concerned. Gameplay-wise it's also not a huge deal for a front arc attacker. I find the first click at speed 2 (letting it point that front arc at moving targets) is far more important.

The technology is supposed to be better, so I can understand the speed increase. My worry was that they would be pointed in such a way that it would make the Victory obsolete. That is clearly not the case. While that forward arc is nasty as all hell, it's only 2 more dice for 35 points compared to the Victory II. I think the Victory will still have a good role as a "lock down the flank" ship for a significant discount.

And for the love of God fantasy flight, GIVE ME SOME REBEL SPOILERS TOO!!!

Yeah speed three for a front arc monster isn't necessarily s good thing!

even with a maneuver token, she can make only a 90 degree turn..

And even with that 90 Degree turn, she's got a Sweepingly Fat Ass.

There is a lot of dumb information in this thread.

First of all, FFG NEVER EVER gives specific release dates. THEY ALWAYS give vague windows. 3 month windows to be exact.

Secondly, they have a great tool that tells you exactly where in the process a product is. Sure, there are some outliers on that list right now, but almost every product is in development/awaiting reprint, then it goes to print for 6-8 weeks. After that it is moved to on the boat, where it almost never stays for longer than 4-6 weeks. Finally, it ships to stores and is available in the US within 2 weeks of the status changing to shipping now.

You can quote me on this. Expect Wave 2 to jump from at the printer to on the boat before the end of September (probably closer to September 15), and expect it in your local gaming stores (in the US) by the end of October.

Thirdly, we have no idea why Armada Wave 2 was delayed so long. There is a rumor that it got pushed back on the manufacturing schedule due to Episode VII product, but this is not 100% confirmed. All we know is that it sat in the "in development" state on the upcoming page for a very long time, which would make sense if production was put on hold for other, higher priority products.

Fourthly, the length of time it takes to be released allows time to save up money for said release.

Please don't post speculation as fact. TIA.

It's not speculation. They made it quite clear what happened, but they can't go into any details at the moment.

If they can't tell you, then by definition you're speculating.

Yeah speed three for a front arc monster isn't necessarily s good thing!

even with a maneuver token, she can make only a 90 degree turn..

I don't have a tool with me but: I thought that each yaw was 22.5 Degrees, so with a Maneuver Command (Token won't normally apply unless you have the correct upgrade card) you manage to turn 67.5 Degrees. Thus taking 3 turns to effect a 180 turn, at speed 2+.

Either way, it will be interesting as you now have to consider to turn away from or into your opponents turns each having a different consequence. Option 3 is to block but at speed three Medium and Small ships may be able to avoid. Maybe, even with this Large ship blocking may be avoided?

Mid/Late October feels like a good time for the general release of wave 2. Can't wait so we can move past all this angst! Need moar ships!

I'm already drooling over a possible 1x Mon Cal, 2x AFIIb, 2x MC30 list led by Ackbar. Fear the broadsides!