Women are allowed to play X-wing folks.

Luke Skywalker is gay and he is allowed to play X-wing.

I just told my wife that she should get really good at X-wing and document her experience as a female in a male dominated hobby. She seemed interested in it from a sociological standpoint. Then I said you could answer the question, "Why don't more women participate in miniature gaming?" She immediately replied, "Because they have better things to do with their time and somebody has to watch the kids."

I have probably spent more time watching my kids than my wife has. Probably has more to do with work situation than anything else. I also wash dishes, do laundry, and vacuum. I actually enjoy vacuuming.

Well, that's just sick. Not that you do housework, that's great, who the hell likes vacuuming?!

I bought a robot to do that for my wife and I. I'm sure I'll continue to love the little bugger until the day it rises up and murders me.

Vacuuming and loading the dishwasher (i.e. getting the wife drunk, I kid, I kid...) lets me get out some of my OCD tendencies. I thought about getting a robot to vacuum, but I have concerns about how it would handle all the stuff my kids leave lying about (and that they get yelled at for). I don't want to spend $400 on something that will just break. How does yours work for you?

I don't have kids, I have dogs though that leave their toys about. (I also yell at them but I swear it's like they don't even speak English). There are some things to note. This doesn't entirely replace normal vacuuming, it just extends how long you can wait between. It does a fairly great job at maintaining a room if you run it every couple of days (I move mine from room to room each day, I have a fairly large house).

It really depends on the size of the toy. It would murder something the size of say x-wing mini's. But it would just push around something the size of the rebel transport. So it might hold up to your kids, can't say for sure

I schedule mine to run every day at noon while I'm at work and spend 5 minutes in the morning clearing stuff out of its way and moving the invisible walls to the right spots.

I love mine. I work it until its little robot knuckles bleed. Sometimes 2 or 3 runs a day (it goes for about an hour or until it feels it's done). It will revolt one day, probably when I buy it little robot friends that scrub my tile.

Thanks for the info. It may be a Christmas present for me.

You know what? Tomorrow I'm going to cook some bacon. Yep, some bacon, eggs, put some salsa on them eggs and finish it off with a cup of tea (can't drink coffee anymore). Yep, that's gonna be my breakfast.

You know what? Tomorrow I'm going to cook some bacon. Yep, some bacon, eggs, put some salsa on them eggs and finish it off with a cup of tea (can't drink coffee anymore). Yep, that's gonna be my breakfast.

Check your privilege.

Some of us have to flop our gooey selves around in a pool of maple syrup to consider it breakfast time.

political correctness is the autoimmune disease of societal constructs

to expand, PC being tripe doesn't mean actual misogyny is tripe, but a lot of supposed misogyny is simply stuff that triggers people with thin skins, whether they realise that or intentionally leverage it to play-act at victimhood

Well, it's not like this thread could get any worse.

I would have said that before your pointless rant about political correctness ON A MINIATURES FORUM.

There are terms I could be using instead of PC, but it does actually relate to the direction the topic was going.

It's precisely because it's a miniatures forum that this stuff oughtn't seep in.

I could make crepes waffles or pancakes though. I do enjoy those.

Well, it's not like this thread could get any worse.

and then someone has to throw in the GG hashtag.

and then someone has to throw in the GG hashtag.

Hey, I didn't bring it up.

Well, it's not like this thread could get any worse.

and then someone has to throw in the GG hashtag.

There are terms I could be using instead of PC, but it does actually relate to the direction the topic was going.

It's precisely because it's a miniatures forum that this stuff oughtn't seep in.

*shrug* sexism in gaming is a thing, I don't see how it's not relevant to the game. If you think it's an unsuitable topic you could always report it and ask for the mods to remove it. (or just not read the thread)

There are terms I could be using instead of PC, but it does actually relate to the direction the topic was going.

It's precisely because it's a miniatures forum that this stuff oughtn't seep in.

*shrug* sexism in gaming is a thing, I don't see how it's not relevant to the game. If you think it's an unsuitable topic you could always report it and ask for the mods to remove it. (or just not read the thread)

I agree that it's a thing, I just don't agree to the extent. There's a definite upswing lately of events that are only classified as sexism because someone decided to deliberately misinterpret them for personal gain, which is what I was sniping at (and I stand by my PC statement).

I pretty much mentally filed this thread as "well, that's not going to be funny" when I first saw it, but the OP didn't seem to be serious so it seemed more like an unfunny joke of a thread rather than anything malicious.

Humour is a tricky subject, yes, but unless you can specifically read intent for each joke (keeping in mind that humour has such categories as sarcasm, hyperbolic, etc that cannot be read for intent strictly from the text), is it really worth assuming that they were made with negative intent? Humour is subjective, it may not be funny to you (this thread hasn't been for me, I know that much), but that doesn't mean it was written as anything but humour, in which case I don't see why taking it as if it was malice helps anything.

(or just not read the thread)

Ghost hunters usually find ghosts. Even if no one else can see them.

My friends can never find food. But when I jump in the dumpster I find a smorgasbord. The fools don't consider the tops of pizza boxes to be food, but Bear Grills and I have made soup out of pee.

Morning update. I've had tea only so far.

*shrug* sexism in gaming is a thing, I don't see how it's not relevant to the game. If you think it's an unsuitable topic you could always report it and ask for the mods to remove it. (or just not read the thread)

I agree that it's a thing, I just don't agree to the extent. There's a definite upswing lately of events that are only classified as sexism because someone decided to deliberately misinterpret them for personal gain, which is what I was sniping at (and I stand by my PC statement).

Discussions around "political correctness", sexism in particular, often throw up issues around interpretation. One thing that I think is important to note: your reality is not my reality, and vice versa. That is; perception often matters more than intent.

I'm talking to a woman and make a statement. She replies, explaining that she feels my statement was sexist. I can either explain why I don't feel this is the case; why she's wrong, or why she shouldn't feel that way. Or, I can simply accept that "Okay - this person finds that statement offensive" regardless of what my opinion on that statement is. Her reality and experiences around statements like that one differ from my own.

Would it be politically correct to subtly change the way I'm communicating with her and other women? Perhaps. But it would also be a relatively small, simple gesture on my part - but with a big difference in how those around me perceive me.

I don't entirely disagree, the problem is re: deliberate offense-taking. It falls under the general category of trigger warnings, which have been awfully trivialised by people trying to leverage a serious concept for personal gain as opposed to having genuinely damaging reactions (see: PTSD).

Anyway, for practical purposes I do agree with your third paragraph, but we can't expect tolerance to work if it's a one-way street.

e: co-opting this thread with reasonable (I hope) discussion as opposed to untalented attempts at humour is a good thing?

Although our local scene in South Africa is small, there are usually 2-3 female players in a 16 player tournament. As mentioned earlier, it helps that X-Wing players have generally mastered the art of soap and shampoo. Those with beards tend to groom them at least.

I don't entirely disagree, the problem is re: deliberate offense-taking. It falls under the general category of trigger warnings, which have been awfully trivialised by people trying to leverage a serious concept for personal gain as opposed to having genuinely damaging reactions (see: PTSD).

Anyway, for practical purposes I do agree with your third paragraph, but we can't expect tolerance to work if it's a one-way street.

e: co-opting this thread with reasonable (I hope) discussion as opposed to untalented attempts at humour is a good thing?

I understand the point you're making. But, if possible, could you clarify what you perceive that "personal gain" to be? What would a woman (or man), for example, be gaining by explaining that they find something offensive?

Now that's a can of worms. I won't name any specific names here, but this is the general method:

• find something vaguely offensive
• miscontrue or outright falsify to amplify perceived offense
• complain loudly so as to get some sort of audience
• ???
• PatreonProfit!

I'm talking literal monetary profit here, and if people weren't half as thin-skinned as they seem to be at times this wouldn't be a thing, but every time an offense is claimed it has to be scrutinised carefully to make sure it's genuine because of this. Frankly, it does more harm than good due to making the actual offenses less obvious in the sea of tripe.

Sure. But incidents like those don't necessarily mean that there isn't a problem. In either case, I don't feel that the situation you are described is particularly endemic in the X-Wing community.

For the purposes of this topic's question, I will say that no, there are not many women who play X-Wing at tournaments. These could be for various reasons, but I suspect it goes back to "wargaming" in general not being an atmosphere or environment that feels welcoming.

There are plenty of real offences in this world. Cases of crying wolf are far outnumbered by people who suffer in silence. And I'm not talking about female workers who have to put up with male colleagues' dirty jokes. Ignorance and bigotry have caused so much suffering in this world, I don't believe in just letting it be the status quo. Get to know folks real well, you tend to find some bad **** in their life. Even white privileged males. So, I always have time for people's issues. Most times you just listen and nod. Sometimes you save someone's life.

Small price to pay for suffering the Rachel Dolezals of this world.

Frankly, it does more harm than good due to making the actual offenses less obvious in the sea of tripe.

Going to break my rule... But this is actually interesting.

I think I agree to a point anyway with Tipperary and with floof. If I say something that someone else finds offensive. I should at the minimum consider what I said, how I said it, ect... and look at it from the other persons PoV to see if there's something I can change.

But at the same time, we do have a culture that right now seems to like to look for reasons to be offended so we can go to our blogs, twitter and facebook to show the world how so-and-so is a racist/sexist/whateverist. Because for some people its seems that they need to be validated by showing how other people are out to get them.

The problem is, there isn't always something wrong with what I said or did, and the fact that someone else is offended by it, is quite frankly not my fault or my problem. Because what I said or did would not be taken as offensive by most people. I'm not talking about most people being men not seeing anything wrong with a sexist comment either...

For example the other day I saw a report about how Hillary Clinton was being racist. She was talking to a black man and she was leaning back and had her arms crossed, clearly trying to distance herself and in a defensive posture.

The thing is, I don't believe she was reacting like that due to his race, she was reacting like that because he was a man, likely a stranger, and was being quite aggressive in his speech and posture. He was leaning forward and using grand full arm sweeping gestures.

I think it's quite natural for a woman to react like that when a man especially one she doesn't know is acting like that. So what you were seeing was not racist, or even sexist it was just how IME most women would react in that situation.