I'm curious about something... Would there be any point in combining an old and new damage deck. I know it wouldn't be legal for tournament play, but for friendly games. Would it hurt to combine the decks together?

It might be confusing since there are a lot of crits that share a name but have different effects. You'd have to carefully read a card like Blinded Pilot every time you drew it to make sure you were applying it correctly.

I'm curious about something... Would there be any point in combining an old and new damage deck. I know it wouldn't be legal for tournament play, but for friendly games. Would it hurt to combine the decks together?

It might be confusing since there are a lot of crits that share a name but have different effects. You'd have to carefully read a card like Blinded Pilot every time you drew it to make sure you were applying it correctly.

So for casual play, if you wanted to join decks, it would be better to pick the cards you like as opposed to just shuffling them together, (or just play one or the other to keep it simple.)

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There was no logical reason to update it.

Actually there is, a number of good logical reasons to update it. The simple fact that a number of the crits simply didn't do anything depending on what type of ship you were flying is reason enough.

I have yet to be dealt a crit where I wasn't affected in some way. The standard damage deck is fine.

Some ways the new deck will be vastly superior.

They got rid of Thrust Control Fire, which in may cases isn't that big of a deal, but in some it's actually a good thing, and a Critical Damage should never make you happy.

They got rid of Munitions Failure, which often might as well be blank for all the effect it has.

They reworded Damage Sensor Array so it's more painful and clearer rules wise.

So all around the new damage deck is more fair to everyone who plays because it will be rare for someone to pull a crit and smile about it.

2 things, I am one of the gamers on a budget and yet have a sizeable fleet. How? I sold old hobbies to fund new ones and purchased slowly buying online and with sales. I don't get why people get bent that the new toy can't be had day one so it'll never be had. Patience my friends and a month of foregoing something unnecessary would easily gain you a couple ships or a large one (also unnecessary ergo the trade off)

Secondly, I wish they had gone the full monty with this core set and popped for acrylic templates. Yes it would be more money but I'd be way more stoked to get flashy stuff with something I don't need more of. They are still printing the original which would allow the current cardboard sku to have a home. Oh well I'll end up buying one at least because I definately want the new damage deck.

I have yet to be dealt a crit where I wasn't affected in some way.

I'm calling BS. Unless the only thing you run are ships with munitions on it. Which would make you quite possibly the only person who plays this game to do so.

You also must never fly Farlander or Fel, who are given a boost when hit with the stress crit.

So no, the standard deck is not fine.

There was no logical reason to update it.

Actually there is, a number of good logical reasons to update it. The simple fact that a number of the crits simply didn't do anything depending on what type of ship you were flying is reason enough.

I have yet to be dealt a crit where I wasn't affected in some way. The standard damage deck is fine.

You've never gotten Munitions Failure on a ship with no secondary weapons, Injured Pilot on a generic with no EPT, Weapons Malfunction on an Outrider, or Structural Damage on a Decimator?

1. Most* people want the new core set.

2. the damage deck was in want (not need) of some tweaking.

3. Many people will buy multiple new core sets. (thus making damage decks easy to obtain if you know one such person)

I know many people in my area (myself included) that will be buying multiple new core sets. I encourage those that are buying a few new core sets to offer their extra decks to someone in need or to the T.O of your local tournament for a loaner.

I don't really want to buy a new Core Set, because I hate buying sets that contain ships I don't want(and have no interest in owning an X-Wing).

Whether I bought one WAS going to depend on whether the Expansion Pack had different pilots or not. But if the Deck is a new requirement, then I don't really have a choice.

FFG has never done anything like this in the history of this game. I don't see them starting now. The new deck will be optional or will come with the cards it needs to make a standard tournament legal damage deck. There are only a few cards that are different and I noticed they are numbered now. Why? One reason could be to easily replace EP VII cards with the standard damage cards when playing in organized games.

I don't really want to buy a new Core Set, because I hate buying sets that contain ships I don't want(and have no interest in owning an X-Wing).

Whether I bought one WAS going to depend on whether the Expansion Pack had different pilots or not. But if the Deck is a new requirement, then I don't really have a choice.

FFG has never done anything like this in the history of this game. I don't see them starting now. The new deck will be optional or will come with the cards it needs to make a standard tournament legal damage deck. There are only a few cards that are different and I noticed they are numbered now. Why? One reason could be to easily replace EP VII cards with the standard damage cards when playing in organized games.

It looks like there are 7 damage cards that are different and 7 that are the same. Direct Hit! is one of the cards that stays the same. Just under half the deck has changed.

In the near term, I imagine the tournament rules will permit players to bring either deck.

I don't really want to buy a new Core Set, because I hate buying sets that contain ships I don't want(and have no interest in owning an X-Wing).

Whether I bought one WAS going to depend on whether the Expansion Pack had different pilots or not. But if the Deck is a new requirement, then I don't really have a choice.

FFG has never done anything like this in the history of this game. I don't see them starting now. The new deck will be optional or will come with the cards it needs to make a standard tournament legal damage deck. There are only a few cards that are different and I noticed they are numbered now. Why? One reason could be to easily replace EP VII cards with the standard damage cards when playing in organized games.

Would it be good or bad if FFG implements a system where you and your opponent exchange damage decks? So you're not picking a damage deck for yourself, but instead picking what your opponent gets to play with. It'll be your call if you want to hand a TIE Swarm an Injured Pilot/Munitions Failure deck.

I honestly don't see what the big deal is.

First off we have to assume that both this deck will replace the existing one completely and the only way to get it is via the new core set.

Even if that were true, it still only effects people who play in official sanctioned tournaments like Store Championships or the prerelease events.

It would also only bother people who are not interested in the two new ships.

So the list of people who may be effected are Sanctioned Tournament players who only play S&V. That's a fairly small group I'd guess.

Also either Alex and/or Frank said that the existing damage deck needed some updating but that the logistics involved prevented them from doing so. That makes a new core that will appeal to a large % of the playerbase (how many people really don't want new and improved X-Wings and Tie Fighters?) the natural place to deal with this issue.

Oh and it is in fact an issue for those of us who play in the competitive tournament scene. I don't think anyone who doesn't get why the current deck needs fixing is likely to be in a spot where they will actually need one.

Here's my big fear. This goes on sale star wars day, no one can get thier hands on it, and ffg makes it mandatory for worlds. Now half the field can't compete thanks to ffgs well documented supply issues, but we've already booked hotels and taken vacation days.

Do you think the original core set will get an updated damage deck?

Here's my big fear. This goes on sale star wars day, no one can get thier hands on it, and ffg makes it mandatory for worlds. Now half the field can't compete thanks to ffgs well documented supply issues, but we've already booked hotels and taken vacation days.

I do think the change to the deck is an improvement, now no one is penalised by losing access to cards they paid for.

Here's my big fear. This goes on sale star wars day, no one can get thier hands on it, and ffg makes it mandatory for worlds. Now half the field can't compete thanks to ffgs well documented supply issues, but we've already booked hotels and taken vacation days.

They'd see players dissatisfaction and backtrack like the have with game mats and using different factions dials for scum.

Because, OP. Some men fear change.

And those men are left behind for history to swallow.

Some men don't need more tie fighters a third set of movement templates and all the tokens they already had hundreds of.

Some men don't like spending money to throw 90% of what the bought in the bin.

Because some men are sane and reasonable.

This really feels like a non-event the people are blowing out of proportion without having the facts…

Because, OP. Some men fear change.

And those men are left behind for history to swallow.

Some men don't need more tie fighters a third set of movement templates and all the tokens they already had hundreds of.

Some men don't like spending money to throw 90% of what the bought in the bin.

Because some men are sane and reasonable.

yeah, I guess that as the starter kits are cheaper than buying 3 models (assuming you buy competitively and not just from B&M) getting a new core set doesn't seem like a big deal at all and I imagine many/most people will buy 2 of them (many of those will pout loudly and visibly in this forum even though they will do the same thing).

This really feels like a non-event the people are blowing out of proportion without having the facts…

Well it's alot more work blowing things out of proportion with facts

The cores are great value if your just starting, they are great value if you want the new ships but they are terrible value if all you want is a small stack of damage cards.

If you can still use the old deck it's a none issue but if it ever becomes the case that you must use the new one then to stay current you're down £30 you could of spent on ships you actually do want and that is an issue.

Is there anyone out there who plays competitively that doesn't buy everything?

Who cares, don't see the big deal about the dmg deck

Everyone is assuming the new damage deck will be the only one legal even though the rules say if you have both use the new one. Until we hear something official likely next Thursday during the big reveal we don't know that. I expect both will be legal for a while.

Everyone is assuming the new damage deck will be the only one legal even though the rules say if you have both use the new one.

Which means anyone running a squadron where the old deck is less threatening to them will just claim to not own the new deck in any tournament setting. Since they can't prove whether you own Core Set 2 or not.

They'll make one deck or the other required for competitive play.

Everyone is assuming the new damage deck will be the only one legal even though the rules say if you have both use the new one.

Which means anyone running a squadron where the old deck is less threatening to them will just claim to not own the new deck in any tournament setting. Since they can't prove whether you own Core Set 2 or not.

They'll make one deck of the other required for competitive play.

Eventually yes. Right away, I doubt it. Heck they might just leave it at the old one until next years competitive season starts.

Everyone is assuming the new damage deck will be the only one legal even though the rules say if you have both use the new one. Until we hear something official likely next Thursday during the big reveal we don't know that. I expect both will be legal for a while.

I find it hard to believe that if someone plays competitively, they won't buy the new core set anyway.

Do you think the original core set will get an updated damage deck?

It would be better if they sold the damage deck separately so those that have the 1st edition can continue to play.

I"m really not a fan of having to buy a new starter to get a new deck.....if FantastFlight can't come up with a stand alone product for those of us who don't want to drop $50 or more for bits of cardboard than I suppose I won't be a tourney player.

I don't play Magic for the same reason, once I found a list that I liked, I by and large stopped buying x wing stuff. Forcing me to buy more makes me grumpy.