Like I've mentioned in another thread. Buying a new Core Set isn't a big deal to those of us who are already buying several of every model but it will affect those who are playing on a more limited budget but still want to play competitively within their local gaming groups.

I'm more than happy to loan out models and cards to people if they need to borrow them but unless I buy two or more of the new Core Sets I'm not going to be able to help out by lending a new Damage Deck to someone meaning that they're not going to be able to enter tournaments.

Sorry, but if you live on a limited budget, you do not start to play miniature games.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd like the X-Wing player base to be as large as possible for purely selfish reasons if nothing else so there are more people to play against.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd like the X-Wing player base to be as large as possible for purely selfish reasons if nothing else so there are more people to play against.

Then offer to let other people use your stuff?

The simple fact is that Miniature games is a luxury item, and not something someone should get into unless they have expendable cash.

That said, X-Wing is one of the cheapest games out there. Malifaux and Deadmans Hand are around the same price point. To get a competitive list for X-Wing costs around $100 which really isn't that bad, it won't be super competitive but you could do well in a Store Championship for that much.

But not everyone is going to have $100 to spare, and there's nothing wrong with that. I also shouldn't feel guilty because I do.

Not to change the thread too much but it would have been cool if one of the criticals was Ionized Ship - Receive one ion token and then flip this card facedown.

I suspect that there are new damage cards and they are NOT for tournament play. As in, the same 33 damage cards come with the new Core and then a few new cards. I notice from leaked pictures that the damage cards are now numbered #/33

That's not the case. The new damage deck has 33 cards, some old cards are missing, some new cards have been added, and many cards kept the same name but have had their effect modified.

I'm sure a new FAQ will drop with the release of the new core. If the reprinted versions of the original core start coming with the updated rulebook and damage deck I suspect they will phase out the old damage deck over time. If they keep shipping with the original deck either deck will probably be permitted.

However, FFG is requiring that Imperial Assault players have certain expansions to be eligible to participate in official tournaments. So far it only seems to be one of the cheap character packs but it is foreseeable that they could require one of the more expensive boxed expansions.

However, FFG is requiring that Imperial Assault players have certain expansions to be eligible to participate in official tournaments. So far it only seems to be one of the cheap character packs but it is foreseeable that they could require one of the more expensive boxed expansions.

Why?

What happens when there's a tournament, but the store where I buy my x wing stuff at is sold out (or hasn't received) any new core sets yet? Am I out of luck and can't play? That's my biggest problem, and my second biggest is I'm not sure I want the whole core set when I only care about one of the new pilots.

Like I've mentioned in another thread. Buying a new Core Set isn't a big deal to those of us who are already buying several of every model but it will affect those who are playing on a more limited budget but still want to play competitively within their local gaming groups.

I'm more than happy to loan out models and cards to people if they need to borrow them but unless I buy two or more of the new Core Sets I'm not going to be able to help out by lending a new Damage Deck to someone meaning that they're not going to be able to enter tournaments.

Sorry, but if you live on a limited budget, you do not start to play miniature games.

Who are you to say what people can do with their free time, and their "hobbies and interests" budget?

The REASON so many people love X-Wing is because it's a fairly simple and cheap way to be able to play a miniature game. That's what's so attractive about it to people like me and hundreds of others - because we can play it despite not having unlimited cash. Way too many of you on these forums are just wildy overgeneralizing and assuming that everyone has the cash to throw around and buy whatever they choose. Some of us budget just enough money to enjoy this hobby while trying to maintain a competitive collection. The fact that we will potentially have to spend $30+ for a new damage deck, regardless of how we feel about the rest of the new content, is an ethically unsound move by FFG, if it were to come to that.

Who are you to say what people can do with their free time, and their "hobbies and interests" budget?

Some of us budget just enough money to enjoy this hobby while trying to maintain a competitive collection.

Sounds like a personal problem then.

I am really conflicted about this. I haven't bought a second core yet. I really want one though. But now I want a new one as well now that I know the ships will work with what I've got. I have some serious deciding to do. I'm not sure if I should buy both or just get more TIE and X wing expansions.

However, FFG is requiring that Imperial Assault players have certain expansions to be eligible to participate in official tournaments. So far it only seems to be one of the cheap character packs but it is foreseeable that they could require one of the more expensive boxed expansions.

Why?

The tournament rules include a list of currently legal maps and missions. They also stipulate that all players must bring mission cards and map tiles for everything on that list. One of the currently legal maps and associated missions comes in the IG-88 expansion. Even if you don't use anything from that expansion to build your squad, you still need the mission cards from it.

If FFG rotates the legal mission list to include a map that uses the mission cards and map tiles from their boxed expansions, everyone will be required to have that expansion in order to play at official tournaments.

is an ethically unsound move by FFG, if it were to come to that.

Selling a product and expecting people to buy if they wish to take part in sanctioned events is not and frankly can not ever be a matter of ethics.

First off, we're talking about a luxury item here, not food or shelter.

Second, even if they do in fact require the new damage deck and if the only option is the new core set, you still are able to take part in non-sanctioned events that would support the original deck. It's also not like you can't play friendly games at the LGS with the old deck either.

Also please note the number of if's in there. There's far to much we don't know yet to come to any sort of conclusion.

But frankly, anyone in this hobby needs to expect that they will have to be able to spend a chunk of money every so often if they wish to take part in competitive, sanctioned events.

I am really conflicted about this. I haven't bought a second core yet. I really want one though. But now I want a new one as well now that I know the ships will work with what I've got. I have some serious deciding to do. I'm not sure if I should buy both or just get more TIE and X wing expansions.

I'd buy one of each of the cores unless you want to run a big TIE swarm. You'll have as many X-Wings as you'll probably ever want with the X-Wing in the original core, the one in the X-Wing expansion, and the one in the Rebel Transport.

The old core set, new core set, and a TIE fighter expansion will give you a much better 5 ship Imperial squad than you would have with just 2 of the old cores and a TIE fighter expansion. Likewise a Rebel list consisting of the ships from the two cores and an X-Wing expansion is going to be better as well.

I dunno, because I'm morally and intrinsically opposed to buying TFA stuff until and unless I actually like the movie?

But totally cool with the idea of buying prequel ships even though the films are all ****?

The ship designs meet a quality standard that nothing shown from TFA has yet to. They're a known quantity.

And you can see ship designs and full spoilers on the entire new core.

Like I've mentioned in another thread. Buying a new Core Set isn't a big deal to those of us who are already buying several of every model but it will affect those who are playing on a more limited budget but still want to play competitively within their local gaming groups.

I'm more than happy to loan out models and cards to people if they need to borrow them but unless I buy two or more of the new Core Sets I'm not going to be able to help out by lending a new Damage Deck to someone meaning that they're not going to be able to enter tournaments.

Sorry, but if you live on a limited budget, you do not start to play miniature games.

Who are you to say what people can do with their free time, and their "hobbies and interests" budget?

Some of us budget just enough money to enjoy this hobby while trying to maintain a competitive collection.

Sounds like a personal problem then.

I find the above posts nothing short of obnoxious. What on earth makes you think it's OK to have the elitist attitude that anyone not in the fortunate financial position to buy whatever new product lines that come out for a game a) shouldn't be playing miniatures games or b) has "personal" problems if they can't or are unhappy to replace currently owned stuff?

In regards to the damage deck specifically I can totally understand people who would rather not have to buy a new core set just to keep their current collections tournament legal if they have no desire to own/run the new ships and don't need additional tokens/templates. I know plenty of really good players (many of whom have repeatedly won/made the cut at tournaments) who don't play on an open-ended bank balance, should they stop playing?

You know what? I love coming across people in their $100k+ Porsche's/Ferrari's etc and blowing them into the weeds on my $10k bikes... Money does not maketh the man...

I don't really want to buy a new Core Set, because I hate buying sets that contain ships I don't want(and have no interest in owning an X-Wing).

Whether I bought one WAS going to depend on whether the Expansion Pack had different pilots or not. But if the Deck is a new requirement, then I don't really have a choice.

Like I've mentioned in another thread. Buying a new Core Set isn't a big deal to those of us who are already buying several of every model but it will affect those who are playing on a more limited budget but still want to play competitively within their local gaming groups.

I'm more than happy to loan out models and cards to people if they need to borrow them but unless I buy two or more of the new Core Sets I'm not going to be able to help out by lending a new Damage Deck to someone meaning that they're not going to be able to enter tournaments.

Sorry, but if you live on a limited budget, you do not start to play miniature games.

Who are you to say what people can do with their free time, and their "hobbies and interests" budget?

Some of us budget just enough money to enjoy this hobby while trying to maintain a competitive collection.

Sounds like a personal problem then.

I find the above posts nothing short of obnoxious. What on earth makes you think it's OK to have the elitist attitude that anyone not in the fortunate financial position to buy whatever new product lines that come out for a game a) shouldn't be playing miniatures games or b) has "personal" problems if they can't or are unhappy to replace currently owned stuff?

In regards to the damage deck specifically I can totally understand people who would rather not have to buy a new core set just to keep their current collections tournament legal if they have no desire to own/run the new ships and don't need additional tokens/templates. I know plenty of really good players (many of whom have repeatedly won/made the cut at tournaments) who don't play on an open-ended bank balance, should they stop playing?

You know what? I love coming across people in their $100k+ Porsche's/Ferrari's etc and blowing them into the weeds on my $10k bikes... Money does not maketh the man...

Welcome to the FFG X-Wing forums, it's full of sad little men without the social skills or common decency of the average world, who have to flaunt their ability to buy more plastic toys than you in order to feel mighty.

Seriously though, what an absolutely sh*tty thing to say.

Welcome to the FFG X-Wing forums, it's full of sad little men without the social skills or common decency of the average world, who have to flaunt their ability to buy more plastic toys than you in order to feel mighty.

Whaaaaat? You mean the users on an internet message board for a tabletop miniatures game based on a science fiction series aren't shining beacons of charisma and popularity?! I don't believe you!

What % of the total player base ever plays in tournaments?

Is that even knowable?

I expect its a low number. Less than 10%.

Anyone who wants to sell me their new core set minis/cards/tokens/stands so they can just have the rules damage deck etc, LMK.

I rather enjoy painting these and always looking for more.

Why I'd dislike having to buy a new core set IF the new damage deck becomes mandatory for tournament play and it's not available separately:

- I'm a pure Scum player. I own every Scum ship at least twice (except for a single StarViper) but I own the grand total of 2 Rebel (an X-wing and an E-wing) and 0 Imperial ships, and I have 0 interest in branching into a 2nd faction (especially with all the Scum goodies coming in Wave 7 and 8)

- I own two-sets of movement templates (one cardboard and one custom made wooden one)

- I own 6 dice

- I own more tokens I will ever need.

So FFG would effectively be selling me a Damage Deck and some asteroids for the price of a full core set and some storage space (since I'd need to deposit the ships, dials, cards and templates and dice I'll never use somewhere).

That being said, it's not a fortune, and I'm probably a minority among the x-wing players for sticking with a single faction.

One of the staff at my FLGS has repeated to me that the damage deck will be sold separately. Either he has access to only the same rumours we have, or he is basing that on something more official. Take it with a grain of salt, but given FFG's track record to date, it wouldn't surprise me if they did sell it separately.

That, or perhaps they'll make it available online for people to download and cut out. (Art and craft project, anyone?)

A) My damage deck already has enough hate/rage/dark side points built into it, I don't need a new one that hates me just as bad.

B) I'm more hyped for Wave 7/Wave 8 than a new core. New X-wings look good, but, I don't really want to buy a new core set.

C) As stated before by other people, I don't need new dice/templates.

D) The old damage deck is fine. There was no logical reason to update it. This new one look's a bit more like the Wings of War damage deck, not as polished with dealing critical damage. The only thing it seems was carried over was the 7 direct hits.

Honestly I could see it being an optional thing. You either use one or the other, but you must declare which one your using at registration and you must use the same deck for the entire duration of the tournament.

There was no logical reason to update it.

Actually there is, a number of good logical reasons to update it. The simple fact that a number of the crits simply didn't do anything depending on what type of ship you were flying is reason enough.

I'm curious about something... Would there be any point in combining an old and new damage deck. I know it wouldn't be legal for tournament play, but for friendly games. Would it hurt to combine the decks together?

D) The old damage deck is fine. There was no logical reason to update it. This new one look's a bit more like the Wings of War damage deck, not as polished with dealing critical damage. The only thing it seems was carried over was the 7 direct hits.

The new deck is huge improvement. Crits will stop being a total lottery like they were before. You either got something meaningless or something crippling, there was little middle ground. The crits that were reworded closed loopholes and got rid of weird corner cases.