If Episode 7 sucks, I don't see the popularity of X-Wing going DOWN. Because it wasn't about Ep. 7 to begin with. It'll just stay at the level it was before.

I do see it's popularity going up if Ep. 7 is awesome though.

The movie will suck for some, others will find it ok, others will like it, then there will be some who love it.

I didn't think the prequels warrant as much hate as some seem to give it. Yeah, it had it's ridiculous moments, but come on, it was Star Wars. When I think of the prequels, I don't linger on Jar Jar or a kid piloting a starfighter with no experience. I think about Palpatine's plot to become emporer, Yoda's awesome sayings and moments, and other cool stuff it did show.

It's a fictional universe. Let it be to you what you want it to be. I say just be happy it's not completely dead. Things could always be worse.

I think a lot of people didn't read the whole title of the thread!

Both of his trek films were abominations that disrespected star trek and its core principles, and I have gone into great depth about how many fails that film makes on these forums.

But you like the prequels so clearly have no ability to tell a good film from a bad one.

Funny those new films are the only thing since Star Trek 4 that I found remotely entertaining or interesting. Sure the stories aren't great and there's some plot holes (but JJ didn't write it), and the lens flare is insane, but overall the characters shine, it's fun and entertaining. Ever since TNG came out Star Trek has be plagued with mostly terrible actors, charmless characters, dull stories, and has alienated all but the hardcore fans of the franchise.

As for star war 7, it has Lawrence Kasden writing it, the guy who wrote the best of the original moves and who took Lucas' one dimensional characters and gave them actual depth. There's no way Episode VII can be as bad as the prequels, or any of those horrible 1989-2002 Star Trek films.

Radarman5, you and I must be kindred spirits. Ha.

My own personal canon is that Star Trek IV was the final time we ever see the original crew, as Star Treks V and VI were campy and terrible.

And TNG, VOY, and ENT were all the same boring "let's all be polite coworkers, but never friends" hit-the-reset-button every episode nonsense. Just serious geek stuff. Tachyon particles. Data worship. Borg overkill.

That said, I discovered the absolute awesomeness that is DS9 (after having given up on the series after the second season all those years ago) around 2004 when my younger brother assured me it was different.

Well, I'll be damned! Actual friendships! Fantastic dialogue. Serialized storytelling. A huge threat that wasn't the Borg. Political machinations. Tons of well-defined Klingons. And what amounted to "World War II in space." Anyway, great, great show. DS9 is now one of my all-time favorite sci-fi series.

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As to the possibility of The Force Awakens sucking? Well, it's certainly possible.

I absolutely LOVED Lost. Cloverfield was great. And I thought Star Trek '09 was pretty **** fun. (Into Darkness, however, should have been based on an original idea.) But Super 8 was pretty poor, Fringe was a pathetic and aimless X-Files clone, and some of those later MI movies were just "more of the same."

Right now, I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, Han, Chewie, and the Falcon? On screen again? Please be good...

Funny thing is, when I went to see TPM, I went int the cinema thinking "A new Star Wars film! how cool is that? This is going to be fun!" and I left thinking...pretty much the same thing: "This was fun!" It's only later that internet dudes, each trying to be more witty than the next while repeating the previous, made it a 'fact' that the film 'sucked'.

Just enjoy yourself. It'll be good enough for a nice evening of plain blockbuster movie fun. The whole Jar Jar Binks complaining went stale more than a decade ago.

The whole Jar Jar Binks complaining went stale more than a decade ago.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Jar Jar - being both CGI and painfully unfunny - was just one small part of what made The Phantom Menace a disappointment.

And I can't believe I'm saying this... But Jar Jar has some pretty good moments in the Filoni-helmed Clone Wars series. Yes, I'm serious.

The day they make Jar Jar Binks a pilot or crew member is the day I stop playing.

FFG wouldn't go that low, and I doubt even Disney would force them on that issue.

Only if he is Empire Only so I can introduce him to Moff Jerjerrod.

Even my kids thought he was stupid.

Even though Episodes 1-3 weren't as good as the OT, mostly because Vader was spoiled, they were still hugely entertaining. Binks, needed as a Dupe to recommend emergency powers for Palpatine, was awful, granted. As long as Ep 7 is not as bad Aliens 3 or Resurrection we'll be alright. As far as the game goes it's strong enough to survive an E7 so bad that they cancel the remaining two sequels.

I'll disagree with you on Alien 3 and the first half of Resurrection. I thought part-Alien badass Ripley was a good twist on the character.

The Xenomorph is still the most terrifying movie monster ever.

Even though Episodes 1-3 weren't as good as the OT, mostly because Vader was spoiled, they were still hugely entertaining. Binks, needed as a Dupe to recommend emergency powers for Palpatine, was awful, granted. As long as Ep 7 is not as bad Aliens 3 or Resurrection we'll be alright. As far as the game goes it's strong enough to survive an E7 so bad that they cancel the remaining two sequels.

I'll disagree with you on Alien 3 and the first half of Resurrection. I thought part-Alien badass Ripley was a good twist on the character.

The Xenomorph is still the most terrifying movie monster ever.

About the Xenomorph I agree 100%.

With the most recent spoilers I've seen matching a lot of what has been released in the trailers and concept art, I have faith that this will be a fantastic movie.

As someone who saw all the OT and Prequels in the theater (also all the Star Trek movies.), the worry in a his thread is silly.

These are movies people, which means everyone will have different opinions. Were the prequels as good as the OT? No, and we were silly for thinking they would be. We have turned the OT's into gods in our minds because of the influence it had on our childhood. Now that your a Jaded adult anything that tries to touch that Old God is going to seem awful some how because it won't touch you idea of how it should effect you.

Do you know what made the Prequels not great, Jar Jar and that actor who should not be named playing Anakin. Otherwise they are good movies.

Do you know how to tell if the Movie is good? Look at the kid's response, that's what happened with the OT's.

As someone who saw all the OT and Prequels in the theater (also all the Star Trek movies.), the worry in a his thread is silly.

These are movies people, which means everyone will have different opinions. Were the prequels as good as the OT? No, and we were silly for thinking they would be. We have turned the OT's into gods in our minds because of the influence it had on our childhood. Now that your a Jaded adult anything that tries to touch that Old God is going to seem awful some how because it won't touch you idea of how it should effect you.

Do you know what made the Prequels not great, Jar Jar and that actor who should not be named playing Anakin.

Do you know how to tell if the Movie is good? Look at the kid's response, that's what happened with the OT's.

This is true, prequel hate is basically nonexistent in anyone under the age of twenty and whether you want to admit it or not the prequels were the primary force that jumpstarted the EU.

As someone who saw all the OT and Prequels in the theater (also all the Star Trek movies.), the worry in a his thread is silly.

These are movies people, which means everyone will have different opinions. Were the prequels as good as the OT? No, and we were silly for thinking they would be. We have turned the OT's into gods in our minds because of the influence it had on our childhood. Now that your a Jaded adult anything that tries to touch that Old God is going to seem awful some how because it won't touch you idea of how it should effect you.

Do you know what made the Prequels not great, Jar Jar and that actor who should not be named playing Anakin.

Do you know how to tell if the Movie is good? Look at the kid's response, that's what happened with the OT's.

This is true, prequel hate is basically nonexistent in anyone under the age of twenty and whether you want to admit it or not the prequels were the primary force that jumpstarted the EU.

Disagree completely. Heir to the Empire by Zahn kicked off the literary side of the EU (yes, there were books before that, but this one set the tone). That was in 1991.

A couple years later we had the LucasArts X-Wing/TIE Fighter games, which brought a whole bunch of new ships and fighters into the universe.

I remember being rather miffed that the prequels took a different angle on the Clone Wars than was hinted at in Zahn (who implied that the Clone Wars was Republic vs. out-of-control clone masters). Probably would have made better movies than Lucas did...

The day they make Jar Jar Binks a pilot or crew member is the day I stop playing.

If they would bring him into the game, I think he should be a more obnoxious version of C3PO. The picture for the upgrade should be Jar Jar giving us the 'bird' (for all the hate by the fans). This forum would go 'nuclear', and somewhere George Lucas would be laughing.

The new movie would have to be pretty bad to hurt the X wing mini game. The movie is set to dominate this holiday season, and there is slim chance it could be any more ugly to watch than the prequels. Even if its the worst Star Wars movie out of the 7, it will still do alright. If anything more people will hear about this game, or take a second look at it in stores.

I find it utterly impossible that Disney will fork over huge amounts of cash to buy Star Wars and make a bad movie. They will never kill the new sacred cow. The prequels were as bad as they were due to Lucas. He's not involved anymore. He's out of the picture. I think Lucas is about the only thing that could mess up a Star Wars movie. Did you hear how Disney is opening new theme park areas dedicated to Star Wars? How many more movies? Do you really think they will hurl so much money at Star Wars to let it fail? How much time and effort do you think Disney did to analyze the prequels to figure out where it went wrong?

Ep 7 would only have to be an "ok" movie to be a blockbuster and revive the franchise to new heights. It would just need to not suck to be a huge success.

Has Disney ever taken an existing success and destroyed it? Let's look at the Marvel franchise. Is it destroyed? Oh, no. It's making huge amounts of profits and everyone loves it. OK. What else is there? Well, the did make the "Pirates of the Caribbean" series. The 4th sucked, but the first three were good. I'm trying to think of something that took and ruined. I'm having a hard time with it.

Lets face it. X-wing miniatures is a game based upon the Star Wars Franchise, as Qui Gon Jin said they are symbiotically linked, so what ever happens to star wars will happen to X-wing as well. So we all know that the future of Star Wars is Episode 7 (and the inevitable 2 more episodes to follow), so the future of X-wing Miniatures is (and sources seem to confirm) is Episode 7.

That being said, if hypothetically speaking Episode 7 becomes just as awful as the prequel trilogy. How do you think that will effect FFG's product and licenses with X-wing miniatures? Will people refuse to buy anything post Wave 8 and just stick to the classic set (like many Warhammer Fantasy players still playing 9th edition fantasy)? Will players sell their collection and quit the game all together?

What would your thought be on this? Now again this is only hypothetically speaking if the upcoming movie was as terrible as episode 1-3. Not saying that those upcoming movies will be good or bad, so leave those posts in another thread (one in the off-topic forum).

It might effect some sales, but we have already seen enough cool ep 7 ships that the first wave should do really well. I just wish they would stop using unused concept art for new materiel, their is a reason "WHY" GL didn't find the concept art acceptable and never used them in his films. The new X-Wing barely makes it into the cool category.

Lets face it. X-wing miniatures is a game based upon the Star Wars Franchise, as Qui Gon Jin said they are symbiotically linked, so what ever happens to star wars will happen to X-wing as well. So we all know that the future of Star Wars is Episode 7 (and the inevitable 2 more episodes to follow), so the future of X-wing Miniatures is (and sources seem to confirm) is Episode 7.

That being said, if hypothetically speaking Episode 7 becomes just as awful as the prequel trilogy. How do you think that will effect FFG's product and licenses with X-wing miniatures? Will people refuse to buy anything post Wave 8 and just stick to the classic set (like many Warhammer Fantasy players still playing 9th edition fantasy)? Will players sell their collection and quit the game all together?

What would your thought be on this? Now again this is only hypothetically speaking if the upcoming movie was as terrible as episode 1-3. Not saying that those upcoming movies will be good or bad, so leave those posts in another thread (one in the off-topic forum).

If the merchandising of the prequels is any kind of evidence, then Ep 7's "quality" won't matter one bit.

I'm not terribly interested in Ep7. I think it's going to be a typical modern action movie, with lots of drawn out action sequences and a pretty forgettable story. And it will sell toys and be forgotten in a year. And Star Wars, the Franchise, will continue on.

As someone who saw all the OT and Prequels in the theater (also all the Star Trek movies.), the worry in a his thread is silly.

These are movies people, which means everyone will have different opinions. Were the prequels as good as the OT? No, and we were silly for thinking they would be. We have turned the OT's into gods in our minds because of the influence it had on our childhood. Now that your a Jaded adult anything that tries to touch that Old God is going to seem awful some how because it won't touch you idea of how it should effect you.

Do you know what made the Prequels not great, Jar Jar and that actor who should not be named playing Anakin.

Do you know how to tell if the Movie is good? Look at the kid's response, that's what happened with the OT's.

This is true, prequel hate is basically nonexistent in anyone under the age of twenty and whether you want to admit it or not the prequels were the primary force that jumpstarted the EU.

Disagree completely. Heir to the Empire by Zahn kicked off the literary side of the EU (yes, there were books before that, but this one set the tone). That was in 1991.

A couple years later we had the LucasArts X-Wing/TIE Fighter games, which brought a whole bunch of new ships and fighters into the universe.

I remember being rather miffed that the prequels took a different angle on the Clone Wars than was hinted at in Zahn (who implied that the Clone Wars was Republic vs. out-of-control clone masters). Probably would have made better movies than Lucas did...

I second that opinion. The prequels jumpstarted the pre-republic eu. But the EU was alive and well long before episode I.

The day they make Jar Jar Binks a pilot or crew member is the day I stop playing.

FFG wouldn't go that low, and I doubt even Disney would force them on that issue.

Only if he is Empire Only so I can introduce him to Moff Jerjerrod.

Even my kids thought he was stupid.

You're really trying to assert that. Into Darkness I'll give you. '09? Hell no. That was fantastic.

'09 Trek was a bunch of kids running down a hallway yelling at each other. Spock beating people up, Kirk flapping his fat hands around, and a creepy ewok monster.

**** was bizarre. I still can't tell if it was a big troll on Trek fans or not.

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I find it utterly impossible that Disney will fork over huge amounts of cash to buy Star Wars and make a bad movie. They will never kill the new sacred cow. The prequels were as bad as they were due to Lucas. He's not involved anymore. He's out of the picture. I think Lucas is about the only thing that could mess up a Star Wars movie. Did you hear how Disney is opening new theme park areas dedicated to Star Wars? How many more movies? Do you really think they will hurl so much money at Star Wars to let it fail? How much time and effort do you think Disney did to analyze the prequels to figure out where it went wrong?

Ep 7 would only have to be an "ok" movie to be a blockbuster and revive the franchise to new heights. It would just need to not suck to be a huge success.

Has Disney ever taken an existing success and destroyed it? Let's look at the Marvel franchise. Is it destroyed? Oh, no. It's making huge amounts of profits and everyone loves it. OK. What else is there? Well, the did make the "Pirates of the Caribbean" series. The 4th sucked, but the first three were good. I'm trying to think of something that took and ruined. I'm having a hard time with it.

Ep 7 is looking to be cool now however I don't think cause Disney bought SW it will be cool without question. I already written the problems with Rebels so here is my problem with Disney Marvel...

I only really care about the Punisher, Eddie Brock Venom (Anti-Venom,) Blade, Ghost Rider (Dan Ketch then Johny.) Marvel / Disney may not let Snipes play as Blade again despite how much he wants to play as that character again. They wont let Cage play as the Ghost Rider again, I would only find that acceptable if he is replaced by the Dan Ketch Ghost Rider, but they still acknowledge Cage was Johny Blaze in the past. Venom can only do better from here on out but the comic version has been *** with, JJ son is Venom now and is a Guardian of the Galaxy, Eddie is Ravage now and it out to kill Spider-Man just cause.

The most atrocious thing they have done is *** over Frank Castle both in the new Disney / Marvel films and the comics. He is forced to break character and be easily forced to be in the Thunder Bolts and deal with International issues, which by the time of 2005-7 he really didn't give a crap about those issues. Even worse is his adaption into the marvel / Disney movieverse. Thomas Jane wanted to come back and play the Punisher, he is the best one followed by Dolph. They got some guy to play as the Punisher who is always a scum bag in the movies or shows hes in, which ruins his characters just like what happened with Venom in Spidey 3. OH BUT THATS NOT THE BEST PART, he was retroactively placed into the Cap Merica 2 story, hes apparently the guy driving around in an orange moving van taking out enemies for Nick Fury and Cap Merica. Both the times he shows up in this film Winter Solider is in his sights yet he does nothing. So essentially they have made Frank Castle a cowered, in the last comic Frank was the Captain America, he had no issues punching Bucky in the face, yet here hes to afraid to even use a Sniper Rifle, he was one of the best snipers in the SEALs & Marines after all, hell hew dint even need a precision rifle, he could have used any weapons hes known for using, hell he could have just plowed through the winter solider with his freaking orange moving van!!!!!!!

I at least got my Thomas Jane Punisher trilogy to hold me over, the Dolph version, and even the Stevens and anime versions that just came out. The live action Marvel Disney one is a freaking failure.

You're really trying to assert that. Into Darkness I'll give you. '09? Hell no. That was fantastic.

'09 Trek was a bunch of kids running down a hallway yelling at each other. Spock beating people up, Kirk flapping his fat hands around, and a creepy ewok monster.

**** was bizarre. I still can't tell if it was a big troll on Trek fans or not.

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The worst part for me was the fact Kirk cant fight anymore, he sucks, even Red shirts kick the crap out of him.