I don't understand why it has to be so large... surely you can read braille that's smaller than that?

When I have asked Haley about it they need things bigger to easily read them. Also you would want bigger so that when the blind person is trying to read the die it will be easy to make it hold still. too small and the act of tying to read it would knock it over ruining the result.

Also you need to be able to find your dice after you roll them. Easier with larger dice.

and besides: large dice are cool.

Naah, that's not a problem if you roll them in a box or something like that (which you kinda have to since it's hard to judge where you can and can't roll as a blind person)

EDIT: By that I don't mean having a shoebox and rolling the dice in that, but more like the cup you get in some games to "roll" the dice in and then put that on the table and lift it to reveal the dice.

i also assume larger dice are less likely to be moved when you're feeling around for them

You don't have to feel for them much if you're using the above mentioned method.

I don't understand why it has to be so large... surely you can read braille that's smaller than that?

When I have asked Haley about it they need things bigger to easily read them. Also you would want bigger so that when the blind person is trying to read the die it will be easy to make it hold still. too small and the act of tying to read it would knock it over ruining the result.

Sure, but if they remove the non-braille numbers and instead just paint those on, they could make it alot smaller.

yes but that does not deal with the fact it needs to be big enough for blind people need to be able to tough the die with out ruining what was rolled.

See above answer.

HA! We used to have a GIANT (like almost six inches cubed) acrylic D6 that was occasionally threatened to be part of the dice pool used to counter player related stupidity.

You’ve seen the tennis-ball size D20s that some game stores stock, right?

HA! We used to have a GIANT (like almost six inches cubed) acrylic D6 that was occasionally threatened to be part of the dice pool used to counter player related stupidity.

You’ve seen the tennis-ball size D20s that some game stores stock, right?

Yup, though to be fair, I don't play a lot of D20 anything, though they would make a great implement of player coercion.

I don't understand why it has to be so large... surely you can read braille that's smaller than that?

When I have asked Haley about it they need things bigger to easily read them. Also you would want bigger so that when the blind person is trying to read the die it will be easy to make it hold still. too small and the act of tying to read it would knock it over ruining the result.

Sure, but if they remove the non-braille numbers and instead just paint those on, they could make it alot smaller.

yes but that does not deal with the fact it needs to be big enough for blind people need to be able to tough the die with out ruining what was rolled.

See above answer.

The above answer has been nullified by the Blind person who agreed that the dice need to be Bigger for ease of reading and so the blind person touching them does not disturb the result. Smaller dice are easier to disturb and a blind person is more likely to disturb the dice because they HAVE to touch them to read them. Rolling in a box does not change the fact they have to touch the dice. Touching the dice runs the risk of changing the dice. And a blind person does not have the benefit of seeing what the dice say before they touch them

Hypothetically, if it wasn't slow to read: Colour is obviously irrelevant so you could instead make the Positive dice a different size to the Negative dice, eg the Boost Dice would be larger/smaller than the Setback. Therefore making building the dice pool quicker as the player would not have to feel each to make sure its the correct one. I'm no expert but I would assume the difference wouldn't even need to be that great? or am i imagining a problem thats not actually real.

Hypothetically, if it wasn't slow to read: Colour is obviously irrelevant so you could instead make the Positive dice a different size to the Negative dice, eg the Boost Dice would be larger/smaller than the Setback. Therefore making building the dice pool quicker as the player would not have to feel each to make sure its the correct one. I'm no expert but I would assume the difference wouldn't even need to be that great? or am i imagining a problem thats not actually real.

When it comes to 3d printing size affects cost. In the interest of keeping cost down you want the object to be as small as it can be and still be useful, which is why I thought about rounding good dice corners verses flattened bad dice corners. Depending on the individual's spatial awareness, you may need to touch multiple dice if the difference is size, but the corner would hopefully be obvious even if you just touched one.

I don't understand why it has to be so large... surely you can read braille that's smaller than that?

When I have asked Haley about it they need things bigger to easily read them. Also you would want bigger so that when the blind person is trying to read the die it will be easy to make it hold still. too small and the act of tying to read it would knock it over ruining the result.

Sure, but if they remove the non-braille numbers and instead just paint those on, they could make it alot smaller.

yes but that does not deal with the fact it needs to be big enough for blind people need to be able to tough the die with out ruining what was rolled.

See above answer.

The above answer has been nullified by the Blind person who agreed that the dice need to be Bigger for ease of reading and so the blind person touching them does not disturb the result. Smaller dice are easier to disturb and a blind person is more likely to disturb the dice because they HAVE to touch them to read them. Rolling in a box does not change the fact they have to touch the dice. Touching the dice runs the risk of changing the dice. And a blind person does not have the benefit of seeing what the dice say before they touch them

Of course they have to touch them, and of course a bigger die is easier to not roll over, but can you really picture someone rolling a die-pool game with dice the size of that one?

It might work for a D20 game, but for EotE? I doubt it.

Making them smaller doesn't automatically mean making them the same size as a normal die, either.

The blind person may have agreed that die need to be bigger, but that doesn't mean that that size is the best size. It just means that a bigger than average die is better.

Say you have to roll a 2 green, 2 yellow, 1 blue against 1 red, 3 black in that size.

Not exactly practical.

So what I was saying was that if you remove the non-braille numbers and just paint those on, you can still keep the braille size, halve the size of the die and still have a larger die that can be used comfortably in a die-pool.

I don't understand why it has to be so large... surely you can read braille that's smaller than that?

When I have asked Haley about it they need things bigger to easily read them. Also you would want bigger so that when the blind person is trying to read the die it will be easy to make it hold still. too small and the act of tying to read it would knock it over ruining the result.

Sure, but if they remove the non-braille numbers and instead just paint those on, they could make it alot smaller.

yes but that does not deal with the fact it needs to be big enough for blind people need to be able to tough the die with out ruining what was rolled.

See above answer.

The above answer has been nullified by the Blind person who agreed that the dice need to be Bigger for ease of reading and so the blind person touching them does not disturb the result. Smaller dice are easier to disturb and a blind person is more likely to disturb the dice because they HAVE to touch them to read them. Rolling in a box does not change the fact they have to touch the dice. Touching the dice runs the risk of changing the dice. And a blind person does not have the benefit of seeing what the dice say before they touch them

Of course they have to touch them, and of course a bigger die is easier to not roll over, but can you really picture someone rolling a die-pool game with dice the size of that one?

It might work for a D20 game, but for EotE? I doubt it.

Making them smaller doesn't automatically mean making them the same size as a normal die, either.

The blind person may have agreed that die need to be bigger, but that doesn't mean that that size is the best size. It just means that a bigger than average die is better.

Say you have to roll a 2 green, 2 yellow, 1 blue against 1 red, 3 black in that size.

Not exactly practical.

So what I was saying was that if you remove the non-braille numbers and just paint those on, you can still keep the braille size, halve the size of the die and still have a larger die that can be used comfortably in a die-pool.

Wow... I don't seem to recall ever saying they need to be that size specifically. I have only said they need to be bigger.

Hypothetically, if it wasn't slow to read: Colour is obviously irrelevant so you could instead make the Positive dice a different size to the Negative dice, eg the Boost Dice would be larger/smaller than the Setback. Therefore making building the dice pool quicker as the player would not have to feel each to make sure its the correct one. I'm no expert but I would assume the difference wouldn't even need to be that great? or am i imagining a problem thats not actually real.

Before I realized that the number of dice is the real issue with trying to make tactile dice, we were talking about 3d printing them. We intended to use rounded edges for the good dice and sharp edges on the naughty dice. Making them different sizes is good but I think it's easier to instantly tell which kind of die you're holding when they actually feel different no matter where you touch them.

Hypothetically, if it wasn't slow to read: Colour is obviously irrelevant so you could instead make the Positive dice a different size to the Negative dice, eg the Boost Dice would be larger/smaller than the Setback. Therefore making building the dice pool quicker as the player would not have to feel each to make sure its the correct one. I'm no expert but I would assume the difference wouldn't even need to be that great? or am i imagining a problem thats not actually real.

When it comes to 3d printing size affects cost. In the interest of keeping cost down you want the object to be as small as it can be and still be useful, which is why I thought about rounding good dice corners verses flattened bad dice corners. Depending on the individual's spatial awareness, you may need to touch multiple dice if the difference is size, but the corner would hopefully be obvious even if you just touched one.

You are an honorary blind person.

Okay, I'm just the idea man here, but how hard would it be to design an app that read the face of the die that is face down (some kind of optical recognition software), determine that if the despair is face down, that a blank must be on the showing face, and read out the results?

Regarding the size of tactile dice, how big they are really depends on how much you stick to standards. The dot spacing and height actually ve official specs. There are a lot of standards but they aren'T too terribly different from one another.

Obviously, for personal use, you can work that out with whoever you planned to give them to.

Okay, I'm just the idea man here, but how hard would it be to design an app that read the face of the die that is face down (some kind of optical recognition software), determine that if the despair is face down, that a blank must be on the showing face, and read out the results?

Ooh!

pattern recognician is hard from what I understand...but I am not a programmer...

Okay, I'm just the idea man here, but how hard would it be to design an app that read the face of the die that is face down (some kind of optical recognition software), determine that if the despair is face down, that a blank must be on the showing face, and read out the results?

That isn't a half bad idea at all, and it wouldn't be as difficult as you'd think to do either, with their being so few results that can show (per dice) the image training would be fairly easy to do, I may just give a shot at writing an Android application to do this, see how hard it would really be.

I don't understand why it has to be so large... surely you can read braille that's smaller than that?

When I have asked Haley about it they need things bigger to easily read them. Also you would want bigger so that when the blind person is trying to read the die it will be easy to make it hold still. too small and the act of tying to read it would knock it over ruining the result.

Sure, but if they remove the non-braille numbers and instead just paint those on, they could make it alot smaller.

yes but that does not deal with the fact it needs to be big enough for blind people need to be able to tough the die with out ruining what was rolled.

See above answer.

The above answer has been nullified by the Blind person who agreed that the dice need to be Bigger for ease of reading and so the blind person touching them does not disturb the result. Smaller dice are easier to disturb and a blind person is more likely to disturb the dice because they HAVE to touch them to read them. Rolling in a box does not change the fact they have to touch the dice. Touching the dice runs the risk of changing the dice. And a blind person does not have the benefit of seeing what the dice say before they touch them

Of course they have to touch them, and of course a bigger die is easier to not roll over, but can you really picture someone rolling a die-pool game with dice the size of that one?

It might work for a D20 game, but for EotE? I doubt it.

Making them smaller doesn't automatically mean making them the same size as a normal die, either.

The blind person may have agreed that die need to be bigger, but that doesn't mean that that size is the best size. It just means that a bigger than average die is better.

Say you have to roll a 2 green, 2 yellow, 1 blue against 1 red, 3 black in that size.

Not exactly practical.

So what I was saying was that if you remove the non-braille numbers and just paint those on, you can still keep the braille size, halve the size of the die and still have a larger die that can be used comfortably in a die-pool.

Wow... I don't seem to recall ever saying they need to be that size specifically. I have only said they need to be bigger.

And I never said they needed to be regular size either.

Hypothetically, if it wasn't slow to read: Colour is obviously irrelevant so you could instead make the Positive dice a different size to the Negative dice, eg the Boost Dice would be larger/smaller than the Setback. Therefore making building the dice pool quicker as the player would not have to feel each to make sure its the correct one. I'm no expert but I would assume the difference wouldn't even need to be that great? or am i imagining a problem thats not actually real.

When it comes to 3d printing size affects cost. In the interest of keeping cost down you want the object to be as small as it can be and still be useful, which is why I thought about rounding good dice corners verses flattened bad dice corners. Depending on the individual's spatial awareness, you may need to touch multiple dice if the difference is size, but the corner would hopefully be obvious even if you just touched one.

You are an honorary blind person.

Thanks.

I actually had to practice navigating and working in a world without light back when I was a photographer. Processing the film, and if I was working with color prints meant I had to go without a safe light. I still remember that it was four steps from the light lock to the enlarger, black and white paper was to it's left, color to it's right, turn about 160 degrees to the right and three steps to the sink with the chemicals... During the busy times of year I was the only one who could stand to put in a full eight hours with no lights.

Early on, while I was still learning the layout of the lab, I stuck velcro on the outsides of containers. Safe chemicals got the fuzzy side, and anything that could cause burns, skin irritation, etc. got the rough side, and the paper cutter got LINED in the rough side after I had a run in with it.