I understand and appreciate speculation as much as the next person, but the only information that's leaked has been fragmented and ambiguous.

So here's my two cents: this is an argument that can't be resolved one way or the other until 12:01 on September 4, when players finally have their hands on any Ep 7 merchandise FFG has under wraps (or until they're able to post a preview, if that happens). Maybe let's all cool our heels on this particular topic until there's real information to go on, eh?

People aren't going to do that becasue you say so. Not that I disagree with you, I've just seen this topic come up in four threads today, and it'll keep happening, but I was hoping this thread existing might allow people to benefit from my amazing insights .

Maybe let's all cool our heels on this particular topic until there's real information to go on, eh?

Not engage in speculation about things we have little to no information of? Madness!! This is the internet after all.

it seems so many people are afraid of a possible powercreep that makes your collected ships worthless

Powercreep is easy to avoid if the ships have a fair cost. If the new TIE is 16 points for a PS1 or 2 version then they won't replace the existing Ties.What worries me slightly is the E-Wing vs the T70.

Probably best if FFG don't base the cost of a new ship on the cost of an old ship they've already acknowledged is too expensive and will need help in the future, mind.

I think people are slightly more worried about the chance that the T70 would make the T65 or E-wing less viable than they are more so than the Tie, considering since the start the base academy pilot has been a staple even to this day. Plus there is quite possibly the chance that the new rumored core set and expansions won't be the X-wing fix people are looking for, though they may get a boost as we know the new T70s have astromech slots, they are X-wings after all, but that boost will quite likely extend out to the Y-wing and E-wing provided they aren't faction restricted.

I think we will get the X-wing update most likely in some new aces box where we will hopefully see Rouge Squadron generic pilots like the Royal Guard ones for the Interceptor. And I am still a fan of the X-wing getting the SLAM action somehow to represent locking S-foils, though SLAM and that are two very different things.

But as a meta thing, both in game and a nod to the old EU, I think t would be hilarious if the X-wing fix was a bunch of titles, being the different variations from the old EU to make the X-wing more viable in universe, which would make the ship more specialized instead of a jack of all trades. Maybe something like the Stealth X-wing being a 0 cost title that gives the Evade action or something.

How often do you see shield upgrade on Academy Tie's? Would you put one on there if it only cost three points? The value of an upgrade is directly proportional to the cost of the ship using that upgrade. Don't worry about the humble AP, they are going to be just as useful as always.

It's hard to not engage in wild speculation, so here's mine:

- New ships and pilots

- New upgrade "retrofit" ship specific upgrade cards that can be applied to old ships

- A new damage deck

If you play in the new era, you need to use the new damage deck.

Tadah! X-Wing, season 2 with the option to keep playing season 1 if you want.

Wild speculation with absolutely no proof, but that's half the fun, is it not?

It's hard to not engage in wild speculation, so here's mine:

- New ships and pilots

- New upgrade "retrofit" ship specific upgrade cards that can be applied to old ships

- A new damage deck

If you play in the new era, you need to use the new damage deck.

Tadah! X-Wing, season 2 with the option to keep playing season 1 if you want.

Wild speculation with absolutely no proof, but that's half the fun, is it not?

Now that's just mean. Wild speculation - meet upcoming wild accussations...

I would love to see some hard numbers on if a hypothetical X-Wing with an extra shield plus boost would be worth 3 points. I suspect strongly that it would not be.

I would therefore hope that either I'm wrong about fair pricing, or that I'm wrong about what we might hypothetically see.

One thing I know I'm right about: FFG won't endanger tbe health of this game by creating new factions stupidly, nor by creating a whole new game stupidly. So they'll do it smartly or not at all.

New factions will be very difficult without an existing expanded universe. Without games, novels, cartoons, etc. the Imperials would have 4 Tie variants and the Lambda. Rebels would have X,Y,A,B-Wings and the Falcon. Scum would have the Firespray.

I doubt the movies and associated media will add a large number of ships to any new factions very quickly. Keep in mind the Rebels cartoon and the first couple one-off movies will add material to existing factions, not the new ones. Even the novels will be set primarily in the classic GCW era for a while to avoid spilling the beans on episodes 8 and 9.

New independent factions just don't make a great deal of sense.

Maybe. But if they make "resistance" faction ships that can incorporate rebel ships in their squads then why not just call them the same faction as Rebels. The effect on the table is identical. I guess it would still technically be new factions, but in practice it really isn't. Maybe after a few years worth of new rebel and resistance expansions they could just change the rules to split the two for realsies?

It could have more to do with the licensing rights then trying to stay relevant. That is the negative thing about making a game that ties to a movie. The company that produces said movie is going to want ALL product to reflect the most current events taking place in the movie(s) at the time.

I understand and appreciate speculation as much as the next person, but the only information that's leaked has been fragmented and ambiguous.

So here's my two cents: this is an argument that can't be resolved one way or the other until 12:01 on September 4, when players finally have their hands on any Ep 7 merchandise FFG has under wraps (or until they're able to post a preview, if that happens). Maybe let's all cool our heels on this particular topic until there's real information to go on, eh?

HaHa, you're asking people who speculated on the next wave before the current one (whatever that is) is even released or fully spoiled.

The next bright and shiny is the only thing that is really important. Oh and the fact it needs balanced/buffed or will ruin the balance of something else even before it comes out.

For me, because I never get to play the game, the only exciting thing is the next ships I can buy sleeve and store in sweet custom foam.

Your way makes the most sense.

We'll have to wait and see.

Talonbane Cobra, is it true that before your ace pilot career you led the Cobra Kai Dojo and beat the hell out of the Karate Kid?

What I want to know is if he's a commander.

Personally

All I want is a "new" YT-1300 with it's new dish to fly alongside my OT Falcon. Regardless of whether this is "New Faction" or "Renamed OT Faction", it is still a YT-1300 Freighter.

A YT-1300 by any other name would still smell so.....

OK, not sweet if there's a sweaty geriatric and Wookie on board but you get my meaning.

Your way makes the most sense.

We'll have to wait and see.

Talonbane Cobra, is it true that before your ace pilot career you led the Cobra Kai Dojo and beat the hell out of the Karate Kid?

What I want to know is if he's a commander.

How could he not be?

I have voiced my opinion on this in other threads... reckon we're getting a new version of x-wing for the new era. Original x-wing game continues as normal and expands from rebels series and offshoot rebel period films. While we get 2 new factions for the new era that can't be flown against the existing rebellion era factions and the ships for these will be expanded from the ep7+ cannon....

another thought though, what if the other two products were similar to most wanted - as in one for each new faction, with 2 or 3 models and a whole bunch of pilot cards to allow the use of certain rebellion era models that will show up in ep7..... I.e. pilot cards for the falcon, a more powerful Luke flying an old x-wing etc...

Still only going to be 3 factions. Resistance/rebels can fly together and empire/1st order can fly together. Gameplay>timelines.

That would be a fantastic reason for me to not bother buying the Ep VII core set. Imagine, recreate the original core set thrills and spills of a regenerating X-Wing and TIE fighter chasing each other in endless circles at the end of the game.

I feel it important to note that we've seen no evidence of an x-wing fix.

The T-65 is still weak, just the T-70 replaces it. ASSUMING you can fly them as rebel.

That would be a fantastic reason for me to not bother buying the Ep VII core set. Imagine, recreate the original core set thrills and spills of a regenerating X-Wing and TIE fighter chasing each other in endless circles at the end of the game.

I don't think we've seen any regen droids in the core set itself. BB-8 does something on greens but it doesn't look like regen shields. I'm speculating maybe an evade token.

Still, that could be pretty annoying on him.

I feel it important to note that we've seen no evidence of an x-wing fix.

The T-65 is still weak, just the T-70 replaces it. ASSUMING you can fly them as rebel.

You can fly them as Rebel. But you *may* need the EVII damage deck for them, just as epic ships have their own damage decks.

reckon we're getting a new version of x-wing for the new era. Original x-wing game continues as normal and expands from rebels series and offshoot rebel period films. While we get 2 new factions for the new era that can't be flown against the existing rebellion era factions and the ships for these will be expanded from the ep7+ cannon....

I'm really puzzled why you think this? Can you explain why? Are you just against the idea or do you have a good reason to believe this?

If it does happen this way then I won't be buying the new ships, 2 same but different games? No ta.

just the T-70 replaces it. ASSUMING you can fly them as rebel.

That may or may not be true. If a T-70 starts at 25 points, and FFG does something to improve the X-Wing, there may be room for both.

Myself I'll be a little surprised if FFG doesn't do something to make the T-65 competitive somehow.

But you *may* need the EVII damage deck for them

There is nothing to even hint at a new damage deck. But there's a whole lot of issues with putting one into the game unless it's painfully clear which is which at a glance.

same but different games? No ta.

There's few things they could do that would be a worse idea then to make a 'new' X-Wing game.

While there could be new stuff that we still don't know about, as it stands right now there are exactly 2 ships that we've seen for TFA, the X-Wing and the Tie Fighter. There's also been nothing that even hints at more fighters in that movie. That includes leaks of other toy lines.

You can not have a faction that consists of 1 ship. While there may be other ships in the movie, or more ships in the other movies... We're a long way away from the other movies. It's not like FFG has 3 movies and 30 odd years of EU stuff to draw on here.

There is nothing good that can come out of making a incompatible game for TFA stuff.