Am I correct in assuming that Redline can create the following sequence of events:

Perform Action to acquire a target lock on the defender.
Pilot Ability grants a second target lock.

Move to combat.
Spend one target lock to launch cluster missiles at the defender, use remaining target lock to re-roll dice.
After that attack, Fire Control System allows Redline to acquire another target lock.
Redline's ability gives a second target lock.
Redline uses the second attack.
Acquires target lock through Fire Control System
Gains second target lock through Pilot Ability.

So the rules question is, does FCS work after each attack for cluster missiles. (I believe the FAQ says it does, saying each attack and cluster missiles saying it's two attacks),

and does FCS interact with Redline's ability (like the FAQ says that it does with Weapons Engineers)

There's no "once per round" qualifier, so it would seem to be ok.

That sequence is correct. Yes to both of your rules questions. FCS works on each Cluster Missile attack, and FCS works with Redline's ability. For precedent on FCS working with Redline, take a look at FCS + Weapons Engineer, which has similar wording and is confirmed to work together in the FAQ.

There have been a couple people who question whether or not the rules would let him gain a second TL on a ship if he already has one on that ship, but other than that, yeah, everything looks right.

Cool beans. 39 Point Redline time.

You are mostly correct.

1. Redline takes a TL as his action.

2. His ability gives him a second TL on the same target.

3. Redline spends the first TL to attack with Cluster Missiles.

4. Redline spends the second TL to modify dice on the first Cluster Missile attack.

5. FCS allows Redline to acquire a TL on the target of the Cluster Missile attack.

6. Redline's ability grants a second TL on the same target.

7. Redline uses the first TL to modify the second Cluster Missile attack.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

There have been a couple people who question whether or not the rules would let him gain a second TL on a ship if he already has one on that ship,

Which, yes. Has a single ship with no support acquiring 5 TLs in a single round.

Something else that you can do is to use both target locks in the second attack as well. Use the first lock to reroll dice and then the second lock can be used to modify 0 dice. Or if you are rerolling more than one dice reroll them in separate pools. So you need to reroll 3 dice use the first lock to reroll 2 dice and the second lock to reroll the last dice.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

Does that matter though, the Faq even sais if you attack multiple times, you can acquire a new target lock for each attack, now normally you wouldn't be able to acquire one because you already have one, but redline can maintain 2 on the same target so the way I see it, as long as you do an attack and don't have 2 target locks you can gain a second target lock., and if you don't have a traget lock you get 2

Redline sais You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on that same ship

there's nothing in there that sais you have to get both of the target locks at the same time

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

Does that matter though, the Faq even sais if you attack multiple times, you can acquire a new target lock for each attack, now normally you wouldn't be able to acquire one because you already have one, but redline can maintain 2 on the same target so the way I see it, as long as you do an attack and don't have 2 target locks you can gain a second target lock., and if you don't have a traget lock you get 2

Redline sais You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on that same ship

there's nothing in there that sais you have to get both of the target locks at the same time

His ability says he can do two things:

1. Maintain two target locks on the same target ship.

2. When he acquires a target lock, he may acquire a second target lock on the same target.

There is nothing in his ability that permits him to acquire a target lock on a ship which he already has a target lock for. He isn't able to get the second target lock if he can't acquire the first. The FAQ makes it clear that you are unable to acquire a target lock on a target you already have locked. There is nothing in his card text that would override that.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

Does that matter though, the Faq even sais if you attack multiple times, you can acquire a new target lock for each attack, now normally you wouldn't be able to acquire one because you already have one, but redline can maintain 2 on the same target so the way I see it, as long as you do an attack and don't have 2 target locks you can gain a second target lock., and if you don't have a traget lock you get 2

Redline sais You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on that same ship

there's nothing in there that sais you have to get both of the target locks at the same time

His ability says he can do two things:

1. Maintain two target locks on the same target ship.

2. When he acquires a target lock, he may acquire a second target lock on the same target.

There is nothing in his ability that permits him to acquire a target lock on a ship which he already has a target lock for. He isn't able to get the second target lock if he can't acquire the first. The FAQ makes it clear that you are unable to acquire a target lock on a target you already have locked. There is nothing in his card text that would override that.

The FAQ says you can spend a target lock for no effect. I wonder if Redline can just spend both target locks on the second Cluster Attack even if the second one doesn't do anything. Then he could reacquire both locks after the attack with FCS.

This seems like a disappointing and possibly unintended consequence of the rules. It wouldn't be overpowered to always allow Redline to end with 2 target locks after his attacks while he is equipped with FCS.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

I concur.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

Does that matter though, the Faq even sais if you attack multiple times, you can acquire a new target lock for each attack, now normally you wouldn't be able to acquire one because you already have one, but redline can maintain 2 on the same target so the way I see it, as long as you do an attack and don't have 2 target locks you can gain a second target lock., and if you don't have a traget lock you get 2

Redline sais You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on that same ship

there's nothing in there that sais you have to get both of the target locks at the same time

His ability says he can do two things:

1. Maintain two target locks on the same target ship.

2. When he acquires a target lock, he may acquire a second target lock on the same target.

There is nothing in his ability that permits him to acquire a target lock on a ship which he already has a target lock for. He isn't able to get the second target lock if he can't acquire the first. The FAQ makes it clear that you are unable to acquire a target lock on a target you already have locked. There is nothing in his card text that would override that.

The FAQ says you can spend a target lock for no effect. I wonder if Redline can just spend both target locks on the second Cluster Attack even if the second one doesn't do anything. Then he could reacquire both locks after the attack with FCS.

This seems like a disappointing and possibly unintended consequence of the rules. It wouldn't be overpowered to always allow Redline to end with 2 target locks after his attacks while he is equipped with FCS.

You can choose to reroll zero dice but you can only spend one TL per opportunity. ForgottenLore gave the work around earlier in the thread:

It should be noted that even if that is how it is ruled to work, you can avoid the problem by not taking the second lock after the first attack. Redline's ability is optional. So in between attacks you only take one lock, spend it during the second attack and then acquire 2 more with FCS and his ability.

Ah I missed that. Good catch Forgotten Lore.

I want a EPT now that says, "you may spend a target lock to give a stress token to the ship you are locked on to." Or some such.

Sorry for bringing up an old topic, but I am fairly new to this game (3-4 months or so) and was recently looking into how Redline+FCS+clustermissiles would work and found this. In reading through the thoughts on it, I saw this quote:

The FAQ makes it clear that you are unable to acquire a target lock on a target you already have locked.

What is the source for this? In the FAQ under Actions and Game Effects, I see this:

Q: if a ship already has a target lock on an enemy ship, can the locking ship acquire a target lock again on the same enemy ship in order to trigger a game effect (such as “Dutch” vander)?

A: Yes.

So in going back to an earlier list of actions:

You are mostly correct.

1. Redline takes a TL as his action.
2. His ability gives him a second TL on the same target.
3. Redline spends the first TL to attack with Cluster Missiles.
4. Redline spends the second TL to modify dice on the first Cluster Missile attack.
5. FCS allows Redline to acquire a TL on the target of the Cluster Missile attack.
6. Redline's ability grants a second TL on the same target.
7. Redline uses the first TL to modify the second Cluster Missile attack.
8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

I think that 8 is wrong - you could refresh the target lock back to 2 locks for each of the cluster missile attacks.

The FAQ for Captain Jonus sets precedence for multi-attack secondaries triggering twice:

if another friendly ship performs multiple attacks with a secondary weapon (such as Cluster Missiles), Captain Jonus may use his ability for each attack.

However, the FAQ for R3-A2 says it only works on first attack if triggered by target declaration:

if a ship equipped with r3-A2 performs an attack with a weapon that performs two attacks (such as Twin Laser Turret or Cluster Missiles), this ability can only be used on the rst attack because the target is not declared again during the second attack.

Since FCS triggers after you perform an attack, I would interpret that to mean you could restore both target locks after each of the two cluster missile attacks.

Am I missing something?

Am I missing something?

Just the fact that that line has been added to the FAQ in the time that this post has been dormant.

Am I missing something?

Just the fact that that line has been added to the FAQ in the time that this post has been dormant.

And prior to that, you weren't allowed to target lock a ship you already had a lock on. There was a change made in the TFA rulebook from the original rulebook.

The old rulebook used to be phrased in such a way that you could not aquire a lock on a ship you already had locked. When the revised the rules for the force awakens edition of the game they reworded acquiring a target lock to make that possible, so now redline CAN gain that lock.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

Does that matter though, the Faq even sais if you attack multiple times, you can acquire a new target lock for each attack, now normally you wouldn't be able to acquire one because you already have one, but redline can maintain 2 on the same target so the way I see it, as long as you do an attack and don't have 2 target locks you can gain a second target lock., and if you don't have a traget lock you get 2

Redline sais You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on that same ship

there's nothing in there that sais you have to get both of the target locks at the same time

His ability says he can do two things:

1. Maintain two target locks on the same target ship.

2. When he acquires a target lock, he may acquire a second target lock on the same target.

There is nothing in his ability that permits him to acquire a target lock on a ship which he already has a target lock for. He isn't able to get the second target lock if he can't acquire the first. The FAQ makes it clear that you are unable to acquire a target lock on a target you already have locked. There is nothing in his card text that would override that.

Actually the FAQ makes it pretty clear that you absolutely CAN acquire a target lock (reacquire it) on a target you already have locked...

8. FCS does nothing because Redline still has a TL on the target.

Does that matter though, the Faq even sais if you attack multiple times, you can acquire a new target lock for each attack, now normally you wouldn't be able to acquire one because you already have one, but redline can maintain 2 on the same target so the way I see it, as long as you do an attack and don't have 2 target locks you can gain a second target lock., and if you don't have a traget lock you get 2

Redline sais You may maintain 2 target locks on the same ship. When you acquire a target lock, you may acquire a second lock on that same ship

there's nothing in there that sais you have to get both of the target locks at the same time

His ability says he can do two things:

1. Maintain two target locks on the same target ship.

2. When he acquires a target lock, he may acquire a second target lock on the same target.

There is nothing in his ability that permits him to acquire a target lock on a ship which he already has a target lock for. He isn't able to get the second target lock if he can't acquire the first. The FAQ makes it clear that you are unable to acquire a target lock on a target you already have locked. There is nothing in his card text that would override that.

Actually the FAQ makes it pretty clear that you absolutely CAN acquire a target lock (reacquire it) on a target you already have locked...

FAQ page 16

Actions and Game Effects

5th Question

Q: If a ship already has a target lock on an enemy ship, can the locking ship acquire a target lock again on the same enemy ship in order to trigger a game effect (such as “Dutch” Vander)?

A: Yes.

Unless there is something somewhere I am missing....

Seems pretty straight forward.

Either way it is very easy (unless you roll really well and then poorly) to maintain those two TLocks on the target (if it's still there) after he attacks.

What you are missing is that this is almost a year old post that you are replying to. At the time it was accurate. The rules at the time specifically stated that you were unable to take a target lock on a ship which you already had locked.

The joy of not looking at the date... and assuming that the rule you know now were always like that...

The joy of not looking at the date... and assuming that the rule you know now were always like that...

If only they were...