K-Wing performs a 2 Left Bank. Runs over a Proximity mine (mid maneuver) and suffers a Damaged Engine critical. Performs a SLAM action and a 2 Hard Right is chosen which is now red.

Question is, does the K-Wing receive a Stress token for performing the SLAM hard right?

The reference card says that SLAM counts as executing a maneuver and if you're executing a hard turn that is now red you will receive a stress.

No, the SLAM action is performed after the check stress step, so it doesn't cause you to add or remove stress.

No, the SLAM action is performed after the check stress step, so it doesn't cause you to add or remove stress.

This is why the Daredevil EPT was changed to give a stress instead of being a red maneuver as was originally on the card.

I see I assumed incorrectly that executing a maneuver includes the check pilot stress step.

No, you've passed the check pilot stress step and you're in the middle of the perform action step now.

If you are allowed to drop a non action bomb that requires you to reveal a dial (see SLAM and Bomb article), does that mean that you follow through steps 2 to 5 of activation again?

If you are allowed to drop a non action bomb that requires you to reveal a dial (see SLAM and Bomb article), does that mean that you follow through steps 2 to 5 of activation again?

No. And since articles are not rules text, I'm pretty solidly behind the idea that you can't use SLAM to drop a bomb that triggers on revealing a dial.

And since articles are not rules text, I'm pretty solidly behind the idea that you can't use SLAM to drop a bomb that triggers on revealing a dial.

By the rules you are completely correct. But considering that the article pretty unambiguously showed that FFG thinks you can, and given how excited people are to make bombs effective, I'm willing to bet that most people are going to play it that you can drop bombs then anyway.

It looks like the intent is that you set your dial to the same speed, different maneuver, because it explicitly mentions 'executing a maneuver on the ship's dial'.

I had actually not picked that up from the article. This.... changes things.

No, you've passed the check pilot stress step and you're in the middle of the perform action step now.

Aren't there elements of the game that give you stress after the check stress phase? This seems to fit unless the Damaged Engine crit is assessed the following round.

No, you've passed the check pilot stress step and you're in the middle of the perform action step now.

Aren't there elements of the game that give you stress after the check stress phase? This seems to fit unless the Damaged Engine crit is assessed the following round.

There are plenty of effects that give stress after the check stress step, notably Push the Limit.

Effects that give stress before are a bit more rare, like using Advanced Sensors with Push the Limit.

The Dauntless interaction is the one that cuts the timing the closest.

If a Proximity Mine produces a Damaged Engine, if the maneuver overlapping the Proximity Mine was Green, the stress is removed during the Check Stress step, as the damage would be dealt while the maneuver is being completed.

It looks like the intent is that you set your dial to the same speed, different maneuver, because it explicitly mentions 'executing a maneuver on the ship's dial'.

I had actually not picked that up from the article. This.... changes things.

The card says nothing about setting the dial, manipulating the dial, picking the dial up off the table... it certainly doesn't say anything about turning or revealing a dial, which IS mentioned quite specifically on the bomb cards in question.

It says to "Execute a maneuver on the ship's dial" which says, to me, that you are limited to maneuvers listed on the dial of the ship. In this case the dial is a reference tool.

Using slam "Counts as executing a maneuver" but the problem is that the bomb drop doesn't occur "when you execute a maneuver", but again, specifically prior to revealing a dial, which only happens when a ship is activated, not the perform action step, and not as the result of a SLAM action.

EDIT: This makes me wonder though... can an ion-ed ship drop one of these bombs? I don't think you reveal a dial when you're ion tokened. Need to look that up.

No, you've passed the check pilot stress step and you're in the middle of the perform action step now.

Aren't there elements of the game that give you stress after the check stress phase? This seems to fit unless the Damaged Engine crit is assessed the following round.

There are plenty of effects that give stress after the check stress step, notably Push the Limit.

Effects that give stress before are a bit more rare, like using Advanced Sensors with Push the Limit.

The Dauntless interaction is the one that cuts the timing the closest.

If a Proximity Mine produces a Damaged Engine, if the maneuver overlapping the Proximity Mine was Green, the stress is removed during the Check Stress step, as the damage would be dealt while the maneuver is being completed.

Ok, but we're talking about the SLAM action. It seems the SLAM maneuver uses sub phases 1,2,3 and 5. 4 being Check Pilot Stress and 6 being Perform Action. According to the OP's conditions the hard 2 becomes red. Shouldn't this cause a stress token to be issued? Crits normally are applied immediately unless specified differently.

It looks like the intent is that you set your dial to the same speed, different maneuver, because it explicitly mentions 'executing a maneuver on the ship's dial'.

I had actually not picked that up from the article. This.... changes things.

The card says nothing about setting the dial, manipulating the dial, picking the dial up off the table... it certainly doesn't say anything about turning or revealing a dial, which IS mentioned quite specifically on the bomb cards in question.

It says to "Execute a maneuver on the ship's dial" which says, to me, that you are limited to maneuvers listed on the dial of the ship. In this case the dial is a reference tool.

Using slam "Counts as executing a maneuver" but the problem is that the bomb drop doesn't occur "when you execute a maneuver", but again, specifically prior to revealing a dial, which only happens when a ship is activated, not the perform action step, and not as the result of a SLAM action.

EDIT: This makes me wonder though... can an ion-ed ship drop one of these bombs? I don't think you reveal a dial when you're ion tokened. Need to look that up.

I think you may be reading too much in to this. There's no need to set your dial for a slam action just as there's no need to set it for a boost action. The reason dials are set in the planning phase is for simultaneous movement. The action is treated as a maneuver. That should be enough to logically allow for a bomb drop.

It looks like the intent is that you set your dial to the same speed, different maneuver, because it explicitly mentions 'executing a maneuver on the ship's dial'.

I had actually not picked that up from the article. This.... changes things.

The card says nothing about setting the dial, manipulating the dial, picking the dial up off the table... it certainly doesn't say anything about turning or revealing a dial, which IS mentioned quite specifically on the bomb cards in question.

It says to "Execute a maneuver on the ship's dial" which says, to me, that you are limited to maneuvers listed on the dial of the ship. In this case the dial is a reference tool.

Using slam "Counts as executing a maneuver" but the problem is that the bomb drop doesn't occur "when you execute a maneuver", but again, specifically prior to revealing a dial, which only happens when a ship is activated, not the perform action step, and not as the result of a SLAM action.

EDIT: This makes me wonder though... can an ion-ed ship drop one of these bombs? I don't think you reveal a dial when you're ion tokened. Need to look that up.

I think you may be reading too much in to this. There's no need to set your dial for a slam action just as there's no need to set it for a boost action. The reason dials are set in the planning phase is for simultaneous movement. The action is treated as a maneuver. That should be enough to logically allow for a bomb drop.

See, I disagree.

"When you reveal your maneuver dial" is pretty specific, and it's notably not "When you execute a maneuver".

I agree that it may be "in the spirit of the card" to fudge it in favor of the interpretation used in the FFG article, but the fact remains that this loose interpretation ignores a very specific trigger condition printed on the card itself. This probably wouldn't be an issue except that bombs are clearly divided into those that you have to drop when you reveal your dial, and those that you drop as an action, and this has a significant impact on gameplay and list building.

I agree with your assessment, both of the card and the intent. This is going to be one of those RAW vs RAI situations that demands a FAQ. Any bets on how soon the next one drops?

On the other hand, this could be their intent to limit the ordnance that can be slammed and not a vague rule. Either way it will need a FAQ to end the confusion.

I think the crux of it is, is choosing the maneuver for the SLAM considered to be the equivalent of a dial reveal? If it is, then all the bomb dropping will fall into place quite neatly. If it isn't, there's no bombing off a SLAM. With the official release of Wave VII just around the corner, it won't be long before there's a new FAQ to clear it up...

hopefully...

I think the crux of it is, is choosing the maneuver for the SLAM considered to be the equivalent of a dial reveal? If it is, then all the bomb dropping will fall into place quite neatly. If it isn't, there's no bombing off a SLAM. With the official release of Wave VII just around the corner, it won't be long before there's a new FAQ to clear it up...

hopefully...

If it counts as revealing a dial..

- You could use navigator to get around the restriction on speed.

- Your normal maneuver have you hit an ion bomb. You are now in the activation phase and reveal a maneuver and have an ion token... Should you then perform a 1 forward white maneuver instead? RAW yes, but I guess the ruling for Leebo indicated the effect is delayed til next planing phase.

- You could use advanced sensors, but the K-wing doesn't have a system upgrade...

Any other interesting things that trigger of revealing a dial?