Disappointed with Raiders Size

By Vitalis, in X-Wing

I don't think the Raider is designed to carry its own fighters, nor does it have a docking bay. That's not the role of the ship. It's the equivalent of a destroyer class warship

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It is meant to support larger ships, such as Star Destroyers, that are vulnerable to smaller fighters and increase the survivablity of allied small fighters.

This is really the most accurate comparison to modern naval combat I've seen.

The original destroyers were specifically "Torpedo Boat Destroyers" made to hunt down and annihilate the smaller, more nimble weapon delivery systems that harried the larger ships and delivered grievous blows to them.

In this context, a "Star Destroyer" is really a fairly large battlecruiser, and this corvette fills the role of "Torpedo Boat Destroyer" in the sense that it is nimble and heavily armed with enough light weapons to knock out the ships that an ISD's turbolasers couldn't hit, all without having to go all Vader and "Destroy them ship to ship".

Edited by Tvayumat

I thought there was something about ties being able to dock with it. But that may of been speculation or just my own delusions.

Were you thinking of this, soon to be, X-wing ship?

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The only issue i have with the raider is that I cant see anything that would be docking hatches or any way for the ship to land.

Because ships don't land on it.

No but they do dock with it. There's 2 cutouts just fore of the wings that are docking stations for fighters. At least I think that's what they're supposed to be.

Not necessarily.

Those two cutouts don't appear to be docking hatches. The only ingress/egress ports appear to be located along the spine of the ship.

Given that the size of the Raider is comparable to the size of the CR-90, and we know that the CR-90 fits into the main hangar of an ISD, I think it's fair to assume that the Raider does all its business while docked INSIDE a larger capital ship or docking port then launches via tractor beam like everything else.

This, exactly. The Raider is an anti-fighter ship, and I like the notion that it could be deployed from the main hangar of a Star Destroyer. The Corellian Corvette is not only older tech, canonically, but its mission profile is more about engaging other capital ships. Seems to me all that means it should be slower and bulkier.

Just my thinking on it. I wasn't really feeling the Raider myself until I got it out of the box but I like it more and more. Kinda reminds me of the Cruise Missile Trooper toy that was released several years back, anyone remember that thing? At first it seemed to un-Star Wars to me but my buddy's kid brother had one and the more I played with it, the more I liked it. Very similar lines to the Raider.

Were you thinking of this, soon to be, X-wing ship?

No, not that you could attach a model to it or anything. Just that it had places on the side to hold ties. But again that may of been early speculation someone was making.

The Raider-class Corvette, according to Mission R1, has a hangar bay.

A row of TIE Advanced stretches across the hangar bay, each ship polished and spotless. (pg. 3, Mission Booklet)

I couldn't locate the location of this bay on the model.

The Raider-class Corvette, according to Mission R1, has a hangar bay.

A row of TIE Advanced stretches across the hangar bay, each ship polished and spotless. (pg. 3, Mission Booklet)

I couldn't locate the location of this bay on the model.

This text is taken out of context. The TIE Advanced are aboard either another ship like a transport or a nearby asteroid base. I don't think it's specified, but it most certainly is not aboard the Raider.

pg. 3, Mission Booklet, Mission R1: Test Flight

A hologram of the crew chief flickers to life on the deck of an Imperial Raider-class corvette. As his apparition renders, he snaps a salute.

"Captain, we have unloaded the shipment of TIE Advanced from Tempest Squadron. They are fully fueled and ready for your inspection"

"Excellent. I shall shuttle across presently"

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I don't think the Raider is designed to carry its own fighters, nor does it have a docking bay. That's not the role of the ship. It's the equivalent of a destroyer class warship

0585706.jpg

It is meant to support larger ships, such as Star Destroyers, that are vulnerable to smaller fighters and increase the survivablity of allied small fighters.

This is really the most accurate comparison to modern naval combat I've seen.

The original destroyers were specifically "Torpedo Boat Destroyers" made to hunt down and annihilate the smaller, more nimble weapon delivery systems that harried the larger ships and delivered grievous blows to them.

In this context, a "Star Destroyer" is really a fairly large battlecruiser, and this corvette fills the role of "Torpedo Boat Destroyer" in the sense that it is nimble and heavily armed with enough light weapons to knock out the ships that an ISD's turbolasers couldn't hit, all without having to go all Vader and "Destroy them ship to ship".

I would say that a more accurate comparison to modern naval warships would be to compare it to a "Corvette", which is what it actually is. :P

The relationship between Star Wars capital ships and modern naval vessels is tenuous at best and arbitrary at worst, but I'd argue it could easily fall under the heading of corvette or destroyer based on its outfitting, considering it can support multiple full-size turbolasers.

But then, the Empire has decided that ships with tens of thousands of people capable of projecting hundreds of fighter and bomber wings is a "destroyer" so... I guess they're picking the nomenclature.

The relationship between Star Wars capital ships and modern naval vessels is tenuous at best and arbitrary at worst, but I'd argue it could easily fall under the heading of corvette or destroyer based on its outfitting, considering it can support multiple full-size turbolasers.

But then, the Empire has decided that ships with tens of thousands of people capable of projecting hundreds of fighter and bomber wings is a "destroyer" so... I guess they're picking the nomenclature.

Well the word "destroyer" used in the name Star Destroyer more denotes to a class of ship capable of destroying star systems, not so much the class of ship "Destroyer". That's why there are so many varying sizes of Star Destroyers. Agreed, a Raider can follow the roles of what a destroyer does in modern type naval fleets, which is mainly escort, but I think the idea of the Raider was more for hit-and-run tactics and for supporting Imperial star fighter attacks. That's kinda of where they were going with the TIE Advanced's new background story. A hyperdrive capable fighter able to accompany Raiders on their patrols and surprise attacks against Rebels. The Raider wasn't really designed for escort duty as much as it was for countering Rebel hit-and-run tactics. I would say that even the "Frigate" class of modern navy's would be a closer comparison to what the Raider is intended for, but even the roles of frigate and destroyer would be better compared to ships like the 250 meter Imperial Lancer-class frigate, the 120 meter Corellian Thunder frigate, and the 300 meter Nebulon-B. I agree comparisons are tough to make and are quite arbitrary, but I think a part of that is because with Star Wars warships, designers have generally disregarded the term "Destroyer" as a class in comparison to modern navy so as to avoid confusion with Star Destroyers. IMO

You know what would have made the Raider better?

If it had been a Star Destroyer.

<<goes to pop some popcorn and wait for some action >>

You know what would have made the Raider better?

If it had been a Star Destroyer.

<<goes to pop some popcorn and wait for some action >>

Nah. It would be better if it wasn't a required buy for the TIE Advanced fix and the Emperor crew card

But then we wouldn't have the Emperor until the next appropriate two crew Imperial ship, which'd be Wave 9 at a minimum, and no TIE advanced in sight.

You know what would have made the Raider better?

If it had been a Star Destroyer.

<<goes to pop some popcorn and wait for some action >>

Nah. It would be better if it wasn't a required buy for the TIE Advanced fix and the Emperor crew card

Yeah, it really sucks that you need to buy StarVipers for Autothrusters, EU's, VI (still is) and SD's were for a long time only on large ships and A-Wings were for a long time the only place to get PTL.

If you want upgrades, you're going to buy stuff you may not necessarily want.

That's the model of the game.

I was examining my Raider last night with this thread in mind. There are two round hatches along the top spine that look like fore and aft submarine personnel ports. I imagine it entering an ISD's ventral bay and connecting two crew air locks vertically. One is the "up" passageway and the other is "down".

You know, if you trim the solar panels down a bit the main hull looks MUCH bigger...

You know, if you trim the solar panels down a bit the main hull looks MUCH bigger...

That's what she said.... :D

This thread had gone on way too long without another such joke...

I imagine it entering an ISD's ventral bay..

Oh, yeah you do...

I sense a disturbance...

You know, if you trim the solar panels down a bit the main hull looks MUCH bigger...

That's what she said.... :D

This thread had gone on way too long without another such joke...

I was wondering when it was gonna happen. All this talk about docking and offloading troops...

All this talk about docking and offloading troops...

Deploying thousands of tiny white soldiers...

All this talk about docking and offloading troops...

Deploying thousands of tiny white soldiers...

You mean the seamen?

No, I mean the Stormtroopers! White armour! Stormtroopers! Obviously!

You always have to take things too far, don't you Stones37. :P

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No, I mean the Stormtroopers! White armour! Stormtroopers! Obviously!

You always have to take things too far, don't you Stones37. :P

Sorry... I was being far too formal referring to them by common rank rather than by class. :D

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