Break a ship with an EPT!

By Reiver, in X-Wing

Rebel Y-wing unique pilots really do need an EPT slot. I wanna P.T.L. with my favorite but least played ship.

I think this could be a cool modification upgrade...

Maybe it could be less restrictive: "...You may equip this upgrade if you do not have the [EPT] icon in your action bar AND your pilot skill is 5 or higher".

well, the y-wings have access to the droid that grants an EPT, but it costs a point and takes your astro slot, and there are some really good astromechs

Academy pilot with PTL or predator or outmanuever

Garven with bodyguard. He spends the focus to give an elite pilot +1 agility at the start of combat, then gives them the focus to use as soon as they attack that round. Just got to be sure to keep him out of enemy arcs though...

Krassis Trelix with Predator, for 2-3 rerolls every round with every secondary weapon attack he makes.

Horton Salm with PtL, so you can target lock and focus for ordnance shots in the same round, and still take your astromech of choice, or use R2-D6 to add another EPT of your choosing.

honestly, All I can think about is SoT + int agent shuttles (and then cry because they don't exist :()

At least 3x ORS + Int Agent + Navigator exists though.

Slightly diverging off the original intention of the topic, but this has me imagining Tycho with Expert Handling, Daredevil, and Push the Limit, plus Experimental Interface. And if they had a crew slot on BTL-S3 Y-Wings in X-Wing, Drea Renthal (with TLT) and Dutch Vander with Weapons Engineer.

Garven with bodyguard.

Bodyguard is Scum-only. If it weren't for that, Garven + R2-D6 could already take it.

I don't think giving EPTs to Dutch or Horton would break them. If anything, it would actually make them playable.

I haven't seen anyone put Dutch or Horton on the table since before Wave V.

I actually like this idea. The only thing I would change on the suggested Custom Cockpit card is to make it unique, like Lone Wolf and Experimental Interface.

Tarn + R7 is a great candidate.

I also like Drea Renthal + R4-B11+ Extra Munitions + Proton Torp + ICT + Custom Cockpit + Crack Shot...not broken, but expensive and fun! Between forcing your opponent to reroll their defense dice and you rerolling all of your dice, you can cancel an evade result to push more damage through, to include the torp crit. With this config you can even use Crack Shot to push your Ion damage through if needed after your torps are depleted.

Lastly, I would like to see Predator on Graz the Hunter. It makes sense for a hunter to also be a predator, right? It would allow him to save focus for defense on the joust as needed while still getting modification. Lightning Reflexes and Crack Shot also go well with this pilot for a little cheaper.

I play Dutch all the time. He's not good.

I don't think giving EPTs to Dutch or Horton would break them. If anything, it would actually make them playable.

I haven't seen anyone put Dutch or Horton on the table since before Wave V.

I'm sure Horton will see play once the K-Wing is released. The Twin Laser Turret is just as good on him as it is on Miranda, he's cheaper, and occasionally you'll prefer an astromech to a crew member. Even Dutch might see play next to a missile boat K-Wing.

I don't think giving EPTs to Dutch or Horton would break them. If anything, it would actually make them playable.

I haven't seen anyone put Dutch or Horton on the table since before Wave V.

Edit - **** you, sneaky second page I didn't notice!

Edited by Rodafowa

Barrel rolling Lambdas!

Actually, Captain Kagi with Expert Handling would be really irritating. Everything at PS1-7, and possibly ships at PS8, has to lock on to you--and now you can shed a lock every round. His cost might still justify it, and it's not quite up to Biggs-level trolling, but it would be frustrating to play against.

I have wanted the ability to use Expert Handling with him for a long time. Alas, it was not meant to be.

Interesting ideas so far guys :)

Do note that the hilarity of shuttles and Marolo is why I specified it to be 'small ship only'. Much as I'd love to see EPT shuttles, it seemed prudent to be stingy on that point.

Miranda Doni with Outmanouver - interesting because she can SLAM to get into position for future rounds, but she can't use turret fire to hit things; outmanoeuvre requires the enemy to be in-arc.

All the excitement over Tycho - Yeah, he already starts with an EPT, so no triple-EPT builds, sorry. :P I wonder, though - would this let you get double-EPT on Arvel or the like? I'd not thought about the 'timing' of upgrade cards like that.

Horton/Dutch/Graz the Hunter - pretty much exactly who I made this upgrade to help. ;)

Making it unique would probably be a very FFG-style approach to have pop up, too. I don't see many places you'd break it if it wasn't, but it's fitting, and doesn't completely wreck its utility.

So the most brazen is still Torkil Mux? I suspect one of the major balancing aspects is that it is the modification slot; you can't slap PTL+Engine on a ship which started with neither. Actually, that helps balance out the K-wing too, a little. Hum... it seems like it's still pretty solid then, all told.

C'mon, surely there's something small-based and unique out there that justifies not having the EPT to start with, right? I mean, FFG keeps leaving them off for a reason... right? :ph34r:

Edited by Reiver

Backstabber with Opportunist.

2 attacks, +1 outside arc, +1 Opportunist (outside arc).

A 4 shot TIE can be fun...and cheaper than the Phantom (the only other 4 shot ship in the game).

Get in range 1 for 5 dice.

Edited by kellyj

Do note that the hilarity of shuttles and Marolo is why I specified it to be 'small ship only'. Much as I'd love to see EPT shuttles, it seemed prudent to be stingy on that point.

:lol:

FFG obviously wanted to avoid shuttle and large ship hilarity as this ept already states small only.

Edited by Managarmr

Yeah, if nothing else I guess it's just the sheer incongruity.

That, and wouldn't it just drive you nuts after finally cornering a big ship to fly off the board... and then it does a 1-straight-and-U-turn? ;)

Biggs with stealth device

Biggs with stealth device

Biggs with stealth device

even better, Biggs with Lone Wolf. Amirite?

Ehr, no?

PTL bombers?

Which would fix alot of problems with the bomber and/or ordnance, IMHO. This would make me a happy camper, a dream come true. (Since I really love the bomber!) :rolleyes:

So... plenty of awesome options, but nothing beyond a couple low-PS aces that could even vaugely cause issues?

Interesting. Now I wonder why they're so scared?

Future development space?

So... plenty of awesome options, but nothing beyond a couple low-PS aces that could even vaugely cause issues?

I broke your upgrade at post #4. And then I did it again at #10. I didn't do it again because I didn't want it to look like I was piling on, but this isn't a good idea.

Yes, there are a few pilots that don't have EPTs that could use them. That's a far cry from allowing every pilot without an EPT to get access to the slot, especially when it's easy to identify corner cases where there's at least a strong potential for disruption to game balance.

PTL bombers?

Which would fix alot of problems with the bomber and/or ordnance, IMHO. This would make me a happy camper, a dream come true. (Since I really love the bomber!) :rolleyes:

You can try with "Squad Leader" (e.g. with Howlrunner + Squad Leader)