I think this may be like most wanted, but with episode VII ships, and a way for people to buy in and start playing with everything they need without buying the original core set. that's the only decision that makes sense from a business standpoint.

Indeed. I'm not the first to mention it, but I'd say the Wave 8 announcement makes it extremely unlikely that any upcoming release will substantially alter the rules. Everything you own now will remain relevant, because doing anything else with the license would amount to a massive own-goal.

If X-wing 2.0 ever shows up, I guarantee that FFG will have a long, public lead time and a marketing campaign designed to convince us that we should switch to the new rule set.

So IF there is new product, will they just announce it on Sept 4 or will it be available on Sept 4? And if it is available, where? Is Barnes and Noble participating that day? Is there a chance other big name retailers (Target, Toys-R-Us, Walmart) could start carrying it?

It still strikes me as odd that they went ahead and put the boost reminder card in the wave eight Advanced prototype, if the new... Will have that ability in it.

It makes sense to me. If they didn't do that, then in theory someone could buy the advanced prototype and not have the boost rules. You have someone who got a core set some time ago but never really did much with X-Wing, got into Rebels in a big way and heard there will be Rebels ships in the game, so they're going to give it another chance.

FFG can't assume someone will buy both starter sets, or even buy the new one at all. So any future products will have to assume the "least common denominator" as it were.

Edit: I didn't think a new core set was likely before. But I'm guessing that FFG/LFL is hoping to get the new core set into some of the big box stores like Target and Walmart to cash in on the TFA frenzy. The first core set didn't do very well at Target after all.

I think this may be like most wanted, but with episode VII ships, and a way for people to buy in and start playing with everything they need without buying the original core set. that's the only decision that makes sense from a business standpoint.

Indeed. I'm not the first to mention it, but I'd say the Wave 8 announcement makes it extremely unlikely that any upcoming release will substantially alter the rules. Everything you own now will remain relevant, because doing anything else with the license would amount to a massive own-goal.

If X-wing 2.0 ever shows up, I guarantee that FFG will have a long, public lead time and a marketing campaign designed to convince us that we should switch to the new rule set.

I agree. FFG isn't just going to drop X-wing 2.0 on us out of the blue. That be a horrible idea from a business sense. No customer likes a bait and switch.

I think this may be like most wanted, but with episode VII ships, and a way for people to buy in and start playing with everything they need without buying the original core set. that's the only decision that makes sense from a business standpoint.

Indeed. I'm not the first to mention it, but I'd say the Wave 8 announcement makes it extremely unlikely that any upcoming release will substantially alter the rules. Everything you own now will remain relevant, because doing anything else with the license would amount to a massive own-goal.

If X-wing 2.0 ever shows up, I guarantee that FFG will have a long, public lead time and a marketing campaign designed to convince us that we should switch to the new rule set.

I agree. FFG isn't just going to drop X-wing 2.0 on us out of the blue. That be a horrible idea from a business sense. No customer likes a bait and switch.

Not just a bait-and-switch, but a bait-and-switch-and-bait. Which would work exactly as well as you'd think, at least on anything smarter than a piranha.

Wave 8 is going to be a massive flop if, at release, it's already been obsolete and unplayable for months. The Wave 8 previews look so much like "X-wing 1.0" that you could drop (e.g.) the Inquisitor into any Imperial list without a hiccup, if you made up a dial for him. Considered together, those facts should be pretty suggestive.

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

That would be unlikely given FFGs track record. If there is a new core there will be something in that box that will make players want to buy it that won't be found in individual ship expansions and vice-versa.

FFG will do something to get me to buy a fourth core set and at least one each of the corresponding expansions, and it won't be because of variant paint jobs.

What is EU?

I think this may be like most wanted, but with episode VII ships, and a way for people to buy in and start playing with everything they need without buying the original core set. that's the only decision that makes sense from a business standpoint.

Indeed. I'm not the first to mention it, but I'd say the Wave 8 announcement makes it extremely unlikely that any upcoming release will substantially alter the rules. Everything you own now will remain relevant, because doing anything else with the license would amount to a massive own-goal.

If X-wing 2.0 ever shows up, I guarantee that FFG will have a long, public lead time and a marketing campaign designed to convince us that we should switch to the new rule set.

I agree. FFG isn't just going to drop X-wing 2.0 on us out of the blue. That be a horrible idea from a business sense. No customer likes a bait and switch.

Exactly. Look at how they're managing Game of Thrones 2nd Edition (LCG). Lots of advanced notice (almost a year) and easing into it. They're smart like that.

A new starter is just a maybe. There is really no real need. A new rulebook and new damage deck and more dice would be welcome (as would new alternate paint job ships) but it isn't needed for the game's survival.

2.0 is completely not needed. New editions are money grabs or for broken systems or, occasionally, just bad music; FFG has all our money and is in more danger of losing money with a 2.0; Xwing is one of the most balanced games I've ever played and besides the 2 ship meta on tourney play doesn't need a shake up outside of new content; and an FFG produced Xwing themed boyband is probably the only Xwing product I wouldn't buy!

The 3 SKUs are still most likely to be the new tie, new Xwing, and new shuttle. If they combine 2 to 1 then maybe it's something else we don't even know about yet! Also more exciting to me than 2.0.

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

I think it's probably going to happen like you said. The rule book maybe updated (should) but long time players will have the FAQ and won't need to buy it. This keeps the current players happy, new players are happy, FFG controls costs and makes money. Everyone is happy, no one gets screwed and the games will continue.

What is EU?

It'll either be Expanded Universe, Engine Upgrade, or European Union depending on the context.

Expanded Universe refers to all of the Star Wars books, comics, and video games.

Maybe a silly question and out of place here, but why so much talk about a new damage deck? I've seen it come up in multiple threads and haven't read a good reason for it.

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

I think it's probably going to happen like you said. The rule book maybe updated (should) but long time players will have the FAQ and won't need to buy it. This keeps the current players happy, new players are happy, FFG controls costs and makes money. Everyone is happy, no one gets screwed and the games will continue.

No way FFG would let an opportunity to sell something to existing players pass them by. If they release a new core set there will be something in the box that makes existing players want to buy it (in addition to everything else they release).

FFG will do something to get me to buy a fourth core set and at least one each of the corresponding expansions, and it won't be because of variant paint jobs.

Yeah, I fully plan on getting at least 1 of each, even though I have no real need for another core or even more X's and Tie's. I'm sure there will be upgrades and pilots I want from all 3 packages.

What I'm really hoping is that if they put a fix for the X-Wing in, which seems likely, they'll include at least 2 per box.

What is EU?

Expanded Universe, although now it's called Legends. That's all the old books, comics, games, ect.. that came out before Disney changed things.

The 3 SKUs are still most likely to be the new tie, new Xwing, and new shuttle.

We can't talk about it much, but we already know for sure what one of the 3 new SKU's are. It's almost a given that the other two will be a X-Wing and Tie Fighter expansion pack.

I've seen it come up in multiple threads and haven't read a good reason for it.

A good reason is kinda subjective.

Some people feel that with all the additional upgrade types they've put into the game the damage deck could/should be updated.

For example there's no way to remove a system upgrade from a ship via a crit.

Maybe a silly question and out of place here, but why so much talk about a new damage deck? I've seen it come up in multiple threads and haven't read a good reason for it.

A lot of people think the current damage deck sucks and too many of the criticals are weak or meaningless and have been advocating for a new damage deck for a while. If a new core set were released it would need to come with a damage deck,so why not make it new and improved?

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

I think it's probably going to happen like you said. The rule book maybe updated (should) but long time players will have the FAQ and won't need to buy it. This keeps the current players happy, new players are happy, FFG controls costs and makes money. Everyone is happy, no one gets screwed and the games will continue.

No way FFG would let an opportunity to sell something to existing players pass them by. If they release a new core set there will be something in the box that makes existing players want to buy it (in addition to everything else they release).

I'm not entirely sold on that idea. I think FFG has more smarts than GW. I could be wrong considering how cards are packed with different ships but gut feeling says the important stuff will be in the other two expansions.

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

I think it's probably going to happen like you said. The rule book maybe updated (should) but long time players will have the FAQ and won't need to buy it. This keeps the current players happy, new players are happy, FFG controls costs and makes money. Everyone is happy, no one gets screwed and the games will continue.

No way FFG would let an opportunity to sell something to existing players pass them by. If they release a new core set there will be something in the box that makes existing players want to buy it (in addition to everything else they release).

I'm not entirely sold on that idea. I think FFG has more smarts than GW. I could be wrong considering how cards are packed with different ships but gut feeling says the important stuff will be in the other two expansions.

I don't think that FFG will do anything to screw players. Assuming that pricing on a new core and expansions follows the current pricing and that the new ships included in those products fill a similar niche in lists as the original ones do buying a core set will be the cheapest way to get the new ships, all of the rest of the crap in the box is free. I suspect that there will be a lot of existing players that would end up buying 2 new cores and one of each individual ship expansion for the pilots that only come in the individual blisters. That would let them fly a squad of 3 of the Rebel ship and a mini-swarm of 5 of the Imperial ship.

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

I think it's probably going to happen like you said. The rule book maybe updated (should) but long time players will have the FAQ and won't need to buy it. This keeps the current players happy, new players are happy, FFG controls costs and makes money. Everyone is happy, no one gets screwed and the games will continue.

No way FFG would let an opportunity to sell something to existing players pass them by. If they release a new core set there will be something in the box that makes existing players want to buy it (in addition to everything else they release).

I'm not entirely sold on that idea. I think FFG has more smarts than GW. I could be wrong considering how cards are packed with different ships but gut feeling says the important stuff will be in the other two expansions.

I don't think that FFG will do anything to screw players. Assuming that pricing on a new core and expansions follows the current pricing and that the new ships included in those products fill a similar niche in lists as the original ones do buying a core set will be the cheapest way to get the new ships, all of the rest of the crap in the box is free. I suspect that there will be a lot of existing players that would end up buying 2 new cores and one of each individual ship expansion for the pilots that only come in the individual blisters. That would let them fly a squad of 3 of the Rebel ship and a mini-swarm of 5 of the Imperial ship.

Looking at it that way I'm inclined to agree with you. I had so much extra stuff from 3 core sets I gave one to a friend to give him a nudge into the game.

You've kicked my curiosity into high. I was content to quietly wait for 9/4. The operative word being was.

What if....

There are three product numbers right? What if one is the new game with revised rules and damage deck, another is the new X-Wing and TIE combo or aces pack and the last is a standalone rules and damage deck release.

Maybe a silly question and out of place here, but why so much talk about a new damage deck? I've seen it come up in multiple threads and haven't read a good reason for it.

A lot of people think the current damage deck sucks and too many of the criticals are weak or meaningless and have been advocating for a new damage deck for a while. If a new core set were released it would need to come with a damage deck,so why not make it new and improved?

I agree that a new damage deck would be exciting but there's only 3 ways this could go.

1) You may only use the new damage deck in any games and the old damage decks should be thrown away. This makes everyone buy a new starter set and doesn't make sense because there are still old starter sets being sold/made.

2) You must combine the old and new decks. This is impossible simply because the cards look different. Just looking at the cards in the deck you would be able to narrow down what critical effect you are looking at thus eliminating the truly random critical effect.

3) You may choose either the old or the new deck to play with. This could be interesting since you'd be choosing which deck could potentially harm your build less. Or make it to where your opponent must play with the deck you bring. I'm not really a fan of this option though.

If there is a new core set, and if the new core set does have a different damage deck, I could see FFG pushing to get that to be the standard for the next tournament season. Maybe they'll sell the deck as PoD for $10 and require it for everything from store championships on up. A few people will buy the deck PoD, but most will say, "I might as well get the cool new ships and cards while I'm at it," and pick up the new core.

[PoD = Print on Demand]

if a new core set is on its way shouldn't there be something to bring up the current core sets (still being sold in stores) playable to the new standards?

At least Games Workshop buys back from retailers the codex's and models that are being phased out.

What new standards? Everything in the original Core Set still works. It's not like a game where a new edition came out and now none of the old stuff works with the new rules.

Just because there are new ships in the new set doesn't mean the old ones are illegal. Yeah, you might not WANT to use them because they might not competitive with the new ones, but you still CAN.

And I'm betting the new TIE won't obsolete the old one, since there's a new ship on the way that's still coming packaged with the old TIEs.

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

I think it's probably going to happen like you said. The rule book maybe updated (should) but long time players will have the FAQ and won't need to buy it. This keeps the current players happy, new players are happy, FFG controls costs and makes money. Everyone is happy, no one gets screwed and the games will continue.

No way FFG would let an opportunity to sell something to existing players pass them by. If they release a new core set there will be something in the box that makes existing players want to buy it (in addition to everything else they release).

I'm not entirely sold on that idea. I think FFG has more smarts than GW. I could be wrong considering how cards are packed with different ships but gut feeling says the important stuff will be in the other two expansions.

I don't think that FFG will do anything to screw players. Assuming that pricing on a new core and expansions follows the current pricing and that the new ships included in those products fill a similar niche in lists as the original ones do buying a core set will be the cheapest way to get the new ships, all of the rest of the crap in the box is free. I suspect that there will be a lot of existing players that would end up buying 2 new cores and one of each individual ship expansion for the pilots that only come in the individual blisters. That would let them fly a squad of 3 of the Rebel ship and a mini-swarm of 5 of the Imperial ship.

Looking at it that way I'm inclined to agree with you. I had so much extra stuff from 3 core sets I gave one to a friend to give him a nudge into the game.

You've kicked my curiosity into high. I was content to quietly wait for 9/4. The operative word being was.

The asteroids included look a bit different in shape... so there's that.

Deleted the link. Thanks for the hint WWHSD. Did not think things through.