Will we be getting kits so we can upgrade our 1-3 core sets to the new standard of play?

So rumors are flying around, episode 7 ships which are like episode 4 ships only better and now a new core set. A little premature if you ask me but I will be okay as long as they do the following:

Release upgrade kits that have all the new standard components so you can take a classic core set and combine it with this kit and make it so now you got the tools needed to play standard 2nd edition. What it needs assuming that everything is new and not in the 1st edition core set.

• new damage deck cards to update existing damage decks
• new maneuver and range templates if any new maneuver templates are made
• new dice if any new dice are made
• new action tokens (if any)
• new obstacle tokens (not mission tokens)
• Rule booklet 2nd edition (or a summary booklet of all new rules and changes made to the core rule set.)

What is not needed (we can go ahead and buy a 2nd edition core set)

• Any components that is already in the 1st edition core set (a given)
• Models and base asembly
• maneuver dials
• pilot cards and tiles
• upgrade cards
• mission tokens

So any opinions about this?

I'm more curious about the other two product codes. Good bet they are just the ... for the things in the.... Still hoping we'll get two new things as well. Like say a new Falcon or other combo pack. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed in a set of acrylic tokens and templates either. There's still some potential to be surprised yet. I hope. I BELIEVE IN FORCE DAY SANTA! Lol

But on another note, won't this thread just get deleted too? Why bother dude?

But on another note, won't this thread just get deleted too? Why bother dude?

Well I didn't said we are I said "if"? Also no spoilers were posted so the post is still hypothetical, just saying if a new core set is on its way shouldn't there be something to bring up the current core sets (still being sold in stores) playable to the new standards?

At least Games Workshop buys back from retailers the codex's and models that are being phased out.

Well I'd have to hope it would be update ready. Or something like would be coming.

But seriously man. It's pretty obvious from your intro paragraph that there's a ... Coming soon. Why else would the old ones need updated 'to the new standard of play'?

Impossible to say until we actually know what changes a 2nd ed/new starter set would contain. So far the idea of a new (altered) damage deck is pure wish listing with not a shred of evidence to back it up. Maneuver templates that are anything more than an updated graphic design seems totally absurd. Dice, of course will be identical. With the new way FFG handles obstacles in tournaments a different set of asteroids is an optional acquisition.

So far, there isn't anything suggesting a new starter set couldn't be treated just like any regular expansion by those who are already playing. New ships and upgrades and more tokens that we don't need. At most, all I can see being "required" elements to replace would be a new rulebook, IF such a starter set included a second edition of the rules that cleaned up and fixed assorted problems and clutter. Anything else will be an optional addition to the game, not required to play.

It is way too early to cry the sky is falling. There will probably be both options for core sets with both being compatible with core game.

The other two missing SKUs are likely the corresponding expansion packs to the rumored new ships in the core. If there is indeed a new core set why would that mean 2.0? Plenty of game have multiple starter set. Isn't it possible they want to grab new players based on the popularity of the new movies and that makes another jumping on point? They aren't going to anger the fans of their best selling game by far and risk losing players. Most likely Resistance=Rebels and First Order=Empire. If sales start to wane I could see a new edition, but not this quickly when they sell ships as fast as they can print them.

Impossible to say until we actually know what changes a 2nd ed/new starter set would contain. So far the idea of a new (altered) damage deck is pure wish listing with not a shred of evidence to back it up. Maneuver templates that are anything more than an updated graphic design seems totally absurd. Dice, of course will be identical. With the new way FFG handles obstacles in tournaments a different set of asteroids is an optional acquisition.

So far, there isn't anything suggesting a new starter set couldn't be treated just like any regular expansion by those who are already playing. New ships and upgrades and more tokens that we don't need. At most, all I can see being "required" elements to replace would be a new rulebook, IF such a starter set included a second edition of the rules that cleaned up and fixed assorted problems and clutter. Anything else will be an optional addition to the game, not required to play.

This. It appears to be "more options" as opposed to a straight up replacement of anything that already exists. The new damage deck could just have a new back with the same cards. New obstacles are just more options like debris was. New arrows on bank templates are just showing Segnor's loop is possible like straights have always had the K-turn graphic. It would be silly, and a HUGE pain in the arse, to release updated cards for everything that already exists. If they made all older ships obsolete without a huge notice before hand they would lose a ton of players. You can't "surprise" retire a game the day a new, unknown, version is released. "SURPRISE! Episode 7 ships are here and available to buy! Oh and all of your old ships are worthless and incompatible".

If there is indeed a new core set why would that mean 2.0? Plenty of game have multiple starter set. Isn't it possible they want to grab new players based on the popularity of the new movies and that makes another jumping on point?

It's certainly possible. Like I said above, there is no real indication of substantive changes being made to the game.

A second edition is pretty strongly needed though to clean up inconsistencies, consolidate rules that have been added, fix a few problem areas and so on. Logically, a new starter set would be an excellent time and place to do those things. Virtually everything that a 2nd edition needs to do could be done with a new rulebook and maybe a small amount of errata, and nothing more.

If it is a "second edition", you may as well hope your idea of a scaled-down partial starter kit also includes a c3po crew card and the new tie advanced upgrades.

An updated rulebook (with most of the common rule cards and such added) would be nice with a theoretical and purely hypothetical future new starter set to perhaps be revealed at an unknown date in the future, if at all.

If there is indeed a new core set why would that mean 2.0? Plenty of game have multiple starter set. Isn't it possible they want to grab new players based on the popularity of the new movies and that makes another jumping on point?

It's certainly possible. Like I said above, there is no real indication of substantive changes being made to the game.

A second edition is pretty strongly needed though to clean up inconsistencies, consolidate rules that have been added, fix a few problem areas and so on. Logically, a new starter set would be an excellent time and place to do those things. Virtually everything that a 2nd edition needs to do could be done with a new rulebook and maybe a small amount of errata, and nothing more.

I believe they have said that any new product or changes to existing product must be approved by Lucasfilms/Disney. This is why we don't see reprinted cards fixing errors. I would imagine this could take a while with the new movies coming out and Lucasfilms have a lot on their plate. I'm not saying that possible changes haven't been in the works for a while, but that would mean they were already planning a revamp a long time ago when the game was still selling like mad.

If nothing else FFG could save them selves quite a lot in production cost if the new ... rule book eliminated the need for all the rules addition cards they have to slip into packs. Like for modifications, titles, and boost and stuff. Probably the main reason this ... is happening. The fact that the wave 8 ship's still have those cards in their picture previews had me confident that the missing SKU codes didn't include a new... Because then there would be no need for them.

If nothing else FFG could save them selves quite a lot in production cost if the new ... rule book eliminated the need for all the rules addition cards they have to slip into packs. Like for modifications, titles, and boost and stuff. Probably the main reason this ... is happening. The fact that the wave 8 ship's still have those cards in their picture previews had me confident that the missing SKU codes didn't include a new... Because then there would be no need for them.

Well wave 8 will be out long after the rumored Sept 4th release. So wave 8 would still add new mechanics. The Wave 8 announcement also makes the idea of the older stuff becoming obsolete seem extremely unlikely. Wave 8 comes out months after Sept 4th and it sure won't sell well if its retired before its even released...

The other two missing SKUs are likely the corresponding expansion packs to the rumored new ships in the core. If there is indeed a new core set why would that mean 2.0? Plenty of game have multiple starter set. Isn't it possible they want to grab new players based on the popularity of the new movies and that makes another jumping on point? They aren't going to anger the fans of their best selling game by far and risk losing players. Most likely Resistance=Rebels and First Order=Empire. If sales start to wane I could see a new edition, but not this quickly when they sell ships as fast as they can print them.

If there is indeed a new core set why would that mean 2.0? Plenty of game have multiple starter set. Isn't it possible they want to grab new players based on the popularity of the new movies and that makes another jumping on point?

It's certainly possible. Like I said above, there is no real indication of substantive changes being made to the game.

A second edition is pretty strongly needed though to clean up inconsistencies, consolidate rules that have been added, fix a few problem areas and so on. Logically, a new starter set would be an excellent time and place to do those things. Virtually everything that a 2nd edition needs to do could be done with a new rulebook and maybe a small amount of errata, and nothing more.

I believe they have said that any new product or changes to existing product must be approved by Lucasfilms/Disney. This is why we don't see reprinted cards fixing errors. I would imagine this could take a while with the new movies coming out and Lucasfilms have a lot on their plate. I'm not saying that possible changes haven't been in the works for a while, but that would mean they were already planning a revamp a long time ago when the game was still selling like mad.

I doubt it is about game play errors that Disney cares about and more of the lore do the ships look close to Disney products and does the names and what not matches with the Disney owned characters and their cut of the profits is what Disney would be concerned with the most. As for why new cards are not issued when they have been errata or changed such as Tactician now having the limited rule is simply that it would be too expensive and too much of a logistical nightmare to replace every single one of a particular card and a front page FAQ entry would be much more reasonable.

As for multiple starter sets that why I left the (if any) caveat in many of the what an upgrade kit should have. True the differences between starter sets like 40k Battle for Maccarage and Black Reach were just models and a rule book then yes an update kit would not be necessary.

So if the hypothetical new core set that may or may not be on the horizon was released and all it had that were different from the original core set are the models, pilot and upgrade cards, ship tiles, mission tokens (and a few obstacles that can be used in standard), and the rule booklet, then sure the original core set is perfectly fine and I can take my original core set along with wave 1-8 ships and still play a game against someone that has got the latest and greatest 2nd edition core set.

However if the 2nd edition does include something that changes the components required for a standard game (such as new dice, or new damage cards) then I think an update kit will be needed as the 1st edition core set would no longer be compatible with the 2nd edition core set.

If nothing else FFG could save them selves quite a lot in production cost if the new ... rule book eliminated the need for all the rules addition cards they have to slip into packs. Like for modifications, titles, and boost and stuff. Probably the main reason this ... is happening. The fact that the wave 8 ship's still have those cards in their picture previews had me confident that the missing SKU codes didn't include a new... Because then there would be no need for them.

Well wave 8 will be out long after the rumored Sept 4th release. So wave 8 would still add new mechanics. The Wave 8 announcement also makes the idea of the older stuff becoming obsolete seem extremely unlikely. Wave 8 comes out months after Sept 4th and it sure won't sell well if its retired before its even released...

If nothing else FFG could save them selves quite a lot in production cost if the new ... rule book eliminated the need for all the rules addition cards they have to slip into packs. Like for modifications, titles, and boost and stuff. Probably the main reason this ... is happening. The fact that the wave 8 ship's still have those cards in their picture previews had me confident that the missing SKU codes didn't include a new... Because then there would be no need for them.

Well wave 8 will be out long after the rumored Sept 4th release. So wave 8 would still add new mechanics. The Wave 8 announcement also makes the idea of the older stuff becoming obsolete seem extremely unlikely. Wave 8 comes out months after Sept 4th and it sure won't sell well if its retired before its even released...

I think we're on the same page. It still strikes me as odd that they went ahead and put the boost reminder card in the wave eight Advanced prototype, if the new... Will have that ability in it. Other then a consolidated book of rules I very much doubt after some thought that this is going to be anywhere close to a second ed, and more just a alternate kit to get going with. Honestly I'd be surprised if even the damage deck was modified. I still think a second edd is a few years off.

Power creep is less of a concern of mine. My main concern is compatibility. Now of course if these new models have stats improved and not much more on the point cost then I'll admit I would be annoyed mainly because I defended them in keeping old wave 1 stuff relevant this long, but power creep is inevitable in any living game. Take a look at the new hearthstone expansion, there are a few cards that are literally core set cards (not the good ones though) with either better stats or less mana cost. Straight up power creep in there even if they were bad cards that are just a little less bad.

Still I want to be able to play a legal standard game no matter which core set I buy. If I buy the second edition one then good it should be updated with everything. However if all I have is classic edition and my collection will I be out of luck once 2nd edition hits unless I cough up $40 for the newer edition set? Sure I have no problem handing over a lot more than $40 for the new expansions but those were my options and on my own volition. If I didn't buy every ship in the latest wave I could still play a standard game with the ships from the previous wave. When Wave 5 was prereleased and all I had was Wave 4 stuff that didn't prevent me from playing against Wave 5 ship with Wave 1-4 ships. What assurances do I have that Wave 1-7 ships will still be legal playing against 2nd edition ships?

I just want to make sure the player base is not split by this.

I think the new set is going to include all of the new cleaned up rules and the two years of erratas, including a section on EPIC, since that can be played for real... now.

I think it will contain what we know and love, and yes we will all need to buy it. The core ships we all own will still be compatible with the new improved game.

I am buying three... and I love that there is FINALLY a new rule update.

I think people need to take a step back and wait for whatever comes. It's went from some not too great pictures with no rules leak to a whole new 2nd edition game.

Honestly do you not think if FFG were going to fundamentally change the game they would do it with a lot of notice. (think Game of Thrones) They are not just going to drop a product that invalidates everything before it.

I'd hope the rule book included all the errata etc as then everybody could figure ok, you buy the "other" basic set and then you know you have all the updated rulings. If this came with updated reference cards (think cloaking) then that would be great.

Pity we aren't still speculating about what all the new ships are going to be and not this.

The only new thing I can....well... you can call it an educated guess is initiative token, a very usefull thing in tourneys, it wasn't in first started because of all "Empire always has initiative" stuff

I'd be surprised if this was a new edition. I expect it to be a collection and collation of existing rules, with two new factions. First Order and Resistance.

I'm more curious about the other two product codes. Good bet they are just the ... for the things in the.... Still hoping we'll get two new things as well. Like say a new Falcon or other combo pack. I wouldn't be terribly disappointed in a set of acrylic tokens and templates either. There's still some potential to be surprised yet. I hope. I BELIEVE IN FORCE DAY SANTA! Lol

But on another note, won't this thread just get deleted too? Why bother dude?

The other 2 are probably the Tie Figher and X-Wing separate..

I'd be surprised if this was a new edition. I expect it to be a collection and collation of existing rules, with two new factions. First Order and Resistance.

This is my opinion, too. But I don't want to collect 5 factions. And I also don't want to collect ugly EU-Ships anymore.

I canceled my wave 7 pre-order, yesterday. Untill the official new Starter Box announcement with new informations about what's going on, I'll not order any ships.

I want my armed and dangerous X-Wings back on table!

The upcoming page shows the original core set being reprinted. I believe the new core set will be a virtual copy of the original with some new pilot cards. Those new cards will also be available in the additional new xwing and tie figher individual blisters thereby allowing you to get the new cards without having to buy the new core set.

No matter what happens, I want a little spice for my X-Wings. Whether that's a title, new Astros, updated stats, new stuff all together, I don't care. I just want X-Wings to be super tasty and relevant.

I think this may be like most wanted, but with episode VII ships, and a way for people to buy in and start playing with everything they need without buying the original core set. that's the only decision that makes sense from a business standpoint.