So Horton+Corvette has been a thing, but Esege+Corvette?

By Corellian Corvette, in X-Wing

Horton DUTCH has been the CR90's pal for a while now, but could that friendship see a rival now?

Can the Huge ships use Esege(+Recon Spec's) focuses when firing? Doesn't really help on the Single Turbo Lasers, but helps on the main gun and the 2 other secondaries!

Edited by Corellian Corvette

Focus, Evade, and Stress Tokens

Focus, evade, and stress tokens do not affect huge ships.

As per Huge Ship Rules page 4.

So, I would read that as no, Tuketu can not assist a CR-90.

How does Horton interact with the CR90? Haven't seen that?

HERP DERP DUTCH

Dutch takes target lock, lets corvette take target lock, corvette has weapons engineer, takes 2 target locks.

If Dutch has R5K6 and the droid works, the Corvette can on the fly, switch it's target locks to potentially more valuable targets, 2 PS's before it fires.

It frees up your Aft to take another action, basically, wither that action is a coordinate, or some crew ability like stripping tokens with Toryn.

If dutch bumps, but you have targeting coordinator, you can still do the thing, but at the cost of an energy.

Plus, ion cannon turrets around huge ships is a health hazard for being run over :P

Edited by Corellian Corvette

I suspect the CR90 can't use Esege's focus tokens ... but the wording allows ambiguity to me. You're not assigning a focus from Esege to the CR90.

The CR90 "may treat" Esege's "focus tokens as its own"? That means they are still Esege's tokens, working on the CR90's dice.

Does this sidestep the no-Focus rule for Huge? It seems pretty absolute.

Is there a precedent we can refer to? Maybe the blue target lock token. There are lots of effects where a ship without the target lock action may "acquire" a TL, and this goes for even ships that are stressed. I don't know if that sheds any light on this situation...

Jonus and the raider are best friends

Is there a precedent we can refer to? Maybe the blue target lock token. There are lots of effects where a ship without the target lock action may "acquire" a TL, and this goes for even ships that are stressed. I don't know if that sheds any light on this situation...

The closest parallel I can think of is Latts Razzi's ability, but that's worded differently.

I prefer running Roark Garnet as my escort for the Corvette. Shooting all those big guns at PS 12 is a great way to eliminate an enemy fighter or two well before they can return fire.

The CR90 "may treat" Esege's "focus tokens as its own"? That means they are still Esege's tokens, working on the CR90's dice.

Does this sidestep the no-Focus rule for Huge? It seems pretty absolute.

Nope. This doesn't get around it. The rule is pretty clear that the tokens themselves do nothing for huge ships.

"Focus, Evade, and Stress Tokens

Focus, evade, and stress tokens do not affect huge ships. When a huge ship receives any of these tokens, immediately remove them and return them to the token supply."

Edited by WWHSD

Decided to look up the complete wording with regards to actions and other gifts

Focus, Evade, and Stress Tokens:

Focus, evade, and stress tokens do not affect huge ships. When a huge ship receives any of these tokens, immediately remove them and return them to the token supply.

Free Actions:
Huge ships cannot perform free actions.
So we know that they cannot be gifted actions via Lando's falcon, anyone with Squad Leader, or Craken. Additionally, they cannot receive tokens via Garven or Kyle.
BUT, these are tokens that are never passed to the Corvette in the first place, and are effecting the attacks, which still might not work.
Granted, this is kinda like adding a 31 point upgrade to your Corvette anyways, but if you wanted to do it, go ahead! xD
(I don't think this would be overpowered, because 31 points is a LOT even in epic.)
Edited by Corellian Corvette

BUT, these are tokens that are never passed to the Corvette in the first place, and are effecting the attacks, which still might not work.

There is no trigger for a Huge ship to spend a focus token on an attack so there is no way for it to use Esege's token. If Esege's ability was worded such that Esege may spend his focus tokens to modify a friendly ship's attack as if they were his own then he would be some assistance to huge ships.

It still seems really clear to me. They don't affect the ship in any way. You try using the focus from the kwing and it cannot affect the corvette in any way, it doesn't matter who owns the focus. You wouldn't have to return the focus it just would have no effect.

BUT, these are tokens that are never passed to the Corvette in the first place, and are effecting the attacks, which still might not work.

There is no trigger for a Huge ship to spend a focus token on an attack so there is no way for it to use Esege's token. If Esege's ability was worded such that Esege may spend his focus tokens to modify a friendly ship's attack as if they were his own then he would be some assistance to huge ships.

It doesn't say they don't attack like normal ships, so why would they be missing the trigger? It just says huge ships are not affected by the tokens, like stress.

To be fair, your probably right on that it doesn't work, but looking at the rules, I don't see anywhere that is says "cannot spend/use focus tokens when attacking".

BUT, these are tokens that are never passed to the Corvette in the first place, and are effecting the attacks, which still might not work.

There is no trigger for a Huge ship to spend a focus token on an attack so there is no way for it to use Esege's token. If Esege's ability was worded such that Esege may spend his focus tokens to modify a friendly ship's attack as if they were his own then he would be some assistance to huge ships.

It doesn't say they don't attack like normal ships, so why would they be missing the trigger? It just says huge ships are not affected by the tokens, like stress.

To be fair, your probably right on that it doesn't work, but looking at the rules, I don't see anywhere that is says "cannot spend/use focus tokens when attacking".

Honestly rules as written you could probably spend the kwing's focus, it just wouldn't change any eyeballs to hits since the corvette doesn't say it can't spend tokens, just that they have no effect.

BUT, these are tokens that are never passed to the Corvette in the first place, and are effecting the attacks, which still might not work.

There is no trigger for a Huge ship to spend a focus token on an attack so there is no way for it to use Esege's token. If Esege's ability was worded such that Esege may spend his focus tokens to modify a friendly ship's attack as if they were his own then he would be some assistance to huge ships.

It doesn't say they don't attack like normal ships, so why would they be missing the trigger? It just says huge ships are not affected by the tokens, like stress.

To be fair, your probably right on that it doesn't work, but looking at the rules, I don't see anywhere that is says "cannot spend/use focus tokens when attacking".

Honestly rules as written you could probably spend the kwing's focus, it just wouldn't change any eyeballs to hits since the corvette doesn't say it can't spend tokens, just that they have no effect.

Alright, that convinces me.

Darn, I cant put a 31 point upgrade on my corvette :/

I think the words "It may treat your focus tokens as its own" are key. He technically is passing the token, but just at the moment you spend it. But I dunno, its pretty ambiguous.

I think the words "It may treat your focus tokens as its own" are key. He technically is passing the token, but just at the moment you spend it. But I dunno, its pretty ambiguous.

Esege's ability lets the Corvette treat the focus tokens as its own.

Then, you follow the Huge ship rules, which state that focus tokens have no effect.

Ergo, you can't actually spend the token to modify dice.

This is the only card that can allow the huge ship to do anything with focus results on attack dice.

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So with that being said I can see the Corellian Captain build (CR-90 with Han Solo <Crew>) and the Varaider (Raider with Vader <crew>) being the two main huge warship builds in Epic because of their ability to ensure attacks turn into damage.

Edited by Marinealver

This is the only card that can allow the huge ship to do anything with focus results on attack dice.

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So with that being said I can see the Corellian Captain build (CR-90 with Han Solo <Crew>) and the Varaider (Raider with Vader <crew>) being the two main huge warship builds in Epic because of their ability to ensure attacks turn into damage.

Luke and Palpatine disagree. Callus will as well as soon as he gets here>

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Flight Instructor doesn't do anything for attack dice but he'd like to point out that maybe he isn't useless on a huge ship.

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Flight Instructor doesn't do anything for attack dice but he'd like to point out that maybe he isn't useless on a huge ship.

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Flight Instructor looks at all the zero agility huge ships and sighs.

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Puts the stars in your eyes just as well as Han does.

Unfortunately rebels don't have a reroll mechanic like Jonus :(

Single Turbolasers + Jonus? Re-roll 2 of your 4 dice and turn an eye into a hit. Repeat 3 times.

(Or, take a quad gun, reroll the hits and cause a miss, therefore triggering gunner. And while your firing your main gun 3 times, take howelrunner for a simple reroll as well!)

All rebels have is a Gunnery Team, which is kinda garbage.

Only one per turn, and on secondary weapons only, can you spend 1 energy to turn a blank into a hit. Well, if you have 4 attacks and only 2 target locks, I guess it could help out...

Edited by Corellian Corvette

"do not affect huge ships" sounds pretty unambiguous to me. It has no effect.

Unfortunately rebels don't have a reroll mechanic like Jonus :(

On the other hand, Imperials can't have the Raider concentrate all firepower at PS12 like the Rebels.

Nor can the Imperials safely cower in the shadow of an EM-emitting Raider when Dengar (crew) is aboard.

It's all balanced, even if they're not the same. ;).

I do hope any Scum ships do not come with illicit upgrades, Glitterstim on a Huge would be brutal.