No.

But if, for some odd reason, they do decide to make the new ships superior, they can always just increase their point cost to hold onto balance (to an extent)

A hypothetical new Tie with maybe a gun and copilot as in the movie teaser trailer, would also cost a lot.

Not all hypothetical TIEs are the same. The common black and white one doesn't have extra guns or crew. It's the black/white with red stripe one that has the cogs and extra guns and crew.

I am wondering, but have not seen this directly discussed...if FFG creates ships from the new movies for the Flight Path system, will it all be in the same game as X-Wing? Since Ep. VII is 30 years later, will the tech advances and timing make the ships mutually exclusive? It seems to me like they would--it would be like putting modern jet fighters up against WWII anes, not to mention the named pilots would be out of their own times.

But then again, I have always been more concerned with the "story" atmosphere of the game. Maybe most people don't really care that much? Or will it be the same game, but with rules saying which ships belong to which era, along with rules for introducing vintage/salvaged old ships?

I know nobody knows, just wondering g if people are speculating.

F-15s are 30 years old!! just saying... granted they have been updated and are slightly different from the older F-15A's we now have F-15cs and Es.. F-4s went all the way from F-4A to S.. B-52 first flight was in 1952!! and its still in the Airforce!!

You also have to remember that by the time of the Original Trilogy, the Falcon was already decades old. Even with refits, you have to see that the age of the ship matters less.

Technological progress seems to be relatively stagnant. Its more what people are capable of doing with the technology, rather than new technology being developed.

In reality big wars very often led to huge advances in technology. Then, of course, Star Wars is entirely fiction.

No.

But if, for some odd reason, they do decide to make the new ships superior, they can always just increase their point cost to hold onto balance (to an extent)

If we hypothetically were to get a T70 X-wing with e.g. more straight greens and boost, then this one would be probably 30+, depending on the pilots. A hypothetical new Tie with maybe a gun and copilot as in the movie teaser trailer, would also cost a lot. With a hypothetically new base set, people new to the game would have problems to fly more than 3 T70 within a 100-pt frame. Not much fun when wanting to play many-fighters-skirmishes like they probably will be in ForceAwakens movie.

One way to get around the problem might be, that any new ships from a new base set could have their own points scheme. If they are to be fielded against ships from the current game, then their point value could be multiplicated by a certain factor, like e.g. 1.3.

Idk, one more straight green, boost, and an extra HP doesn't seem like it would increase the cost by that much. It's a jouster afterall and the original x-wing was already overpriced considering the b-wing. I feel like running 4 with no upgrades MIGHT be possible. We'll have to see. There might be more to the new x-wing than was spoiled, though.

It's really personal preference that I would like to be able to run more than 3 in a 100pnt match

one thing most folks forget is that the overall performance of newer craft may be actually less than the original... in the case of the F-15 and 16 both newer versions the over all performance was less than the originals due to weight gain!!(Mainly from extra fuel) however electronic performance was increased as was range. once engine technology caught up performance was once again on par with the earlier aircraft. but I was thinking why would we see an up dated X wing instead of a newer E wing? wasn't it supposedly better in all aspects? it is most certainly cheaper than a heavily revised/designed newer X-wing?? I know I am applying logic to Star Wars..lol

but yeah the new T-70s should cost more points wise.. but by how much?? if they cost the same who would use the T-65?? just hope it doesn't unbalance the game as they have been doing a GREAT job.. also sucks that Rogue squadron is looking like it will be less likely to appear!

If we ever do get N-1's mine will be repainted before ever seeing a table. Hated the gold.

The T-70s though, very interesting.

Actually the F15 basic frame is almost 40 years old. 1976 to 2015 is 39.

It's a jouster afterall and the original x-wing was already overpriced considering the b-wing.

Yeah, if you figure in a natural discount of 2-3 points because the X-Wing is 2-3 points too high right now, you could give a new X-Wing a buff without increasing the price too much.

You could for example give it 5 points worth of buff, but only increase the base price by 2-3 points. So the base cost of a PS2 would be 23-24 points. Then you could put in a title that would also cost 2-3 points, and give existing X-Wings all the same upgrades as the new ones. so you could still do 4 PS2 X-Wings in a list.

That would give you the option of a better X-Wing for slightly more points, or go the cheaper route, all the while leaving the existing pilots completely useful.

If the only thing added to the T70 is boost, no changes to dial and such you would seem to be looking at 2 to 4 points. T65 base is 21, so considering we have always considered it over priced by 1 or 2, so a boost would run it up2 or 3 points. Again assuming no other changes?

The T70 has a green 3 straight.

I don't know, I feel like this might break Epic.

So can you fly Ani Skywalker and his N1 against Darth Vader and his TIE/Adv?

I don't know, I feel like this might break Epic.

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So can you fly Ani Skywalker and his N1 against Darth Vader and his TIE/Adv?

....from a certain point of view.

I don't know, I feel like this might break Epic.

So can you fly Ani Skywalker and his N1 against Darth Vader and his TIE/Adv?

That's so wizard, Ani!

Three: power creep is real, and the waves system also seems to express the forward movement of time. Wave 1 ships don't always fare well against decimators, dashes, iggies, etc. Hence we're not really talking about long periods of time between production, but the slow incremental improvement of fighter design. Refits, titles, etc also represent the re-tooling of older designs to keep them competetive. Short answer, I think the ships spanning 30 years is fine.

Now the pilots ... well, thats a little more chronologically torturous

Not more than having Rebel vs Rebel and Empire vs Empire.

Three: power creep is real, and the waves system also seems to express the forward movement of time. Wave 1 ships don't always fare well against decimators, dashes, iggies, etc. Hence we're not really talking about long periods of time between production, but the slow incremental improvement of fighter design. Refits, titles, etc also represent the re-tooling of older designs to keep them competetive. Short answer, I think the ships spanning 30 years is fine.

Now the pilots ... well, thats a little more chronologically torturous

Not more than having Rebel vs Rebel and Empire vs Empire.

Empire Vs Empire canonically happened (albeit legends now).

Imperial spiez taking Rebel Ships to do smear warcrimy stuff could happen too.

Here's some info [pretty much]confirming the EPVII X-Wing set due in a couple weeks on Force friday.

The Force Awakens X-Wing

They've got pics but they aren't going to spoil it. These guys are legit

If the only thing added to the T70 is boost, no changes to dial and such you would seem to be looking at 2 to 4 points. T65 base is 21, so considering we have always considered it over priced by 1 or 2, so a boost would run it up2 or 3 points. Again assuming no other changes?

It has a different dial. At least a 3 green straight.

Yes I think there will be Episode 7 ships and OT ships in the same game...

All this talk of hypothetical "X-wing 2.0" sounds very stupid in my opinion. Your going to shelve 6 years worth of ships, upgrades, and fixes for a whole new system? I think not.

Some people say that the damage deck is "old" outdated, they get two many dual crits... when's the last time you shuffled?

People say that turreted ships are OP, and can't be stopped. (Okay turrets are powerful, but if you fly right you still have a chance at winning.(also competitively, there is a meta, just like there is in all competitive games. That doesn't mean your 4-X-wing list is an instant loss, because this game does revolve around dice after all. )

The time gap is also very small, as indicated in above postings.

Another good reason "X-wing 2.0" isn't happening is wave 8. Why would Fantasy flight continue to make ships for the empire, rebellion, and scum and villiany if a new system was released where those faction's no longer exist?

Also Fantasy Flight is not GW. Look at how Age of sillymars is doing. Changing the fundamentals of a game, and getting rid of units just because they are older would be a bad move. I would rather see a Jar Jar pilot card for the N-1 starfighter than see all of the OT ships get axed because some people think the game is broken...

Most People are excited for episode 7. I think over time, the OT ships will lose some of their current flavor within the community. However I don't think that the OT ships will ever truly die off from this game system, and for FFG to make a new edition where the old system is incompatible would be completely wrong, as well as cheating everyone that bought into the game, including the new raider and wave 7.

Three: power creep is real, and the waves system also seems to express the forward movement of time. Wave 1 ships don't always fare well against decimators, dashes, iggies, etc. Hence we're not really talking about long periods of time between production, but the slow incremental improvement of fighter design. Refits, titles, etc also represent the re-tooling of older designs to keep them competetive. Short answer, I think the ships spanning 30 years is fine.

Now the pilots ... well, thats a little more chronologically torturous

Not more than having Rebel vs Rebel and Empire vs Empire.

Empire Vs Empire canonically happened (albeit legends now).

Imperial spiez taking Rebel Ships to do smear warcrimy stuff could happen too.

Yeah but I meant, like Luke Skywalker vs Luke Skywalker.

if, in the hypothetical case that FFG releases these hypothetical ships from this hypothetical Episode VII, FFG goes ahead and greenlights ships from a future era, we can expect different ships.

as has been pointed out, this isn't new. The E-wing is supposedly a marked advancement over the X (and in the case of the named pilots, it is), but the **** thing costs an arm and a leg to the point where the generics are even less viable than the rookie

so, hypothetically, we could expect a hypothetical Episode VII X-wing to be very similar to the E-wing in dial & action bar, with some slight hypothetical changes of course. Hopefully, the pricing of this hypothetical ship won't be so excessive (ala E-wing generics).

Even more hopefully, said hypothetical ship comes with upgrades that make the X-wing we know and love more viable. But in that hypothetical case, it won't be an astromech because the Pele Droid from the trailer and ye ole Astromech will never ever fit in the same socket.

Anyway, is not an example of powercreep, since every wave 1 ship is still in use (with "refit" for the advance, certainly, but the alternative would be to release the Advance/V1 as a strict replacement; that would be powercreep) (the Y-wing does not have a refit, BTL-A4 sacrifices an advantage to grant another; now we have an awesome new SWT to be along with it)

Here's some info [pretty much]confirming the EPVII X-Wing set due in a couple weeks on Force friday.

The Force Awakens X-Wing

They've got pics but they aren't going to spoil it. These guys are legit

the forums were overrun earlier with the leaked pictures but they were shut down and self-moderated out to keep FFG out of trouble

All this talk of hypothetical "X-wing 2.0" sounds very stupid in my opinion. Your going to shelve 6 years worth of ships, upgrades, and fixes for a whole new system? I think not.

Honestly, I think all the 2.0 talk comes from GW related trauma.

Actually the F15 basic frame is almost 40 years old. 1976 to 2015 is 39.

that would be the "A/B" models and they are all gone. Now.. the oldest C models are 79 series which are still 36 years old!! but only in guard service.. I think the newest F-15Cs are "84" models... the Es are slightly newer..

It has a different dial. At least a 3 green straight.

Which means a X-Wing T70 dial I would guess. I wonder if any sort of upgrade would allow existing X-Wing pilots to use the dial. If it's a title then it seems logical that you're basically changing a T65 into a T70.

One thing I have faith in though, is that FFG has so far not really screwed anything up and has on occasion really surprised us with how well they pulled something off. So I have no fear of any sort of new X-Wing or Tie Fighter being a out and out replacement of the existing ones.

Three: power creep is real, and the waves system also seems to express the forward movement of time. Wave 1 ships don't always fare well against decimators, dashes, iggies, etc. Hence we're not really talking about long periods of time between production, but the slow incremental improvement of fighter design. Refits, titles, etc also represent the re-tooling of older designs to keep them competetive. Short answer, I think the ships spanning 30 years is fine.

Now the pilots ... well, thats a little more chronologically torturous

Not more than having Rebel vs Rebel and Empire vs Empire.

Empire Vs Empire canonically happened (albeit legends now).

Imperial spiez taking Rebel Ships to do smear warcrimy stuff could happen too.

Yeah but I meant, like Luke Skywalker vs Luke Skywalker.

The best thing GW ever did was include this little blurb about how in a huge galaxy chances are there is an individual with similar abilities/equipment. Ergo my "Crimson Fists Lysander" is Captain Domingo Trejo of the Crimson fists. my Darth Vader is Colonel Zechs Daryuz, 128th/1st "Black Omega" Squadron.

My friend with a huge boner for TIE Interceptors has Soontir Fel as "Voidkiller" From 128/2nd "Eclipse" Squadron. Voidkiller has a name, and a complete set of D20 stats.

Biggs could be your "Lt. Leeroy Jenkins" From Phallus squadron.